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Whats the deal with Ivey?

Postby Laxation on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:26 pm

Royal Ivey starts every game for Atlanta, but doesnt even play 14 minutes a game. What is the point of him starting, when he plays such limited minutes?
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Postby KIG1 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:31 pm

Maybe because he is going to die, and this is his last wish. To start for one of the worst teams in the L.
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Postby J@3 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:32 pm

I guess he's a fairly stable player... nothing flash, just does his job moderately ok. The bench PG's are more shot jacking psychotic types so I suppose they want the stable start to the game with Ivey. That being said, I've seen like 2 Hawks games this year.
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Postby Fitzy on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:37 pm

yeah ive often thought why he starts too
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Postby cklitsie on Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:46 pm

keepnitgangsta1 wrote:Maybe because he is going to die, and this is his last wish. To start for one of the worst teams in the L.
:lol: :lol: kinda misplaced joke though with the whole collier thing
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Postby Nick on Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:37 pm

With his production, you'd wonder why he even plays at all. But he's a good defender, and doesn't turn it over much.
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Postby J@3 on Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:43 pm

Wasn't he your hero/favourite player?
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Postby Laxation on Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:36 pm

Nick wrote:With his production, you'd wonder why he even plays at all. But he's a good defender, and doesn't turn it over much.

If he is good, then why not play him for more minutes? Is he severely unfit or something
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Postby Nick on Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:38 am

He's not good. He has no point guard skills.

@ Jae. I like him, yeah. I like how he sucked in college, and got his nba contract because he works hard on defense. I just like players like that. Wouldn't say he's a hero though. Or favourite player.
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Postby Blasphemy on Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:47 am

Ive always been wondering why he starts and barley scores. He only averages like 3 points a game?

But I hear hes a good defender :?:
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:12 am

I've never cared for that philosophy myself, starting the inferior player and then giving him minimal minutes anyway. Seems to me if you deem another player superior then they should be the ones starting. Any good that Ivey can do starting is surely going to be minimal and quickly negated since he's yanked so early and rides the bench most of the game.
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Postby xfobu1ousx on Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:06 pm

remember.. Ha Seung-Jin used to start for Portland and played like less than 10 minutes if I remember correctly :roll:
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:20 pm

That was only four games out of 24 though, not quite the same as Ivey's 60 of the 67 games he's appeared in thus far.
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Postby Fenix on Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:30 pm

He starts so he can make sure with his D that opposing star PGs don't get into the flow of the offense and then JJ/Tyron Lue take over.
"Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team." (Scottie Pippen, #33)
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Postby Laxation on Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:55 pm

Was that a serious comment or sarcastic?
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:09 pm

VanK wrote:He starts so he can make sure with his D that opposing star PGs don't get into the flow of the offense and then JJ/Tyron Lue take over.


But like I said, that effect is surely minimal or negated since he doesn't play much the rest of the way.
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Postby J@3 on Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:14 pm

Sometimes 14 minutes is all it takes to knock a player off his game, though the Hawks record would indicate it never works. I still think it's a matter of stability.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:22 pm

I suppose. I'm still not a huge fan of the philosophy though, I prefer the idea of putting the best possible lineup out there to start the game. Not necessarily the five best players as there's merits in keeping the bench stable with sixth men and capable reserves but someone who's only good for 14 minutes doesn't really strike me as starter material.
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Postby Fenix on Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:50 pm

Laxation wrote:Was that a serious comment or sarcastic?


Looking at the Hawks' record, both.
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