2007 NBA Draft...the best ever?

[J@3]

So you believe Oden will be better than Yao because you've seen him play in an all-star game and read things some other people have said about one of the most hyped big men in years? Oh no wait, you watched highlights aswell

"You cant say Oden will be better than Yao if you havnt seen him play" but actually i can

You can literally say it, but you can hardly expect anyone to take it seriously. You seem to just be regurgitating his profile from nbadraft.net.

Only time will tell how good he'll be, but to say he'll be better than arguably the #1 C in the NBA right now despite never having played a single college or NBA game yet seems a bit silly.

[JaoSming]

Only time will tell how good he'll be, but to say he'll be better than arguably the #1 C in the NBA right now despite never having played a single college or NBA game yet seems a bit silly.

Very very silly, Lebron will be the last player who will meet hype coming out of high school. I dont think I can say it any better than that.

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well im guessing you have had very limited coverage as well, so how can you say he wont be? nbadraft.net has some good stuff on him, and yea i said everything they said. it wasnt like i was reading directly off the page and writing it down in my own words, what i said was how i describe the guy. Yao should be alot better than he is simply because of his size, he averages like 1.6 blocks per, less than 6'7 Gerald Wallace, who has far less chances to block shots since he mostly defends the perimeter - and very well at that. As for Oden, everything points to him being the next superstar big man.

So you believe Oden will be better than Yao because you've seen him play in an all-star game and read things some other people have said about one of the most hyped big men in years? Oh no wait, you watched highlights aswell Laughing

No need to be sarcastic, i did explain i had seen very little footage of him...
and u will be seeing alot of highlights of him soon enough


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Very very silly, Lebron will be the last player who will meet hype coming out of high school. I dont think I can say it any better than that

If u took the time to read my post, you may have noticed i said he wont make a big impact until as late as his 4th year

[Jugs]

Kwame Brown was meant to be a big thing coming out of high school. Greg Oden = Kwame Brown. THERE I'VE SAID IT OH MY GOD FLAME ME!!@!#@>#!@>#!@>#>!~@>#!@>#!>@#>!@>

[---]

kwame was at no where near the level of athleticism/skill/potential that Oden is... i sure hope your joking

[Jugs]

The obviously retarded exclamatory symbols weren't enough?

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yea, i was just making sure of it. it wouldnt suprise me with some of the retards on the internet

[J@3]

well im guessing you have had very limited coverage as well, so how can you say he wont be?

I have this thing I like to call "the internet" and I use it to obtain possibly illegal copies of games involving sports people I wouldn't otherwise get to see, like Greg Oden for instance.

it wasnt like i was reading directly off the page and writing it down in my own words, what i said was how i describe the guy

I totally buy it.

Yao should be alot better than he is simply because of his size, he averages like 1.6 blocks per, less than 6'7 Gerald Wallace, who has far less chances to block shots since he mostly defends the perimeter - and very well at that.

That's a stupid argument. No one should be better than someone else purely because of their size, most of the tallest players in the NBA have been average to bad. Gerald Wallace is also one of the best defensive players in the entire league, and one of the few players to ever average 2bpg and 2spg in a season.

I just can't understand how you're so convinced you're right despite seeing him play once and reading a bunch of scouting reports. Everyone knows he's a good player and potentially a great one, but you talk as if you have some indepth knowledge of his game which is something you can't get from an all-star game, some scouting reports and a few highlights.

[Jugs]

Holy Fuck Jae, the internet is on computers now?

College games are more available on da net these days so I'll probably have to get some Odenage.

[Fenix]

kwame was at no where near the level of athleticism/skill/potential that Oden is... i sure hope your joking

That's not true. Oden is not more athletic than a HS Kwame was, but he does have two inches on him and more length. Keep in mind that Kwame was supposed to be a bigger version of Chris Webber.

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hey, i admit, i may be wrong. if Oden does turn out like Kwame, then yeah, I was completely wrong. I have no indepth knowledge or insight into his game. I have never seen him play a full high school game. Ive read a hell of alot of reports. Size is a huge factor in shot blocking, and also gives a player an advantage on offense, especially a player in the post. Oden might not turn out how "im so convinced" he is going to be, and i will gladly take back what i said and accept the fact that i made a wrong judgement and hopped on the Greg Oden bandwagon too early. Until then, i wont.

by the way, how many full games of Greg Oden do you have?

[J@3]

I had 4-6, they're long gone now but I got them from M2 and torrents.

[---]

nice, i wish the internet wasnt so damn limited here. i might go after some of them, thanks for the info. can i ask what the limit on your broadband is?

[J@3]

Yeah it's 10gb per month unfortunately, the games ranged between 700mb-1gb. There's plenty around, his team were televised on ESPN a fair bit it seems.

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yea, i have 5gb monthly and i must admit Telstra Clear are real assholes, were paying $40 for a 5gb limit, then i see their pricing plans and see that 10gb is something like $38.99... i tried to get on the phone to them to ask them bout it but they (as always) just sent me round and round in circles untill i eventually shut up. also, whats M2?

[Indy]

Flite-23 you can't be older then 14 or 15 right? To list some of the guys you did for 96 and not even list a guy like Sam Perkins is crazy.

Guys in the 84 draft that were better then Antoine Walker who you didn't list: Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, Kevin Willis, Alvin Robertson.

Other solid players from 84:
Terrance Stansbury, Sam Bowie, Leon Wood, Vern Fleming and Bernard Thompson.

