KG Trade a "Done Deal"

[BOSS]

Why are you guys counting out Trenton Hassell as not starting ?
He started basically the entire year for the Wolves for the last few years.
His defensive presence is what keeping him from starting.
Corey Brewer may be an upgrade to Hassell but not as of now.
Brewer shouldn't start now but maybe he can earn the nod after All-Star Weekend.

And I see Juwan Howard as being a mentor to Gomes and Smith which would mean his minutes would decrease and probably be behind the depth chart behind them two.

[maes]

Not in this situation. If the Wolves don't have cash left to surround him with anyone, what's the point? They'll be mediocre.

So why not be mediocre with lesser superstar guys and save some money at the same time?

Because you won't generate as many ticket sales or fan interest. Minnesota will not sell the same # of tickets losing KG, so they'll lose money either way.

The Seattle Sonics did a good job of saving money for many years, and look where they're at. The organization is completely dismantled and the owner and Seattle mayor have basically called off their last meeting before even starting it. The entire Seattle Sonics as the NBA knew it is basically gone except for a few scouts & Luke Ridnour.

[Jackal]

But KG wants to win, as an organisation you've got to respect that, no?

They saved money and sent him to a place where he actually has a chance.

[Sauru]

they did the right thing by trading kg, they were going no where with him. however there is another point of view, since kg landed in boston ticket sales have gone through the roof and his jersey is already in high demand(i am one of them waiting). on top of all that the celts are back on tv more which is a very good thing and the chance to make the playoffs and go deep in said playoffs will only generate even more money. i honestly see boston getting every penny worth out of kg and whatever they are paying him they will get back.

he says he would keep garnett for 12 mil a year, well who wouldnt? in hind sight people try to say things to make the other party look bad. you will see the wolves saying garnett was a money hungry whore(kinda is) who crippled the team with his salary. then you get the celtics who take on his salary and those of pierce and allen and they will get it back. the wolves could have built a better team around kg, they just made all the wrong moves. this was thier only really good move as they got alot for him. also i see jefferson getting a near max or leaving anyway so they will be paying someone or have shit to show for kg.

[cyanide]

Is Riot in the army right now or something? Not hearing from him this long is really shocking.

[Jackal]

I told you he killed himself. Let the man R.I.P.

[Sauru]

yeah let riot be, its not easy finding an apartment in boston, trust me.

[Riot]

I am sorry for not responding quick enough. The past few days have been a whirl since that bridge collapsed right here. Thank god nobody I know was on there when it happened, although I was literally about 10 minutes away from it when it happened. I wasn't heading that way, though.

Anyway...Garnett going to Boston has me absolutely depressed. The reports coming out now that he wanted to stay and that him and McHale weren't getting along make it tougher. I'm still a strong Timberwolves fan but you can bet your ass I'll be getting NBA League Pass this year and I'll be at the game where Garnett returns home. I'm still in shock that it happened to be honest.

I wish im the best of luck in Boston. I hope he can win the championship he so rightfully deserves. If there is one person in this league that deserves to win a championship it is him. I'll be rooting for him and the Boston Celtics next year for that banner #17.

That's all I really have right now. I'll miss ya Ticket.

[Andrew]

I believe Minny must waive Gomes for that to happen...and that might invite League inspection, since it might be a method to circumvent the salary rules regarding trades.

I don't think there'd be that much of an investigation, it's not unprecedented. Back in the mid 90s the Knicks traded Herb Williams at least two or three times only to re-sign him after he was almost immediately released by his new team.

Glad to hear you're OK, Riot.

[skip2mahbaby]

On a sad note, I just found out that Allan Ray has been released by the Celts. So much for expecting to hear an "Allan Ray Allen" with the assist and the score.

I always thought it'd be funny just to see those two in the same league and maybe even same game, but I never thought I'd see them on the same team, and I guess I was right. Though I suppose they were technically on the same team for a several days.

Yeah, i think it was weird to have Allan Ray, Tony Allen and Ray Allen in a team...Too many Alle(a)n's..

[benji]

I always thought it'd be funny just to see those two in the same league and maybe even same game, but I never thought I'd see them on the same team, and I guess I was right. Though I suppose they were technically on the same team for a several days.

Well, the league could not allow it. When they play they cancel each other out. But if they were in the same location at the same time, it would destroy the fabric of time and space. Like a matter/anti-matter reaction. That's why the Celtics had to release him before Ray Allen came into town.

I believe Minny must waive Gomes for that to happen...and that might invite League inspection, since it might be a method to circumvent the salary rules regarding trades.

