Ben Wallace is overrated

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:26 pm

He's not as good a on-ball defender as people make him out to be

by **1CenT** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:27 pm

I kinda agree, i see rasheed as much better onball defender

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:28 pm

Yea Rasheeds on ball D > Ben's

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:40 pm

...

this doesnt even warrant an arguement :roll:

by **zmac** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:49 pm

Laxation wrote:...

this doesnt even warrant an arguement

Double eye roll :roll:

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by **Mazzocchi** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:55 pm

I totally agree,
Jerome James>Ben Wallace

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Laxation wrote:...

this doesnt even warrant an arguement

Way to back your boy Ben up

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:04 pm

well like i said, its really not worth arguing since anyone with half a brain knows than he is one of the best, if not the best, defenders in the league.

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:08 pm

LMAO your a pistons fan and you don't even know your facts

I believe he still is a good man-defender but he isn't the absolute best which is what some people make him out to be. Rasheed Wallace is a beter man-defender than Ben Wallace trust me also He is quite possibly the worst offensive player in the NBA today

Ben Wallace has great recovery though and of course we all know is a tremendous shot blocker and has good rotation and rebounding skills.

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:12 pm

you want facts? try 3 of the last 4 DPOTY awards

hell will have long frozen over before i trust you, and dont bring up his offensive capabilities to try and bring him down or support your arguement.

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:15 pm

Wow don't you get it, If you ever see Ben play on a consistent player then Get back to me his on ball D is good but not great as people make it out to be

by **KIG1** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:25 pm

rongotai wrote:Wow don't you get it, If you ever see Ben play on a consistent player then Get back to me his on ball D is good but not great as people make it out to be

I gotta agree a little bit. If Ben Wallace wasn't known as a great defender, but he was at his same skill level, he would have won 0 DPOY's. But, Ben is still a TREMENDOUS defender

by **J@3** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:26 pm

What the..

First you wrote:He's not a good on-ball defender

Then you wrote: his on ball D is good

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:29 pm

LOL I kinda stuffed up there

I meant in the first post He is not great :oops:

by **Colin** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:34 pm

Now is as good a time as ever to mention this...

rongotai, why does your sig say 'dynasty in the valley' and have Amare of the Phoenix Suns? Phoenix is no valley. It's completely flat. The closest thing to a valley in Arizona is the Grand Canyon.

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:43 pm

I've known it as the Valley of the Sun etc

by **benji** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:17 pm

Ben Wallace is not the worst player in the league on offense as long as Michael Ruffin continues to play in the NBA.

That said, he is pretty bad. And as a result of that, slightly overrated.

His man defense is not best at his position (remember it was against Wallace that SAR got 50 a few years back), but is still top ten or top five. If he focused on his man defense he could probably be one of the three best in the league, but he can't. Why? Because he has to focus on the team defense, it's why adding Sheed took the Pistons from a good, but not great defensive team into one of the best ever back in 2004. Then Sheed could focus on taking Duncan, KG, etc. one-on-one, while Ben settled to take on entire opposing teams.

Wallace is "overrated" to an extent because he's useless on offense. He scores 5-6 points worse than an average player, so even though he's taking six points away from teams when he's on the court he's still only breaking even. People talk about Wallace as a franchise player, and some GMs say they'd take him over Tim Duncan. This is foolish, Duncan is easily one of the three best defensive players in the league along with Ben Wallace, but he also scores 20-25 points a game.

Billups has been the Pistons best player the last four years, but Wallace is the one everyone talks about because he's an oddity for a superstar in today's league. However, it is worth noting that in the Pistons system all the pieces are most valuable, they don't win without Billups (see 2003 for example) but they also couldn't win without Ben.

It's hard to explain how he's overrated. It's in the sense in that's he still really really good, but that he's not as good as people tend to make him seem. It's the reverse of McGrady a few years ago where he was underrated because people knew he was good, but they didn't know how great he really was.

I guess one could summarize as saying that Wallace was called underrated by the media for so long, that he's now actually kinda overrated.

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:19 pm

Wow done Benji

you provide alot of good points there

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:31 pm

rongotai wrote:you provide alot of good points there

not really...

benji wrote:That said, he is pretty bad. And as a result of that, slightly overrated.

his offence is by no means overated. Everyone knows he is shit in offence, all he is good for is a nice dunk or putback every now and then.

Wallace is "overrated" to an extent because he's useless on offense. He scores 5-6 points worse than an average player, so even though he's taking six points away from teams when he's on the court he's still only breaking even.

only taking 6points away? youve got to be kidding... the amount of times a player will get worried out of a shot simply because he is standing in the paint is uncanny (probly like 1-3 a game... but still :lol:

) and he doesnt score 5-6 points less than an average player. He scores about 1-2 points less. (He scores around 7-9 a game, average is 9-point-something)

People talk about Wallace as a franchise player, and some GMs say they'd take him over Tim Duncan. This is foolish, Duncan is easily one of the three best defensive players in the league along with Ben Wallace, but he also scores 20-25 points a game.

your right, it is foolish, but since when are we comparing Ben to Duncan? its just completely off the point.

Billups has been the Pistons best player the last four years, but Wallace is the one everyone talks about because he's an oddity for a superstar in today's league.

Ben may not be the best player, but he is the heart and sole of Detroit. Just read the post on here a month or two ago when the question was asked.

It's hard to explain how he's overrated. It's in the sense in that's he still really really good, but that he's not as good as people tend to make him seem.

i dont see how he is overated. From what I hear, it is that he is one of the best defenders in the league, has little to no offence and is the pilon of Detroit. This is all true.

maybe its because in Australia the only way I can hear about the NBA is from forums... no huge media coverage to judge whether or not he is overated, but from what I do read, it seems true.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:41 pm

Ben's actually a Pistons fan and has been for many years.

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:46 pm

Laxation next time you see Detroit play anaylse His on Ball D :wink:

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:46 pm

Andrew wrote:Ben's actually a Pistons fan and has been for many years.

my bad... from the last few posts ive read of his it seemed like he really had it in for detroit...
*edits*

rongotai wrote:Laxation next time you see Detroit play anaylse His on Ball D

righteo... itll be tomorow, when they played toronto ... a week ago

by **rongotai** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:53 pm

Cool tell me what you think afterwards, No harsh feelings eh (Y)

by **Laxation** on Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:03 pm

rongotai wrote:Cool tell me what you think afterwards, No harsh feelings eh

will do...

I've decided to ask the "experts" at questionswap.com, will post the results when I get all the emails back :lol:

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