5 most overated players in the nba

1. dirk nowitzki. put an athletic SF like marion and he'll resort to shooting long range fadeways

2. larry hughes. had a career year but wasn't deserving of a big contract he got or being named to the nba 1st all defensive team

3. michael redd. what magius said

4. tony parker. a rich man's arroyo. made some shots 2yrs ago and all of a sudden he's a hero

5. quentin richardson. made the most 3's but wasn't even in the top 20 in 3pt%. no in between game.

i "blindly hate" these guys so much i walk into walls

lol jackal, you think this whole time i had taken a liking to ripping on the adulterer is because he resembles MJ the most?!?!

whoa.. a magius sighting!

Well Yao plays very few minutes for a player of that caliber because
1.) Constant Foul Trouble (3.7 personal fouls per game means more minutes on bench)
2.) He gets exhausted fast!

When Yao fell after getting hit by Stephon Marbury, the tiny respect that I had for him just disintegrated. Even his teammates were disappointed in him after that! That is the epitome of soft.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/2004/defa ... c=1&stat=1

See...he does get much less rebounds for his minutes. Yes, the 48 minute thing is inaccurate, but it does provide SOME indication of how many rebounds he gets with the minutes he has. Notice Mutombo is in a much higher ranking than Yao.

The main reason he is overrated is because people compare him to Shaq, or say he's better than Shaq. (the latter is a minority...but those people do exist.) Plus the population of China overrates him, so a whole lot of people in the world overrate him. (Not saying that's bad, because if Ha Seung Jin played a little better, I would overrate him.)

you know you're an overrated star when:

1. you are compared to tyronne lue, darko milicic and brian shaw.
2. you are considered a great player and yet have never won a championship.
3. your fans defend you by saying you never had good teammates - classic blame it on everyone but me syndrome.
4. your fans desperately claw at air screaming: "but, but, if so and so hadnt been injured, if we had.....". uh huh, yeah, and if atlanta had traded for mj and hakeem in '93..... but, if, cry, cry, tear, tear, whine, whine...... b'bye. who cares.
5. you average big numbers, but your team doesnt do well.

Laughing how about playing with players who just want to pad their stats for a contract, while being on a team that has had injury problems the last 4 years? The Clippers managament never commiting to getting a strong bench and overall strong team that can cope through injuries. The Clippers being +.500 before injuries last season, and over .500 when their starting lineup started in 03-04. Brand can win, the Clippers just need to stay healhty, actually get a bench, and continue to promote a winning enviroment.

you could say the same thing about stephon marbury.... couldnt you? woulda, shoulda, coulda.... didnt. thats all that matters.

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKHEAD

for some reason this cracked me up....... sue me.

How exactly do you come to that conclusion? Apart from the awards the media votes on, all Duncan has on Malone are rings, which is important but it's too much of a team thing to base your entire opinion on it.

1. tim duncan has never had debatably the best point guard ever..... and has still had more success. in fact, tim duncan has never played with another hall of famer in his prime.

2. tim duncan runs a teams offense and defense. he is the anchor of the spurs on both ends. karl malone is admittedly a better scorer (though not neccessarily offensive focus), and i know its not his fault he aint 7 foot and cant be as effective as td there, but the fact remains he isnt. he's a decent on the ball post defender who resorts to swiping at the ball like a girl against better players. utah never won a championship because team defense wins championships, and team defense needs a post defender who can intimidate slashers.

3. championships, put duncan anywhere and you automatically have a clear cut system of how your team will play.... and win. im hard put to think of a player who single-handedly has so clearly defined the makeup of a championship contender team as he has.

garnett vs malone is debatable. i wont go there..... unless you want me to.

riot - i think we've already been through the garnett debate that i see coming...... we both know we're just gonna end up where we were..... again. so ill just leave it be i do think a player as good as we all know he is shouldve been able to, yes, single-handedly force his team into the playoffs... even in the west. i think hes that good, and he dissapointed me. thus overrated.

yao is underrated. detroit and san antonio were 1 and 2 respectively in points per game allowed during the reg season. thats because detroit and san antonio have duncan and wallace. houston is third. thats because houston has yao.

