Lenny is going...going...GONE

by **Colin** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:13 am

even though it wasn't entirely his fault (glass carter and the rest of the IL are also to blame) Wilkens has been fired.
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by **Steve04** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:49 am

They needed the change since IMO Lenny does not have the personality that team needs, they need a tough no nonsense coach to whip them into shape and motivate them(JVanGundy)

Lenny was too nice and it was time for a change.

by **TheBob** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:53 am

Lenny needed to go. He seems to be too laid back and from what I've seen doesn't bother coaching until the playoffs (someone needs to tell him he has to get there first). I'm glad to see the back of him.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:55 am

I'll echo a sentiment that's already been expressed, a great coach in the wrong situation. The injuries haven't helped the Raptors this season, but I think the Raptors expected Wilkens to accomplish much more than he is. That sounds somewhat unfair, given the depleted roster, but I too think it's more to do with what has already been said - too laid back, too easy on the team.

by **Rens** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:25 pm

Yeah let's blame injured players on the season the Raptors had, since they were on the floor when they were losing....

Wilkins was expected to push the team to the limit, even when they had so many injuries. Some games it worked (beating Washington with 3 NBDL call ups) most games it didn't... like people say, when the team wins, the players take the credit, when a team loses the coach takes the blame.

by **Matthew** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:01 pm

Yeah Lenny did a good job last season getting them into the playoffs, and this season was even more disasterous in terms of injuries. Grunwald reminded me of Kruase on sportscenter just then. :shock:

YouTube · by **mp3** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:21 pm

As everyone has already said he was to laid back, the injurys were not his fault but he could of got alot more out of the player that did play. Rarely did you see him leave the bench or show any emotion.

they need a tough no nonsense coach to whip them into shape and motivate them(JVanGundy)

JVG would be a great fit , he would push the players to were they needed to be. i.e Vince Carter.

by **Matthew** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:43 pm

I don't know. JVG Struggled to get Allan Houston to play really well except for one playoff run in 99 so he might be able to coach Carter. I still think the raptors fucked up by firing Wilkins.. Maybe Washington can sign him

by **TheBob** on Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:49 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote: I still think the raptors fucked up by firing Wilkins..

Have you seen any Raptors games? This guy is way out of touch with today's Nba. Doesn't play any zone, didn't define the players' roles, doesn't motivate them, screwed up sub patterns, doesn't run plays for the hot shooter, I could go on forever...

by **John Mullins** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:49 am

I could go on forever

no you couldn't

by **TheBob** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:13 am

John Mullins wrote:
I could go on forever

no you couldn't

Thanks, that was really productive...are you saying that you thought Wilkins was a good coach for the Raptors or are just pointing out the fact that I exagerated?

by **John Mullins** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:26 am

the latter

YouTube · by **mp3** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:54 am

I could go on forever

no you couldn't

Thanks, that was really productive...are you saying that you thought Wilkins was a good coach for the Raptors or are just pointing out the fact that I exagerated?

the latter

Yet another great post from are resident smartarse.

by **Bill Russell** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:54 am

lol...

It was about time Lenny got his ass fired. He couldn't relate to the younger players, he couldn't motivate them.

by **scubilete** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:07 am

NBA Fan wrote:Maybe Washington can sign him

Yeah, that would be great, that way he gets the losingest record way much more difficult to reach. :roll:

Have you seen any Raptors games?

I guess he has since the Wiz faced the raptors 4 times winning just one, maybe that's why he thinks Wilkens was supposed to stay there. :lol:

by **TheBob** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:14 am

I guess he has since the Wiz faced the raptors 4 times winning just one, maybe that's why he thinks Wilkens was supposed to stay there.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:23 pm

Yeah let's blame injured players on the season the Raptors had, since they were on the floor when they were losing....

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't blaming the injured players for the losses, just the fact that there were injuries. It's not the fault of the players, but injuries to key players (thus a depleted roster) did cause problems for the Raptors. The players aren't to blame, but injuries were a factor in the Raptors' losing record.

by **Matthew** on Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:39 pm

Yeah, that would be great, that way he gets the losingest record way much more difficult to reach.

At least his dick wont get lost up his arse like what happened when Phil Jackson decided to take over the Lakers.

I guess he has since the Wiz faced the raptors 4 times winning just one, maybe that's why he thinks Wilkens was supposed to stay there

I guess I can speak for myself and I dont need you to answer any questions directed towards me you.

Just so this post isn't a total waste

Have you seen any Raptors games? This guy is way out of touch with today's Nba. Doesn't play any zone, didn't define the players' roles, doesn't motivate them, screwed up sub patterns, doesn't run plays for the hot shooter, I could go on forever...

Not every team runs a zone. He isn't perfect but he did take them from the verge of disastor last season and guided them into the playoffs and nearly knocked off the central division champs... all without Vince. He may be the all-time losingest coach, but he also has the most wins. I still stand by what i said, and it sounds like the raptors organisation needed to blame someone, anyone, to make it look like they were pissed off at missing the playoffs so they fired wilkins.

by **TheBob** on Sun Apr 20, 2003 1:28 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote: At least his dick wont get lost up his arse

That was very eloquently put. Nice to know you're setting the example for other posters Mr. Moderator.

NBA_Fan_23 wrote: Not every team runs a zone.

Maybe when you're last in the league in opponents fg% allowing them to shoot 46% it might be time to try some zone.