On the 2007 draft:

Greg Oden is the real deal, and he will be better then Yao. However, if he does come out after his freshman year it will take him 3 years. If he stays 2 years in school, it will happen right away. Oden is a David Robinson clone with more athleticism. Greg will be a 19/14 guy in this league and he'll win multiple DPOY awards.

[spreeul8r]

I liked the 92 draft.

You had:

1. Shaq
2. Zo
4. Jim Jackson
5. Laphonso Ellis
6. Gugliotta
9. Weatherspoon
11. Horry
17. Doug Christie
19. Don Mclean
24. Sprewell

Anyone that remembers guys like Jackson, Ellis, Weatherspoon, Googs, Mclean, Christie and Spree in their primes knows they were Allstar calibre. Shaq and Zo speak for themselves. 2 great centers of the modern era.

Not the best draft. Just my favourite.

In terms of the best, its hard to go past 84.

[J@3]

he'll win multiple DPOY awards.

I'm guessing the MVP award that season will go to Danny Granger, or maybe Jamal Tinsley since he's the best PG alive if fit

[Metsis]

Oden won't be better than Yao, if Yao can maintain the form he had in the 2nd half of last season there's no way he can be touched. Averaging like 23/12 is just crazy for a C in this day and age.

Yao Ming... Oh... my... god... The guy will explode this season! Trust me on this one. Yao is center to have this season. The crazy last season latter half outburst was something that's been in him for ages. Since before coming to the NBA! And that is a fact! The last half out break of the Yao virus was the first glimpse of the real Yao Ming.

You are probably questioning my reasoning just about now... Don't you guys know that he's been playing hurt for his entire career in the NBA? He was hurt before he was drafted and has been hurt since. Only last winter he had an operation on his (can't remember which) foot to repair the injury that has plagued him for years, but he's never basically had the chance to get it fixed due to international duties. Now he is finally healthy, for the first time in his NBA career and he starts putting 30/15 on the stat line. Yao will become the dominant NBA center this season... He will be the best, his game will not be like Shaq, but more like the Dream's... Yao isn't about all power, but a more finesse center.

I expect Yao to finally show us what he's got now that he has his mobility back to the level it was back in Shanghai... I expect Yao's numbers to go up as everyone on that team will realize that they are going to win games, by simply giving the big man the ball... I also expect T-Mac to play a career year too, if he stays healthy that is, as Yao will command more and more respect on the offensive end it will leave T-Mac more space to do his thing...

If the dynamic duo can stay healthy, Houston is going to play-offs and nothing will stop them... If...

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Flite-23 you can't be older then 14 or 15 right? To list some of the guys you did for 96 and not even list a guy like Sam Perkins is crazy.

Guys in the 84 draft that were better then Antoine Walker who you didn't list: Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, Kevin Willis, Alvin Robertson.

Other solid players from 84:
Terrance Stansbury, Sam Bowie, Leon Wood, Vern Fleming and Bernard Thompson.

Yea im only 16 But theres no way i would of mentioned guys Perkins, Robertson and maybe even Otis Thorpe, yet alone Terence Stansbury, Bowie, Wood, Fleming and Thompson. When I said Antoine Walker and Shareef Abdur-Rahim, remember that i only said early in their careers, dont forget fat ass averaged 22 and 10 in his second season, and stayed close to the 20 and 10 mark for years after that. as for Reef, he was a 20 and 10 guy early in his career and was very very solid for years to come, ntil the injuries really slowed him down. I dont think the players i listed were really out of line (bar skipping over old man Willis), especially since Reef and Antoine were only partially mentioned on the list.

[J@3]

Sam Perkins was the man, I wish he still played.

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Jae, i was looking around yesterday and today for any greg oden games but couldnt find a thing. (If im allowed to discuss this) Would u mind giving me a link to a video or where i could find one?

[Amphatoast]

Oden won't be better than Yao, if Yao can maintain the form he had in the 2nd half of last season there's no way he can be touched. Averaging like 23/12 is just crazy for a C in this day and age.

Yao Ming... Oh... my... god... The guy will explode this season! Trust me on this one. Yao is center to have this season. The crazy last season latter half outburst was something that's been in him for ages. Since before coming to the NBA! And that is a fact! The last half out break of the Yao virus was the first glimpse of the real Yao Ming.

You are probably questioning my reasoning just about now... Don't you guys know that he's been playing hurt for his entire career in the NBA? He was hurt before he was drafted and has been hurt since. Only last winter he had an operation on his (can't remember which) foot to repair the injury that has plagued him for years, but he's never basically had the chance to get it fixed due to international duties. Now he is finally healthy, for the first time in his NBA career and he starts putting 30/15 on the stat line. Yao will become the dominant NBA center this season... He will be the best, his game will not be like Shaq, but more like the Dream's... Yao isn't about all power, but a more finesse center.

I expect Yao to finally show us what he's got now that he has his mobility back to the level it was back in Shanghai... I expect Yao's numbers to go up as everyone on that team will realize that they are going to win games, by simply giving the big man the ball... I also expect T-Mac to play a career year too, if he stays healthy that is, as Yao will command more and more respect on the offensive end it will leave T-Mac more space to do his thing...

If the dynamic duo can stay healthy, Houston is going to play-offs and nothing will stop them... If...

time for the yao ming dynasty?

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I hope Yao blows up like u said, because i really wanna see T-Mac win a championship

[Indy]

Sam Perkins was the man, I wish he still played.

He was a big fan favorite in Indy. He could do nothing, just sit on the bench all game, and whenever his name was mentioned the entire crowd would erupt into the "SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH" cheer.

It was funny, at Reggie's retirement ceremony, Perk was there, and when they announced his name everyone does the smooooth cheer, and people thought he was getting booed.