You could turn around and say Duncan is overrated because of his choke job vs Pistons and the fact that his team never beat the Lakers in Shaq's prime, in fact they got wiped off the floor.

and you could say jordan is overrated because he never beat the lakers or celtics in their prime or even debatably detroit. and you can say hakeem is overrated cuz he never beat the bulls in their prime. and you can say shaq is overrated cuz he never beat hakeem in his prime. duncan choked? no one cares, cuz duncan won. even the greats choke..... remember magic? what defines the good from the great is that they come back and WIN. duncan didnt give up, and he kept fighting and he won. bottom line.

i dont agree, Most of those players weren't at their absolute tip-top potential best type thingy. His team sux, he doesn't. If you think that 20 and 10 sucks, then, you're an idiot.

the point is i DONT think that 20 and 10 sucks. i think 20 and 10 should be a foundation for any team to build at the very least a first round playoff team. he has had 6 years and never come close, lebron has had 1....... and are we willing to wager that he wont get in next year?

3. patrick ewing - a small forward in a centres body is not a good thing.

It can be a damn good thing thank you very much..

i would rather have a centre in a centres body.

Wow, so why is he over-rated cause he turns the ball over.....and they diddnt make the playoffs because of injurys and coaching troubles, rem they diddnt have a real coach a few weeks after the all star break.

hes made the playoffs with the rockets before......

steve francis over-rated is a dumb thing to say, under-rated if anything....

oh and I dont see why francis gets such a knock for the turnover thing....because AI does it about the same or more and so does kobe and d-wade, even lebron james and steve nash........


1. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 4.59
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 4.17
3. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 4.09
4. Steve Francis (Orlando Magic) 4.06
5. Antoine Walker (Boston Celtics) 3.29
6. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 3.28
7. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 3.27

turnovers happen, to people who control the ball the most on there team and francis has to do everything for his team basically without francis the magic would be in Bobcat satus or even Atlanta Hawk status......

hes under-rated

once. orlando would be better off if they were the bobcats or atlanta, at least theyd have high draft picks. they better hope dwight is great, or francis is leading them nowhere. give the ball to hill, he's a better point guard, even now. hell, why do you think they had to start jameer.

steve francis is a ball hog who makes bad decisions at the worse times. he tries to do too much.
allen iverson = playoffs
dwayne wade = playoffs
kobe bryant = overrated
antoine walker = uh huh
lebron james = 27 ppgs 7 rpg, 7 apg. your right he missed the playoffs, maybe hes the exception to the rule. at least for this one year. then again, he has better fg%, and if you watch a game, makes his teammates better.... something francis doesnt. francis forces, lebron flows.
steve nash = 12 apg. playoffs.

a player who i think is underrated is mike bibby, he makes the right pass, good decisions and can be clutch. but hes not an all star. any team would rather have bibby running the point than arenas or francis.


glad to be back, everyones a moderator now(!)..... it used to be you had to sleep with andrew to be one...... ha. still is.

Garnett missed the playoffs last year. That was his first time in 8 years missing the postseason.

Garnett missed the playoffs last year. That was his first time in 8 years missing the postseason.

thanks for clearing that up.

one is enough... and in his prime? disgraceful.

once. orlando would be better off if they were the bobcats or atlanta, at least theyd have high draft picks. they better hope dwight is great, or francis is leading them nowhere. give the ball to hill, he's a better point guard, even now. hell, why do you think they had to start jameer.

steve francis is a ball hog who makes bad decisions at the worse times. he tries to do too much.
allen iverson = playoffs
dwayne wade = playoffs
kobe bryant = overrated
antoine walker = uh huh
lebron james = 27 ppgs 7 rpg, 7 apg. your right he missed the playoffs, maybe hes the exception to the rule. at least for this one year. then again, he has better fg%, and if you watch a game, makes his teammates better.... something francis doesnt. francis forces, lebron flows.
steve nash = 12 apg. playoffs.

a player who i think is underrated is mike bibby, he makes the right pass, good decisions and can be clutch. but hes not an all star. any team would rather have bibby running the point than arenas or francis.


glad to be back, everyones a moderator now(!)..... it used to be you had to sleep with andrew to be one...... ha. still is.

Thats a dumb thing to say make grant hill play the point when he cant even be effective right now in that position

what does missing the playoffs have to do with francis *hes one player*? there team faced injuries and coaching changes and they lost mobley mid season which was a dumb move trade. The coach tryed to switch Francis into playing the 2 guard position when thats not him hes a true point guard, I guarntee there 8th spot at the least next year as long as everyone stays healthy....

