Terrorist Attack on London

[Riot]

But those sources have been in Africa doing miltary operations there. I think they know what they are talking about too. I mean, obviously civilian opinions are better but don't act like soldiers are stupid and can't give an honest opinion. That's just not fair to them.

[cyanide]

They can give a honest opinion, but it can still be biased.

[Riot]

But how would it be biased? What are they biased for? They went to Africa, Iraq, Bosnia, and other countries and witnessed it first hand. I don't think it's biased.

[Mentally Hilarious]

There are tribes, but not tribals who need to be rescued from themselves. Usually ethneticity goes hand in hand with tribal belonging and it's just in recent yers that the post-colonial academics have started to revamp this.

I would say that someone who sees the country from a kill-or-be-killed POW is somewhat more biased than ...oh say someone who isn't. I have little or no faith in the empirical factuality of their experiences. Not to make those less real or important, but I don't think they explain the way things are in a satinfying way.

[Matthew]

Get ready for another long post. Apologies in advance.

Some links I found:

I appreciate you looking for them, but after reading through them im still not convinced, for example:
(from the guardian) "The full scale of the human cost already paid for the war on Iraq is only now becoming clear. Last week's estimate by investigators, using credible methodology, that more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians - most of them women and children - have died since the US-led invasion is a profound moral indictment of our countries. The US and British governments quickly moved to cast doubt on the Lancet medical journal findings, citing other studies. These mainly media-based reports put the number of Iraqi civilian deaths at about 15,000 - although the basis for such an endorsement is unclear, since neither the US nor the UK admits to collecting data on Iraqi civilian casualties."

"More than 100,000 civilians have probably died in Iraq as direct or indirect consequences of the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to a study by a research team at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore."

They are just estimates... and This isn't a knock on you, its not your fault, but they should not be passed as facts.

Not necessarily. I believe America would get heaps of praise if they upped the money, resources, or food to Africa or other poorer nations, for example, but when it comes to war with an ambiguous motive, that's a delicate issue that doesn't go quite well with the public eye, nationally and internationally.

I don't know if thats the answer. Like Riot said (and ive reffered to this once before), you give a man a fish... well you know the rest.

What puzzles me personally, is that not a lot of effort was put into homeland security (primarily borders), or focusing more on terrorist networks and groups, but the primary focus suddenly became Saddam and Iraq. Since when Saddam and Iraq become terrorists that is a threat to America? It's hard to see the correlation between 9/11 and Saddam.

How can you say that though? America hasn't been attacked since 9/11, so what proof do you have that they have turned their attention away from their homeland security. Just becuase cbs or abc news doesnt report about it doesnt mean the government has shifted attention away from it.

Who, besides a select few that you know personally, is wanting this war? Who wanted bombs to be dropped onto their city or neighborhood? What makes you think the civilians want this war to keep going?

I can only go by what I hear. A nation and generations of supression now has some hope of a normal life, and the people are (from what ive gathered) are happy. I'd be pissed off if the coaliton leaves now, becuase i feel sorry for those that have died and those that would be there under a civil war. But progress has been made and the job is not done yet...

Look at the sig. I support the ONE Campaign. Not because of the wristbands or the cool commercials or the fact that Bono's behind it, but I feel that we really have something here. We really have the opportunity to make poverty history.

Its good to believe in somthing, just make sure its not just hype. Follow it through .

Go visit the place yourself instead of all these friends you have that has been all over the world. Go read something a bit more empirical than the latest post on a Internet forum. Go! Prosper!

Have you visited the place? If not.. you cant criticise him for not either.

imo, if I want to hear about Africa's situation, I'd rather hear from sources in Africa rather than sources in the US. Same with Iraq.

But yet you had no problem using a guardian (uk newspaper) source for the casualities in iraq?

[Mentally Hilarious]

Yeah I've visited Africa. Probably the oh-white-man-look-at-us-tour, but I've been there.

[Matthew]

Which parts?

[Mentally Hilarious]

Marocco and Mocambique. So Marocco isn't too applicable here since it's very diffrent from sub-Sahara africa (the areas that really need help).

Mocambique since I'm going there for my MFS (hopefully).

[Matthew]

So tell me about Mocambique (or havent you been there? I didnt know what you meant by "since im going there")

[Mentally Hilarious]

Was there over two days to gather some material for an application that I'm writing next spring (for a Minor Field Study).

It's just as you wouldn't expect. Things work, but the land is ravished by war for many years, and you see alot of hurt people. When you walk around as a white person 50% of the people seem like they want to spit on you, and 50% want your help. So it's mentally tough to be there (or atleast was for such a short while). Other than that, I mostly met with other help organizations such as SIDA. Was in Maputu for two days, then went back to Marocco.

The coastline is beautiful, and if you don't know portugese you'll have a hard time talking to natives (which I don't so I didn't).

[Chris.]

if you havent realized yet but in the last hour there has been more bombs
check you news channel to see it or on ww.bbc.co.uk/news
it is reported that there was a nail bomb

[Filip]

WTF, again?!
I've been in London the two last weekends. I don't dare to go there anymore now.

[Chris.]

i live in east london where one of them happened in hackney
have you seen the news yet?

[Filip]

Nah, I'm still at work, but I think I saw something from BBC on the internet.

[Riot]

Nobody has died though from what I've heard. So that's good news.

[FendeR`]

Aparrently right now they're saying a London Bus had some sort of explosion but only suffered minor damage, and still no casulties. They're also saying that some witnesses are saying that in some Underground stations it sounded like something went wrong with the bombs and only the detonator went off.

[Jackal]

Count on terrorists to be too stupid they forget to wire the bombs properly. Their stupidity is our benefit.

[Chris.]

Count on terrorists to be too stupid they forget to wire the bombs properly. Their stupidity is our benefit.

no not really because they are stupid enough to bomb london and that is now our benefit

[J@3]

There's been 1 injury and that's it. No one's died, the bombs didn't go off properly (I think one did but it did minimal damage). The only blasts were from the detonators exploding. Despite the fact that this entire thing has basically been cleared up for now, TV is still full of every single news service in the UK talking about the same thing over and over and over again

no not really because they are stupid enough to bomb london and that is now our benefit

I don't really know how stupid that was, they've succeded hugely once and if they weren't so fucked in the head could've EASILY done it this time aswell.

[Riot]

I don't know why all the news stations here kept showing it. I was watching Regis and Kelly.

[Username123]

I heard the guy that was convicted of the 1st London Bombing still alive. I thougt it was a suicide bombing. Anyway London is now fucked....

[cyanide]

Anyway London is now fucked....

Who knows, that could've been the last international breaking-news terrorist bombing for a while, so maybe they're not fucked after all.

[Chris.]

today a suspected suicide man was shot five times and killed. he jumped over the barrier on a tube station and nearby police men shot him. as he tried to run on a train.
this is good and bad because it shows that something is being done but it means that they are still around.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Who thinks this has a connection to the last attack and who stands in favor of this being the work of even more moronic fucks then the last time?

"hey! They could do it, so can we!"

[Username123]

I just saw the interview of the guy the supposedly made the London suicide bombing (1st one). Its funny because he said he went to Saudi Arabia and when he comes back he sees his picture everywhere saying that he bombed the train station. People love to blame Muslims for everything....