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Postby Tubarney on Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:18 pm

make it 9 straight loses.. and still with 3 western road games ahead.
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Postby Nel on Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:14 pm

Maybe Mcgrady is waiting for Doc Rivers to be fired or he's waiting for a trade.
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Postby paul_pierce_the_truth on Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:46 pm

sphinx wrote:Maybe Mcgrady is waiting for Doc Rivers to be fired or he's waiting for a trade.


Waiting to do what?
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Postby Old School Fool on Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:13 pm

There is an NBA In The Zone 2004? :lol: T-Mac must be ZONED OUT......Really man... :lol:
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Postby Matt on Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:26 pm

if T-mac wants to quit then let him............what i see is Magic becoming a lottery team and T-Mac bolting
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Postby bballer22 on Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:04 pm

this is what happens when u geta team to urself, T-mac left toronto so that he could have a team to himself or share with Hill who is unselfish. Sonner or later the young guys would realize like T-mac did that u cant win alone!
Kobe...hello!!! Kobe also said he wanted his own team,
AI wanted players that would let his shoot, now he's beging to get another scorer! u need more then one to win. especialy now every tema has at least 2 players who are capable to take over the game, so far it seems as though the Big trade for M.Miller was not woth it, not yet, while Miller is putting a show on in Men Gooden is inconsistant the Gordan is injured, maybe West knew what he was doing!?
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Postby EGarrett on Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:40 am

stack42 wrote:if T-mac wants to quit then let him............what i see is Magic becoming a lottery team and T-Mac bolting


They'd have to be crazy to let arguably the best player in the league just walk. At least trade him to Dallas (with Grant if they can) for Michael Finley and Antoine Walker.

They should get an All-Star or two in return for him.

this is what happens when u geta team to urself, T-mac left toronto so that he could have a team to himself or share with Hill who is unselfish. Sonner or later the young guys would realize like T-mac did that u cant win alone!
Kobe...hello!!! Kobe also said he wanted his own team,


Good point. That's always the problem with these players isn't it. They shoot too much and say they want their own team...then they get it and they start complaining that they don't have any help while taking 30 shots a game.

There is an NBA In The Zone 2004? T-Mac must be ZONED OUT......Really man...


Yup :wink: ...It's one-on-five with Tracy McGrady against all the other teams...and the paint is surrounded by a special forcefield.
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Postby paul_pierce_the_truth on Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:00 am

They'd have to be crazy to let arguably the best player in the league just walk. At least trade him to Dallas (with Grant if they can) for Michael Finley and Antoine Walker.


I had mentioned a trade like this before, which would be the same trade except not Antoine Walker, but Antawn Jamison, I think even if McGrady is involved, it would not include the Point Forward of Don Nelson's dreams.

Players can just walk away EGarrett, if a team has the cap space, say Portland in 2005/06 when McGrady has a player option on his contract, then they could just sign him and that's it.

Now if Orlando agrees to let McGrady take his option year and trade him, that's something else, but he will be a free agent in 2 years. Which by then Grant Hill could be back and they could have found a winning coach.

It's all a lot of talk, I believe Doc Rivers is the problem, blowing a three to one advantage against Detroit last season in the playoffs should have been his undoing.

How far will the Orlando owners allow John Gabriel and Doc Rivers let their team fall? 1-20? Some say Doc Rivers is a great coach without players and the GM should be fired for bringing in the players that he has.

Take a look at this page and tell me how Golden State has put together 4 wins:

http://www.nba.com/warriors/stats/index.html

Injuries have murdered this team:
Evan Eschmeyer* missed the entire season
Popeye Jones* missed the entire season
Troy Murphy* missed the entire season
Jason Richardson missed 4 games
Nick Van Exel missed 3 games
Mickael Pietrus missed 7 games
Adonal Foyle missed 7 games
Avery Johnson missed 3 games

You go with what you have been dealt each night, do you best coaching job and live with it.

Now maybe Doc Rivers has done this, maybe he hasn't, but he must live with the fact that he does have Mr. World Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue, Drew Gooden and Shammond Williams among other young players.

If you saw line-ups like these, who do you believe should win more games?

G-Lue
G-McGrady
F-Gooden
F-Howard
C-Hunter

or

G-Speedy (some nights you may have Van Exel)
G-Richardson (but probably not Richardson as well)
F-Dunleavy
F-Cliff Robinson
C-Dampier

or

G-Van Exel
G-Cheaney
F-Dunleavy
F-Clifford
C-Dampier

I really believe Doc Rivers doesn't know how to motivate his team, nor does he have an answer for getting everyone else involved, he is sort of like Doug Collins in Chicago, but much worse, because his supporting cast is not as good, and Tracy McGrady is no Michael Jordan.
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Postby EGarrett on Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:23 am

How does what I said in any way imply that I don't understand free agency? Teams commonly trade disgruntled players before they become free agents so they can get some compensation for their departure. If McGrady is that angry at mid-season of his contract year Orlando should do the same.
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Postby paul_pierce_the_truth on Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:47 am

EGarrett wrote:How does what I said in any way imply that I don't understand free agency? Teams commonly trade disgruntled players before they become free agents so they can get some compensation for their departure. If McGrady is that angry at mid-season of his contract year Orlando should do the same.


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