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Wade vs Jordan

Postby -Young Buck- on Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:11 pm

Alot of people are now talking about how much Wade is like MJ. How he took the game in his hands over the last four games and brought the title to Miami. I for one dont see that. Yes Wade gets alot of calls in his favor, the same way Jordan did. Yes he hits big shots in the clutch, the same way Jordan did. Yes he makes spectacular whoop-de-do shots, just like Jordan did. But i dont ever remember Jordan flopping all over the court like Wade has been. I swear Wade must hit the floor 20 times a game, and most of them are unwarranted. He doesnt hit the floor in the same way Iverson hits the floor. Iverson is a warrior, and if he hits the floor its because he actually got HIT. Jordan, i cant even remember him hitting the floor that much, and believe me i have watched most of his games. Wade on the other hand hits the floor and most of them are not even from being hit. You can see from the first time he got to the FT line in tonights game, Terry didnt even touch him yet he goes flying down onto the floor. Im not saying Wade isnt a really good player, but the way he falls to the ground all the time, in the way that he does it, as many times as he does it, well it just makes him look like he needs that extra bit of help from the refs to make him great. If he didnt get to the line in game 5 to score 20 points from the FT line alone, would he have gotten 40+ points? Point is that Wade is a great player, and coming from someone that hated Michael Jordan, Jordan just was way better then Wade. Of course im talking about MJ in his prime, who will hit jumper after jumper after jumper over you, and still knock down the clutch shot as if you are some NBDL hopeful. Wade is only in his 3rd year, but i hope he starts to drain more shots during the game, and not rely on getting all those FT shots, it doesnt make him look too good. Especially in the way that he does it, at least iverson gets hit when he falls to the floor. :roll:
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Postby Fenix on Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:26 pm

Wade has no man defense and a lot less skills than a prime (or pre-prime or past-prime) Jordan had. I don't know why one championship makes Wade comparable to Jordan, or to Kobe for that matter. Kobe was just as spectatular, but more skilled and actually defended somebody in the Lakers three peat era.
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Postby Patr1ck on Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:24 pm

Give Lebron James or Kobe Bryant teammates like Miami has and a coach like Riley = NBA Finals and possible championship. Wade is not comparable to Jordan as of yet. Jordan was quicker and smarter. Fact is, Miami was stacked. Zo and Shaq, on the same team, come on...? Antoine Walker was a major factor in Boston with Paul Pierce, and he came to a team with a lesser role (i.e. Glen Rice, Lakers) than before. Role players like Posey and Haslem added depth. They even had Derek Anderson even though he didn't get much PT. Riley went with 7 main guys getting most of the minutes plus an 8th, Mourning. Wade, was a good leader. I expect more championships from him in his career, if he can start to land on his feet. What's he going to do when Shaq is gone? Take over like Kobe??
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Postby Null17 on Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:37 pm

This is one of the biggest reasons why I didn't want Miami to win...
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Postby Matt on Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:42 pm

Wade isn't close to Jordan right now.....but, i think he's shown that he's the best midrange shooter in the game.
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Postby Unrestrict3D on Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:49 pm

If Dwyane can improve his man-to-man defense and stretch his range out past the three-point line then we can talk about Wade vs. Jordan, but only when that happens, if that happens. He definately has the will to win and that killer instinct about him when the game is on the line. I wouldn't compare Jordan and Wade just yet, though.
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Postby Matt on Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:11 pm

turnovers need to cut down too.
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Postby Unrestrict3D on Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:22 pm

Believe it or not Dwyane averages right around one more turnover per game than Jordan, not bad. Wade also averages one more assist than Jordan did for his career. Both players average .80 blocks per game but Jordan's stealing average was a tad bit higher for his career compared to Wade. And, of course, the points per game goes to MJ easily. Michael was an amazing player, there's no denying that.
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Postby Cloudy on Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:04 pm

If people say Kobe's skill isn't close to Jordan, then Wade is far... Very far
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Postby Nel on Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:29 pm

Wade's game is too unorthodox compared to MJ...
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Postby .Dee. on Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:38 pm

Well he's nice but dont go overboard, I agree with PDUB
Even if I was drafted to maimi and the roster was the same
I would get a free win for being on the bench aswell :crazy:
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Postby Sam The Man on Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:52 pm

I dont think u can really compare the two.
Back in the 90's it was much more physical then it is now days.
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Postby Its_asdf on Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:08 pm

The only thing you can compare Wade with Jordan is the fact that he's a perimeter player that can't shoot the three.

Wade is an explosive combo guard and Jordan is just the best swingman to ever play the game.

This is one of the biggest reasons why I didn't want Miami to win...


Yep. I can practically hear the basketball analysts tattering on their keyboards for their new "Wade is the Next MJ" article.

Or maybe thats just the wierd tattering sound I've been hearing out of my washing machine....
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Postby BIG GREEN on Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:26 pm

Wade's game is the closest to jordan we've seen. However, like others have said...if people still can't quite say that kobe is on jordan's level..no way that wade is. I personally believe that kobe is just as good *during the season* as jordan ever was...and wade is just as good *during the finals* as jordan ever was. If either of those guys can add that extension to their games...and lead their respective teams to a championship...then comparisons are just.

