Top 50 List (End of 04-05)

[Keo]

Here is my own personal Top 50 NBA Players list...tell me what u think!
1. Garnett
2. Duncan
3. LeBron
4. Dirk
5. Shaq
6. Kobe
7. T-Mac
8. Iverson
9. Webber
10. Amare
11. Marion
12. J.O'Neal
13. Pierce
14. Kidd
15. Nash
16. Francis
17. R.Allen
18. Carter
19. Wade
20. Arenas
21. Brand
22. Jamison
23. Yao
24. Carmelo
25. Hughes
26. Kirilenko
27. Peja
28. B.Miller
29. Starbury
30. Artest
31. Bibby
32. B.Diddy
33. Redd
34. R.Lewis
35. Gasol
36. G.Hill
37. Ginobili
38. Boozer
39. J-Rich
40. R.J.
41. B.Wallace
42. Randolph
43. A.Walker
44. K-Mart
45. Billups
46. Odom
47. Rip
48. Maggette
49. Rasheed
50. Parker

Others: Cassel, Spree, Okafor, Magloire, Bosh, Rose, Gooden, Ilgauskas, Camby, Hinrich, T. Murphy, B. Simmons, K. Thomas, Tinsley, Mobely

[Alvin]

no grant hill?

[Keo]

I figured he would retire. I'm trying to keep the list new.
That's the only reason he's not on, he would be on but i figured he's just gonna retire.

[Alvin]

in that case, spree and cassell should also not be there and by the way, is that list ordered? coz i noticed u ranked gasol all down to 49.

[GloveGuy]

I figured he would retire. I'm trying to keep the list new.
That's the only reason he's not on, he would be on but i figured he's just gonna retire.

What? The guy's playing the best ball he's played in the last 4 years. Retire? What reasoning is that? No one was keeping Michael Jordan off of any top 50 lists during his final Bulls/Wizards days.

[Keo]

i know i said i wanna keep the list new.

[fgrep15]

Brand at #33? Brand is a top 20 player in the league, he's a 20-10 guy, but in addition to that is a top 5 defensive PF in the league, a guy like Boozer should never even come close to him let alone be ranked higher. Boozer doesn't know what defense is.

Carter is too high, his play in New Jersey get's him in top 20, but Brand, Arenas, Wade, and Marion should be ahead of him.

Peja shouldn't be in till probably 30's, maybe late 20's at best. Yao isn't a top 20 player right now. Brad Miller over Wade, Marion, Brand, Arenas, Artest, even J-Rich, I guess because he's a King, but that's just odd.

Nash should be in the top 20, probably somewhere between 7-15.

Carmelo as a top 20 player is laughable, he shouldn't be ahead of any guy I've mentioned, and his numbers have even gone down from last season, he's in the 30's.

Cassell as dropped off, I don't even know if he's a top 50 player anymore, I'd take Grant Hill over him right now.


Here would be mine:

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Shaquille O'neal
4) Kobe Bryant
5) Lebron James
6) Dirk Nowitzki
7) Tracy McGrady
8) Allen Iverson
9) Jason Kidd
10) Steve Nash
11) Dwyane Wade
12) Elton Brand
13) Jermaine O'neal
14) Amare Stoudemire
15) Shawn Marion
16) Ray Allen [Ron Artest if he was playing]
17) Paul Pierce
18) Gilbert Arenas
19) Vince Carter
20) Andrei Kirilenko
21) Chris Webber
22) Larry Hughes
23) Steve Francis
24) Stephon Marbury
25) Baron Davis [Injured too much]
26) Ron Artest
27) Manu Ginobili
28) Jason Richardson
29) Richard Jefferson
30) Yao Ming
31) Michael Redd
32) Ben Wallace
33) Pau Gasol
34) Lamar Odom
35) Corey Maggette
36) Rashard Lewis
37) Zach Randolph
38) Carlos Boozer
39) Chauncey Billups
40) Mike Bibby
41) Rip Hamilton
42) Antawn Jamison
43) Carmelo Anthony
44) Grant Hill
45) Peja Stojakovic
46) Brad Miller
47) Kenyon Martin
48) Kirk Hinrich
49) Tony Parker
50) Jamaal Tinsley

EDIT: I skipped #8

[Keo]

that's pretty good but Webber at 22??!! Give the guy a break!

[GloveGuy]

i know i said i wanna keep the list new.

New = current, and currently, Grant Hill is playing in this league and averaging 19 points per game.

Oh, he's been in the league fewer years than Shaquille O'Neal, so by your logic, Shaq should be off that list too.

[fgrep15]

That's pretty good for him, he's playing very good offensively, but he's on and off because of the knee injury, and he's also unable to be too effective defensively because of the knee.

He's basically playing on one leg, and though he's doing a very good job of it, it still hurts...

[Keo]

That's exactly what I'm saying. He's been injured and is not 100%. He's just mistaken and I'm sick of everybody critisizing him. Even Kings fans, they're supposed to understand...

[fgrep15]

Yea, the problem is that this isn't a case where you can say, I'll rank him higher because he's just injured now, he's not really ever going to be 100% again....but hey, a 80% or whatever he is Webber is still a Top 21 player in the league.

[Keo]

ya I agree...

[Indy]

i dont think webber is a top 10 player anymore.

[Drex]

It's been a couple seasons since he's not Top 10 in the League.

[iKe7in]

So I guess because Webber has been so injured lately and he could retire that maybe he shouldn't be on the list either.

[chaochimac]

nash is #24??!! gotta be kiddin me

[Jackal]

He lost me when Shaq wasn't in the top 3 or even 5.

Nice list Fgrep.

[Matt]

and PP34 @9, Webber @10

[J@3]

I'd put Artest down at like #45 just to piss him off.

Also, in my own list (which I won't do, because after the top 5 I'd be guessing) Tim Duncan would be like 4th... there's something about him I just don't like. It's not the fact that he isn't exciting to watch, I'm just not a fan... especially after seeing him play at the Olympics. Lazy and unmotivated come to mind. I know he was 2nd in scoring for the team or whatever, but lets face it, anyone over 7ft tall at the Olympics is going to average 14ppg.

[Matt]

i'd go

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Shaq
4. Kobe
5. Lebron
6. Nowitzki
7. AI
8. T-Mac
9. Brand
10. Kidd

[Keo]

I dunno man...and Brand at 9???

[John WB]

I'd put LeBron before Kobe. LeBron makes his teammates better. Kobe doesn't.

Not that that's the only criteria.

[.]

I'd put LeBron before Kobe. LeBron makes his teammates better. Kobe doesn't.

Not that that's the only criteria.

Check out the FG% of the new aqcuired players and compare them from over the years, then tell me again he doesnt make them better.

[Drex]

I know this is a big "if", but, would LeBron make the current Lakers team better if Kobe wasn't there?