Artest: Where's my invitation?

Also players like Peja who utilize a jab step very effectively would have lots of turnovers and the players would protest. You can make a jab step according to FIBA rules, but when your pivot foot comes off the ground, the ball must be out of your hands (either dribbling or you already passed it). NBA players would go absolutely crazy over these rules.

That's supposed to be an NBA rule, they just never call it. The fact that's not travelling in the NBA is riduculous. Lifting the pivot foot like that is travelling in my school games, in the NCAA, and in international play like you said.

I know it's a rule in the NBA. It's just not called. Sorta like the offensive 3 seconds. I like how it's not called because there's so often merely less than a second before the time when the pivot foot is up and the ball is out of your hands. I know you're going to say "then why not just get rid of the rules regarding the pivot foot?" Because this one is a bit more natural and very nitpicky thing. The advantage of the jab step would be nullified significantly if the NBA cracked down on this rule.

Rules from international play that suxor.

No defensive 3 seconds
That 'no goaltending' crap
Rules regarding when timeouts can be called
No arm bar allowed in the post (you called this handchecking)

Ah, I forgot about the lack of defensive 3 seconds. They seriously want to bring back the days when Wilt was in the NBA.

Handchecking is more than just an arm bar in the post. What I'm talking about can be applied anywhere on the floor. For Alcoholic, handchecking is when you put an arm (or arm bar or hand) on the hip/waist of the person who is driving.

I hope the refs get rid of the double standard the US players can't set moving screens but international players can. Cannot remember how many times there was a moving screen set by an international player.

Fgrep, after today's game, my opinion on Marion changed. He got the US some easy baskets and showed great intensity on the floor. He, Odom, Duncan, and Iverson are the only four players that I thought were actually playing well.[/color]

Yea, I told y'all Marion was a good choice, and can be a good choice on any team.

AD: My biased-ness got in the way. My bad.

that Antonio Davis, can't stand him too much, he's so bad in the post offensively.

Is Artest joking? He must be! With the amount of touch fouls they call in interntaional play, it'll take maybe 5-6 minutes for him to foul out. He won't get any respect jst because of his great clutching and grabbing skills that he's perfected in the NBA.

true, true

Marion: Glad someone gives him props . I don't care about the bronze game. He played very well. Not the best man up defender, but a great team defender. Great anticipation for steals. Good rebounder for a perimeter defender. Always hustling out there. Probably with James, had the highest +/- on the team.

Not once did I see Amare post up on someone this Olympics. The only guy who was actually asking for the ball down low was Duncan.

I'll actually have to agree here, I won't say not once, but Amare is more of a face up guy right now, probably about 80% of the time in the post he'll face up and try to take his man off the dribble as oposed to using back to the basket moves.



Lastly, FIBA rules suck, I don't like that whole cylinder thing, but the NBA actually took out handchecking, I remember John Salley using it as an argument as to why MJ wasn't as good a defender as Kobe
...and I remember Glenn Robinson saying Ray Allen's effectiveness only became better when handchecking was removed because Ray is soft.

The NBA allows it, but not near as much as before, it's very toned down now.

john salley is the dumbest dipshit around. correct me if i'm wrong but he once said that kobe could average 45+ or something like that if shaq wasn't around.. NO ONE in the league could average 45+ right now. guy should seriously detach his lips from kobe's ass and quit saying such garbage

The Nba allows them to play way too much.
Whatever, when are they finally going to make international rules?

I doubt the NBA will ever adopt FIBA rules. Some of the rules are completely laughable. Once the ball hits the rim, you can swat it either in our out. No defensive basket interference. No offensive basket interference either. I don't know why Duncan, Odom, and Marion didn't take advantage of such a lousy rule. There's also no handchecking. Duncan got called for that numerous times. If want the entire NBAPA to revolt because you get called for handchecking, then alright...I guarantee you if they adopted FIBA rules and cracked down on handchecking, top defenders (assuming the coach leaves them just for hypothetical reasons) would be gone in 15 minutes. Also players like Peja who utilize a jab step very effectively would have lots of turnovers and the players would protest. You can make a jab step according to FIBA rules, but when your pivot foot comes off the ground, the ball must be out of your hands (either dribbling or you already passed it). NBA players would go absolutely crazy over these rules.

Plus, adopt things like the trapezoid paint and the shorter 3 pt line, and you're basically sending a message to tell the coaches to play zone, get more shooters, and stop pounding the ball down low. The new MVP's would be guys like Peja and Ray Allen. Not Duncan and KG. Or Shaq. You're going to have some very upset players...

I didn't say the Nba should adopt the Fiba rules (or Fiba the Nba ones...).
All Im saying is that i would like to see international rules.

Lastly, FIBA rules suck, I don't like that whole cylinder thing, but the NBA actually took out handchecking, I remember John Salley using it as an argument as to why MJ wasn't as good a defender as Kobe
...and I remember Glenn Robinson saying Ray Allen's effectiveness only became better when handchecking was removed because Ray is soft.

The NBA allows it, but not near as much as before, it's very toned down now.

I was going to say that. It's technically a foul when the player is driving, but it's very soft handchecking nowadays in the league. In my school league it's overcalled. A hand following the player on his hip or w/e is called. I also think the NBA made it so in the post you can oly use one arm as an armbar instead of being able to use two.

I don't want to see Ron Artest give the rest of the world the finger.

I see handchecking now... that's what I would call 'hooking'...

I didn't know it was taken out of the NBA. I thought the refs would never call it (until the crucial moments of a close game ).