I would'nt compare Lebron to jordan either..for the record. His game is nothing like jordan's...weaker on defence..better on sharing and rebounding. I really wish lebron had a different playing number..cause he's gonna make his own mark.
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Postby dada on Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:33 pm

I'll compare Wade to Jordan.

Although I believe his talent is not on the same level, his in game effeciency was just as effective (I won't discuss any defence :lol:). Every time the Miami Heat needed a basket, he either got them that said basket, or got to the free throw line (even if some calls were fishy he still got there and thats what will be in the records). Big game after big game when they needed him the most and Dallas could not match him. He did what he does best. How many times were Dallas on a run in game 6 then he just came down and scored 2 or 3 buckets and cancel out the fans as well as their run?

As far as defence goes, its not even worth mentioning. Jordan made as much game-changing plays on the defensive end as he did on the offensive end. Wade is lacking in that category but it doesnt take anything away from his great series. Congrats to him. (y)
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Postby MiAmI2005HeAt on Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:14 pm

Give me another Championship and ill consider putting him up their.I think nobody can Compare with Jordan.He was just amazing.D-wade can make shots like Jordan he is not jordan.He's DWAYNE WADE.
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Postby John WB on Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:47 pm

WAY too early to even compare them, let alone suggest Wade's on MJ's level.
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Postby Scotty on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:01 am

There is no way wade is a Jordan level, but apparently Shaq declared Wade the best ever after winning the champoinship
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:40 am

Scotty wrote:There is no way wade is a Jordan level, but apparently Shaq declared Wade the best ever after winning the champoinship


Post championship hype. If Mavs had won people would be forcing along the Larry Bird/Dirk Nowitzki comparision.
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Postby hammertime23 on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:55 am

Fenix wrote:Wade has no man defense and a lot less skills than a prime (or pre-prime or past-prime) Jordan had. I don't know why one championship makes Wade comparable to Jordan, or to Kobe for that matter. Kobe was just as spectatular, but more skilled and actually defended somebody in the Lakers three peat era.

Yea, but I don't think Dwyane Wade is in his prime yet and when he is in his prime i think he will be a lot more like Jordan. Dwyane Wade is a better rebounder and close in scoring, if he works on his defense and his dunking :D he could be the next thing or he could be the player that gets compared to later on. I think if he wins a few more championships i think he could go down as one of the top players ever.
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Postby Fenix on Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:22 am

Do you even know what you're talking about? Jordan was a far superior rebounder (Wade is at 5.7 this season, Jordan topped that for 0.5 rpg in his whole career, and times are now much easier for rebounding guards) and in his own league in scoring. Damn, I hate to see Miami win because morons like you will now put Wade onto the piedestal and compare him with MJ for next year or so or at least until Lebron gets his own ring. For the record: Wade is worse than Jordan in every category imaginable. Jordan was unstoppable in every scenario. Give the Bulls a decent big man and Miami doesn't even get past the first round.

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Jordan vs. Wade in FT attempts:
Some of what you're writing is valid and fair. Other teams complained about MJ and we were glad we had him. On the other hand, Wade averaged 16 free throw attempts per game in this Finals. In 1996, already established as the greatest player on earth, Jordan averaged 11.2 FTA/game and in 1997 it was 9.2. He never came close to averaging 16 per game.

Jordan:
Yr........fta/ game (entire playoffs)
1991....8.7
1992....8.6
1993....7.2
1996....10.4
1997....7.8
1998....10.6

Wade's fta/game (entire playoffs)
1996....10.9

SO: This year Wade not only averaged more FTA/game (16.2) for the Finals than MJ ever did in his career (by a longshot), but he averaged more FTA/ game over an entire playoffs than Jordan ever did during the Bulls' championship years.

ALSO: Wade averaged 10.7 FTA/game for the entire 2005-06 SEASON. Here are MJ's regular-season averages during the championship years:
Yr......fta/g
1991..8.2
1992..7.4
1993..7.3
1995..8.0
1996..8.0
1997..7.0
1998..8.8

So while I agree that MJ got star treatment and now Wade is getting star treatment:
(1) Wade is not MJ (at least not yet, and I don't think ever);
(2) even MJ didn't get THIS kind of star treatment, not even at the pinnacle of his career (which Wade had not reached);
(3) Bleah.:wall:
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:56 am

Basically in a league that's just come out of two star-filled decades with the Dream Team and the three-peats and everything and where the '03 draft class is becoming a feared force, everyone's trying to find who the next Jordan or the next Bird or the next Stockton is.

At this point it is impossible to tell how well someone will do. Darko was close to being proclaimed a lost cause and now he's doing a great job down in Orlando. Many factors affect these people. Also, the success of the '03 class is tough to compare because their supporting casts are so varied. Lebron James and Carmelo Anthony basically are the team in Cleveland and Denver, but Dwayne Wade has one of the best teammates out of all of them.
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Postby Riot on Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:19 am

Wade isn't even as good as Kobe Bryant so let's not start these Michael Jordan comparisons, okay?
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Postby Matt on Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:30 am

I'll give credit to Wade, because w/o him, no way is Miami even getting past Detroit. all this chemistry stuff is OVERBLOWN....it was simply a case of Wade doing impossible....Jordan like stuff on offense if you will.

Someone however said that Jordan's TO's and Wade's are comparable....well, the difference is that overall MJ scored more points per turnover.
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Postby Silas on Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:56 am

Howabout whos the next Mikan?
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