The coach tryed to switch Francis into playing the 2 guard position when thats not him hes a true point guard

That's downright laughable, especially coming from a Steve Francis fan. Everyone knows that Steve needs the ball on a lot of posessions (to jack up a lot of stupid shots) to be effective, and let's not forget that Steve basically puts very little effort on defence. Look what happened when he was coached by Jeff Van Gundy, who was a defence oriented coach. He was absolutely terrible because he couldn't be mr. shot happy anymore.

Well Yao plays very few minutes for a player of that caliber because
1.) Constant Foul Trouble (3.7 personal fouls per game means more minutes on bench)
2.) He gets exhausted fast!

When Yao fell after getting hit by Stephon Marbury, the tiny respect that I had for him just disintegrated. Even his teammates were disappointed in him after that! That is the epitome of soft.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/2004/defa ... c=1&stat=1

See...he does get much less rebounds for his minutes. Yes, the 48 minute thing is inaccurate, but it does provide SOME indication of how many rebounds he gets with the minutes he has. Notice Mutombo is in a much higher ranking than Yao.

The main reason he is overrated is because people compare him to Shaq, or say he's better than Shaq. (the latter is a minority...but those people do exist.) Plus the population of China overrates him, so a whole lot of people in the world overrate him. (Not saying that's bad, because if Ha Seung Jin played a little better, I would overrate him.)

You haven't listened to a thing I said. How MANY rebounds you get is not as important as how MANY of the AVAILABLE REBOUNDS you get. And yes, Mutombo is a better rebounder but you can say that about almost everyone in this league except maybe like 6 or 7.

Well, he's not Shaq obviously. But to call him pathetic is quite ludicrous.

And yes I would vastly overrated Ha Seung-Jin too if he starts showing any kind of effectiveness.

you could say the same thing about stephon marbury.... couldnt you? woulda, shoulda, coulda.... didnt. thats all that matters.

How do the situations even compare?

Garnett missed the playoffs last year. That was his first time in 8 years missing the postseason.

thanks for clearing that up.

one is enough... and in his prime? disgraceful.

Believe it or not, it actually takes a team to win in a team sport. I know it's a shocker.

for whoever says kg is overrated is jus clueless wen it comes to basketball. you must jus look at standings and rings or something if u think he is overrated. try watchin some of his games and with every game every nite he gives his team a chance to win jus by steppin on the floor.

he kept makin the playoffs with wat he had and his team was never the fav. in any of the series that they lost. u take him away and none of those teams would of won championships and if u put duncan in he wouldnt of got them to win any titles either.

i respect duncan and he is definitely one of the best players in the game but im sorry his 1st title was last year to me cause the other 2 titles he had one of the "50 greatest players" on his team in David Robinson. he might not of had the numbers from his prime but he was still one of the better centers in the league. go ahead and give kg one of the "50 greatest players" and lets see wat he can accomplish.

KG is no where near overrated cause if u take KG and Duncan away from their teams i can bet that the spurs will still do way better than the wolves.

Garnett led the Wolves to the 4th seed in the playoffs in 2002-2003. During that season Wally Szczerbiak missed the first 30 games or more of the season. This is the lineup Garnett worked with.

PG-Troy Hudson
SG-Anthony Peeler
SF-Kendal Gill
PF-Kevin Garnett
C-Rasho Nesterovic

And he kept them over .500 and they make it to the 4th seed in the Western Conference. But just the Wolves luck, we draw the LA Lakers in the first round and take the LAKERS (Shaq and Kobe) to 6 games with that team. Overrated my ass.

1. you are compared to tyronne lue, darko milicic and brian shaw.

It wasn't a comparison. It wasn't even remotely near a comparison. It was just showing that rings aren't everything. As far as sleeping with Andrew goes, I heard you were a dud root

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKHEAD

for some reason this cracked me up....... sue me.

Sorry man, i was just up tight with the fact someone's opinion was Zach Randolph was overrated

but Lol @ "You're a disgrace to retards"

Melo is also very overrated, i'd take Richard Jefferson over him any time, even knowing Jefferson is also overrated.

Then who would you take over Melo? i would take Melo over Jefferson

Once again, TIM DUNCAN Is not overrated!

