Sat May 31, 2008 12:12 am
The X wrote:It seems a strange decision to me, bringing back the coach they fired so many years ago.
Sat May 31, 2008 2:38 am
Sat May 31, 2008 2:54 pm
Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:17 am
Matthew wrote: I wonder if they offered Avery Johnson the job and he turned it down. It's just a thought. I think Collins would be a great fit in Chicago because he is almost the complete opposite of Skiles (who was not successful despite the talent at the Bulls). One other side note is Collins came to Washington when they had the number 1 pick and things didn't work out too well with Kwame. Now I'm aware that not even Phil Jackson could get this guy to be a consistent performer, but it will be worth keeping an eye on.
I think I read somewhere that Avery wasn't interested with coaching the Bulls before the lottery. When the Bulls landed number 1, Avery was interested. If that was the case then they're better off without him.
I know it's his own prerogative to choose a situation that's advantageous for him but I don't think a coach joining a team just because the team has a better chance of winning because of the number 1 pick is the mentality the Bulls would have in their future coach.
It may look like Avery is only in for the easy ride if it comes to winning. A coach must want to coach the team and accept the responsibility of developing that team, with or without a number 1 pick.
Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:04 am
JT_57 (alpha version) wrote:It may look like Avery is only in for the easy ride if it comes to winning.
Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:37 am
Actually Collins and Skiles are similar in many ways. Both are micro managers, maniacal, and they have a history of their players tuning them out in a few years. However, Collins doesn’t have that label of being a big time hard ass.
Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:52 pm
JT_57 (alpha version) wrote:JT_57 (alpha version) wrote:It may look like Avery is only in for the easy ride if it comes to winning.
That's the main point of my post agordy.
What if the team continues its losing ways for a couple of seasons despite the number 1 pick playing for them, there's a big possiblity that Avery will tune out his players and the players tuning out against him, similar to Skiles.
The Mavs held a players only practice, I don't know if it's true but if it is, that pretty much tells something about Avery Johnson's potential relationship with the Bulls players if he is the coach.
I think there’s this misnomer that the Bulls are one of the“younger” teams. Most of their rotation players- Hinrich, Deng, Gordon, Gooden, Hughes, Nocioni have at least 4yrs of NBA experience under their belt.But with alot of younger players, being a hard arse of a coach can backfire very quickly. That's why I think Collins would be a good fit in Chicago.
Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:09 pm
I think there’s this misnomer that the Bulls are one of the“younger” teams. Most of their rotation players- Hinrich, Deng, Gordon, Gooden, Hughes, Nocioni have at least 4yrs of NBA experience under their belt.
Oh believe me that Collins is a hard-ass, he just isn’t perceived on the same level as Skiles is (which is another argument in itself).
Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:57 pm
air gordon wrote:Collins is a screamer, he wants to win every possession. i remember in Sam Smith’s The Jordan Rules there was a story about how during a game Collins was sweating so much through his suit that Jordan had to tell Collins to calm down himself during a timeout lol.
Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:09 am
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:11 am
Modifly wrote:So they finally found a coach.. damn that took them long
Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:32 am
kinokong wrote:Matthew wrote:I'd be surprised if either Deng or Gordon are back (let alone both, but I think if one will return it will be Gordon), and they are looking to move Hinrich right? [\quote]
deng will probably be back.... giving up on him rite now would be paxson admitting he probably screwed up not giving him up for kobe
Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:39 am
Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:19 am
Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:35 am
air gordon wrote:I wonder what the hold up is- the Bulls should just go after Flip Saunders
Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:37 am
shadowgrin wrote:air gordon wrote:I wonder what the hold up is- the Bulls should just go after Flip Saunders
Maybe that's the hold up. They delay going for Collins because they maybe thinking about Saunders.
Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 am
Jeffx wrote:shadowgrin wrote:air gordon wrote:I wonder what the hold up is- the Bulls should just go after Flip Saunders
Maybe that's the hold up. They delay going for Collins because they maybe thinking about Saunders.
Hey, WFAN(660 AM) just announced Collins withdrew his name from the Bulls job. WTF?
Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:54 pm
Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:17 pm
I believe there are going to be some changes made but regardless who is moved/stayed, the team should make the playoffs and possibly be competing for the central division title. That’s hardly rebuilding
What is your definition of rebuilding and why would you be surprised if Gordon/Deng are back? The Bulls can match any offer they get and after the seasons they both had, no team should offer either player 5yr/50mil (which Pax offered before start of this season).
Hughes and Gooden may be viewed as necessary “evils” in the trade but Gooden is easily the team’s best post player and should be playing a lot of minutes whether it be at PF or C.
The backcourt will be crowded but Hughes should be a rotation player since he and Gordon are the only perimeter players that can create shots for themselves.
I’m interested to hear exactly where you draw the line between being intense/dedicated/etc and being a hard ass. Personally i think it's all the same. almost all the coaches in the nba are hard asses, especially the successful ones
Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:56 am
Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:04 am
air gordon wrote:I’m interested to hear what distinguishes an intense coach from being a hardass
Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:28 am
That’s a rather broad view of rebuilding. I did think you were suggesting the team was going to get young after the draft so I couldn’t imagine the team being competitive. (do you think the Bulls 1999 were rebuilding too? Wink )
Using the Larry Hughes argument, yes, anything can happen. Consider though that Hughes at the time was coming off a career year, a member of the all defensive team, the Wiz made it past the 1st round. His value was at a all time high. Gordon and Deng, however, regressed from last year and their team didn’t even make the playoffs. A splurge on Gor-Deng is unlikely to happen
I’m not sure of all the teams with the free cap space this offseason (perhaps we can over them) though I do know Memphis is one team that has money to throw around. You can strike them off the list with Gay, Miller, Conley, JC Navarro, and others already aboard
Is Gooden part of the Bulls long term plans? Unlikely but we’re not even debating that (unless you want to lol) or maybe you just want to add more comments about him. Not sure
If I had a choice between the Bulls not even being able to get off a shot before the shot clock expiring vs Hughes forcing a bad shot, with the shot clock expiring, I would take the latter. So many times the Bulls would have shot clock violations because they couldn’t get a shot off. Also it was easy for defenses to key on Gordon since he was the only one on the court that could create a shot for himself. That’s not cool!
So exactly what are Sloan and SVG doing differently? I’m interested to hear what distinguishes an intense coach from being a hardass
In Skiles' case, winning.