NBA_Fan_23 wrote: He isn't perfect

Far from it....

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:he did take them from the verge of disastor last season and guided them into the playoffs

No he got them into that mess and Antonio and Alvin pulled them out with their leadership by defeating a bunch of crappy teams.

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:He may be the all-time losingest coach, but he also has the most wins.

So what does that mean then? He's just a mediocre coach that has been coaching for the longest.

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:the raptors organisation needed to blame someone, anyone, to make it look like they were pissed off at missing the playoffs so they fired wilkins.

No, they are pissed off that they didn't make the playoffs. Wilkins had an opportunity to get this team to the playoffs by just grabbing a few wins while they were injured in December and January. Had he done that the team still would have been in the hunt and would have played harder possibly getting them the seventh or eigth seed.

TheBob wrote: Have you seen any Raptors games?

I guess not...

by **Rens** on Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:27 am

TheBob wrote:That was very eloquently put. Nice to know you're setting the example for other posters Mr. Moderator.

Hmm, Yohance didn't post that.

by **TheBob** on Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:45 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:
TheBob wrote:That was very eloquently put. Nice to know you're setting the example for other posters Mr. Moderator.

Hmm, Yohance didn't post that.

Sorry I didn't realize that Nba Fan23 was no longer a moderator.

by **Matthew** on Sun Apr 20, 2003 12:22 pm

That was very eloquently put. Nice to know you're setting the example for other posters Mr. Moderator.

Heheheheh, now THAT was very eloquently put.

Maybe when you're last in the league in opponents fg% allowing them to shoot 46% it might be time to try some zone.

And who's to say a zone would've been a magical cure for everything?

Far from it....

Wow good point (y)

No he got them into that mess and Antonio and Alvin pulled them out with their leadership by defeating a bunch of crappy teams.

I disagree. It was more Morris Peterson who was a leader on the floor. And how was that Lenny Wilkens who got them into that mess? What next? Are you gonna blame him for being an american coach and that he couldn't make the fans in Toronto happy so there was less enthusiasm from the fans and thats why they lost? Seriously, you blame Lenny for every bad run the Raptors have had. Hmm I wonder why you don't talk about him guiding them to beating the Knicks in 2001 and coming within a Vince Carter fadeaway of the Conference finals....

So what does that mean then? He's just a mediocre coach that has been coaching for the longest.

No, what it means is he a legend becuase he has been able to coach in many different era's and coach the most games so he can't be mediocre if he can stick around for this long.

No, they are pissed off that they didn't make the playoffs. Wilkins had an opportunity to get this team to the playoffs by just grabbing a few wins while they were injured in December and January. Had he done that the team still would have been in the hunt and would have played harder possibly getting them the seventh or eigth seed.

Wait, didn't you just say that last season it was Antonio Davis and Alvin Williams who took this team to the playoffs last year? Well, if thats what you think, then why do you blame Lenny for "not getting more wins" if it's the players who win the games. And in December and January? Wasn't Vince hurt and Antonio in a doghouse? Oh wait, that's Lenny's fault too.

I guess not...

by **scubilete** on Sun Apr 20, 2003 11:32 pm

At least his dick wont get lost up his arse like what happened when Phil Jackson decided to take over the Lakers.

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I guess I can speak for myself and I dont need you to answer any questions directed towards me you.

I didn't answer any questions directed towards you but made my own comment. :twisted:

by **TheBob** on Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:11 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote: And who's to say a zone would've been a magical cure for everything?

Lets just say it couldn't have done any harm trying could it?

It was more Morris Peterson who was a leader on the floor.

I strongly disagree with that statement. I don't believe Mo is ever a leader on the court. He's constantly out of control and basically just parks himself behind the three point line. You'd think he'd learn to set his feet for his medium range jumpers by now, but noooo.....

What next? Are you gonna blame him for being an american coach and that he couldn't make the fans in Toronto happy so there was less enthusiasm from the fans and thats why they lost? Seriously, you blame Lenny for every bad run the Raptors have had.

Now you're just getting silly...

I wonder why you don't talk about him guiding them to beating the Knicks in 2001 and coming within a Vince Carter fadeaway of the Conference finals....

TheBob wrote: from what I've seen doesn't bother coaching until the playoffs

I don't think he's a bad coach in the playoffs but I do believe he is during the regular season. I agree that he had a great run that year in the playoffs but I feel that he failed them this year aswell as last year during the regular season.

No, what it means is he a legend becuase he has been able to coach in many different era's and coach the most games so he can't be mediocre if he can stick around for this long.

Question: When was the last time he won a championship?
Answer: 1979 I believe.

Wait, didn't you just say that last season it was Antonio Davis and Alvin Williams who took this team to the playoffs last year? Well, if thats what you think, then why do you blame Lenny for "not getting more wins" if it's the players who win the games. And in December and January? Wasn't Vince hurt and Antonio in a doghouse? Oh wait, that's Lenny's fault too.

Antonio was injured during a big part of January. I also don't mean that players are the only ones who win games but when a team is losing alot it's the coaches responasbility to shake things up to get them back on track. It's not that hard to coach a team when they're winning and everything is going right. However it's alot harder when nothing is working and you're losing.

Btw you still havn't answered my question. How many Raptors games did you watch last season?

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:41 am

i only saw three raptors games this year , but that all it took for me to see that lenny didnt belong there anymore. the assistant coaches did more than he did.

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