When Yao first came into the league, we expect him to play better than he did 2 years ago but he didn't, right?
so he didn't turn out to be that consistent. That's how Yao's overrated.

Whereas Amare Stoudamaire, who was less expected to be a Top 10 rookie, became the best rookie that year, and he's still improving.

okay i conform.

screw all of you!!! for someone to say marbury is overrated is just clueless in basketball. marbury isnt overrated! he can do crossover! if amare hadnt gotten injured in phoenix when starbury was there....he'd be mvp! and if marb hadnt gotten injured against the spurs, the suns woulda beat their asses AND won the championship! marbury never had any good players around him, they were always injured! if jersey hadnt traded kidd for marbs, marb wouldve done just as well with kmart. do you guys even watch the games? your crazy, watch the games! anyone who says marbury is overrated is on drugs.... judging a player on his teams success rather than individual success..... idiots. i bet if marbury was in detroit instead of isiah during their championship run, he'dve done just as well! i bet you if you had switched marbury and kobe during the lakers champ run the lakers still wouldve won. dont blame marbury, its not HIS fault HIS teams suck.

championships mean nothing you idiots, dont you know basketballs not about winning? its about getting lotsa big stats! dumb fucks.

When Yao first came into the league, we expect him to play better than he did 2 years ago but he didn't, right?
so he didn't turn out to be that consistent. That's how Yao's overrated.

Whereas Amare Stoudamaire, who was less expected to be a Top 10 rookie, became the best rookie that year, and he's still improving.

i repeat. houston allows the third least points per game. detroit and san antonio are 1 and 2. wallace, duncan, yao. consistent presence on both ends is valuable and underrated.

It wasn't a comparison. It wasn't even remotely near a comparison. It was just showing that rings aren't everything. As far as sleeping with Andrew goes, I heard you were a dud root Wink

well, that was a fun little factoid then. since it wasnt a comparison, it really cant show anything, can it? rings are everything when your overrating a good player among the greats. all the true greats have each 2 things: a regular season mvp and finals mvp. if you dont have one, step down. if you dont have either, jump.

yeah, ive always had a thing for aussies.

Sorry man, i was just up tight with the fact someone's opinion was Zach Randolph was overrated

but he is....

Yes maybe pathetic was harsh for Yao, but I think he is overrated. Everyone who doesn't like Shaq basically keeps on praising Yao, but Yao is not all that he is cracked up to be.

Yea, I also wish Ha Seung Jin could play well enough to be a factor... On the bright side, he's still very young.

repeat. houston allows the third least points per game. detroit and san antonio are 1 and 2. wallace, duncan, yao. consistent presence on both ends is valuable and underrated.

please, your making it seem as Yao is the reason for Houstons defensive success. Look @Detroit....overall an excellent defensive TEAM. When they had Wallace in his first season they had a shitty team on defense and sucked ass at it. Same with Spurs. Defensive team. Houston's numbers are deceiving anyways because they play for JVG and like to eat the shot clock away.

championships mean nothing you idiots, dont you know basketballs not about winning? its about getting lotsa big stats! dumb fucks.

For some reason i half agree, half disagree, i dont fucking know..

rings are everything when your overrating a good player among the greats. all the true greats have each 2 things: a regular season mvp and finals mvp. if you dont have one, step down. if you dont have either, jump.

Yeah because basketball isn't a team game or anything.

I think this thread is overrated

Webber, Marbury, Artest, Jalen Rose, Micheal Jordan Last one was a joke

Unless you mean Micheal Jordan (spelled correctly!) He was from Stanford or something? Or was it ivy leagues? He played OK during college years if I remember.

he can do crossover

so can i

if amare hadnt gotten injured in phoenix when starbury was there....he'd be mvp! and if marb hadnt gotten injured against the spurs, the suns woulda beat their asses AND won the championship! marbury never had any good players around him, they were always injured! if jersey hadnt traded kidd for marbs, marb wouldve done just as well with kmart

that is a lot of ifs. you could say a lot of ifs for a lot of players. if omar cook went to college, if grant hill hadn't got injured, if penny hardaway hadn't got injured, there are a lot of ifs in the world and they are a part of life.

He was obviously being sarcastic, he's just trying to make a point on how crap Stephon Marbury is. Try reading the whole thing next time.

hey, maybe i can be a hall of famer!!! i can also do the crossover!!!