I don't think there'd be that much of an investigation, it's not unprecedented. Back in the mid 90s the Knicks traded Herb Williams at least two or three times only to re-sign him after he was almost immediately released by his new team.

It is not against league rules. The Pistons traded Lindsey Hunter to the Celtics in the Rasheed Wallace trade, along with an agreement that the Celtics would waive him upon his arrival.

If the player clears waivers, there's nothing preventing the original team from signing him back. (After the 20 day wait period is over...this was added in the recent CBA I believe after the Pistons pulled the Hunter move.)

[Patr1ck]

Didn't Miami do something similar a couple years ago with Antoine Walker?

[---]

Why are you guys counting out Trenton Hassell as not starting ?
He started basically the entire year for the Wolves for the last few years.
His defensive presence is what keeping him from starting.
Corey Brewer may be an upgrade to Hassell but not as of now.
Brewer shouldn't start now but maybe he can earn the nod after All-Star Weekend.

And I see Juwan Howard as being a mentor to Gomes and Smith which would mean his minutes would decrease and probably be behind the depth chart behind them two.

I disagree. I think Corey Brewer right now is alot better than Trenton Hassell. Defensively, they are around the same level. The only difference is Corey actually has an offensive game. Hassell may be able to gaurd the opposing teams best perimeter player, but he can't score at the other end. If you got a guy that can play just as solid defence but is a threat to score, why wouldn't you start him?

I understand the whole "bring rookies along slowly" thing, but the guy is as ready as anyone. He's coming off back to back national championships, the latest one with him earning MOP.

In my opinion, Corey Brewer right now is a millionaires Trenton Hassell. Don't get me wrong, I actually like Trenton, but theres no point in bringing the guy that offers more off the bench.

[Sauru]

i gotta disagree here with you on one point. i dont agree with bringing rookies along slowly. sometimes its best to just throw them in thier and let them get thier experience. the wolves aint winning shit this year so why not give the most minutes to the guys you see as the future of the team? i start brewer if i am minn. only way he dont start for me is if during preseason green actually shows people he might turn into something special, which i highly doubt will happen.

[maes]

But KG wants to win, as an organisation you've got to respect that, no?

Yes but the organization's first responsibilities is to their fans. Ask any Minny fan if they're happy w/ this trade. And ultimately if the fans aren't, happy, the organization loses more money and may be sold.

And was KG really the problem why they couldn't win for all those years? I'd say the problem was the GM, who i still see running the show. In Chicago, Reinsdorf broke a very long relationship that yielded 6 rings because his GM was basically broken, and got rid of the real problem. Bulls' turnaround w/ Paxson is astouding.

They got rid of the wrong person, IMO.

It is not against league rules. The Pistons traded Lindsey Hunter to the Celtics in the Rasheed Wallace trade, along with an agreement that the Celtics would waive him upon his arrival.

If that's the case why even have the salary rules at all? What's the point of having rules if everyone can ignore them?

New York trades Marbury + Nate Robinson to LA for Elton Brand, LA agrees to waive Marbury, Marbury is back w/ NY. New York adds $15M roster despite being massively over cap and over tax.

I remember when Chicago traded Curry to New York, there was an expectation that Antonio Davis would be waived, who was needed to balance contracts, and there was rumors of the league looking into it but Zeke ended up keeping him instead.

[benji]

But the rules aren't ignored. In your hypothetical deal, the Clippers would be agreeing to keep Marbury's $42 million contract (over the next two years) on the books, counting against their cap, while not having the player. So they would be trading one of the best players in the league for Nate Robinson and the right to give Stephon Marbury $40 million to play for the Knicks. Marbury would also have to sign for a minimum contract, or the MLE/LLE if the Knicks still had them. He would most definately clear waivers, as nobody would want to assume his contract.

In the instances we're talking about all the players have had minimum or expiring contracts, and the team recieving them did not want them. The Celtics didn't want Hunter, the Hawks didn't want Payton and we're assuming the Wolves don't have room for Gomes. So they were included to balance the salaries, and the teams would then waive the player. The original team, who did want these players, but would let them go if needed, waited out the waiver period, (whatever it's length at the time) and then brought the player back.

If the Clippers and Knicks made the deal you proposed they wouldn't investigate violation of the CBA as there wasn't one. They would probably investigate if there was collusion between the teams, if say the Knicks organization gave $100 million through backchannels to Donald Sterling to get the Clips to give up a superstar for Nate Robinson and a salary anchor. They would probably try to change the rules at the next CBA as well.