From the sliders discussion regarding gamespeed

[furbysaur]

if the topic is realism, my gamespeed won't pass at all. but if it's fun we're talking about, then we leave it to each one's preference.

well, at least we learned something here.. the word fun is vague. im having fun with 80 gamespeed. and someone here's having fun with 17 speed.

[trecenters]

I can have fun in bed with my hand but it will never be the same as a hott blonde


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[BlaqthotsC]

This not NBA Jam!

[MetalHead]

My sliders are set to 38, 36, 33. What the hell are you talking about people? 80?!! Instead of just pressing the crossover button (analog stick) over and over again, try running some offensive sets at 80. Good Luck. Realism is for NBA Live and the 2k series. Go do yourself a favour and buy a damn PS2 and NBA Street and get off the boards.

[Pera]

realism is the best way to play nba live games and there is no other way

[The_Flying_Tomato]

if ur looking for realism wtf did you get Live for?

PS: WTF is 'Force Field'

[Heiks]

Basically if you set it at 100 you can't go out of bounds. When it's lower then it's easier to go out of bounds.

[R.J.]

Why are we bumping old threads?

[MrShock]

You guys are crazy if you think game speed below 50 is realistic. It may cause realistic stats but thats because it takes twice as long to do everything. I was watching the Bulls play the Hawks tonight while I was playing Live and Kurt Hinrich was getting from 3 point line to 3 point line in about half the time it takes for him to do it on the game with 50 game speed. Thats one reason I really can't stand playing Live after a couple games. On a break I have time to pass it to the pg, look over at the tv and check the score, and then turn around in time to make the pass for the layup.

Another thing that annoys me is how everyone thinks turning down freestyle makes for more realistic gameplay as well. In real life most people drive and kick, or drive and pull up. Its all about creating your own shot. On the game I cant drive because only like 2 of my players are able to do a cross over without losing the ball and thats suppose to be realistic. Even at 50 rating, if I try to do a crossover with Noce, my SF, about half the time he will lose the ball, and the other half he does one so slow an obese person could keep up with him.

Sometimes you gotta sacrifice realistic stats for realistic game play. And I'd much rather have the ability to actually get around my man and have a hard time stopping their SS, instead of both teams either taking contested jump shots constantly or throwing it into the post to kick it back out for the open shot.

[Silas]

maybe the game has to be played at 80 for him because his computer lags so much that in the end it looks like its game speed 40 because his frames per second is so low.

[MrShock]

If you ever played REAL basketball. And i'm not talking about 3 on 3 in your driveway. I mean REAL 5 on 5 organized team basketball, then you would know that a jr high game plays faster than Live below 50 game speed.

Let me explain for those who haven't. A college court is 95ft, or was back in my day. Most people run 40's in aobut 4 1/2 seconds on average. So they should be able to run from baseline to baseline in about 4 seconds on a sprint. So you keep telling yourself its real gameplay when it takes your pg 4 seconds to go from 3pt line to 3pt line on a fast break. Or maybe silas your mind just lags so 40 gamespeed is all you can handle. Have fun being a door greeter in Walmart for the rest of your life if your that slow.

[Heiks]

I did a little test (I recorded the game at different speeds with Fraps and then checked the times in a video editor called VirtualDub):

At Game Speed 40 Tony Parker dribbled half the court in about 3 seconds.
At Game Speed 40 Tony Parker at sprint dribbled half the court in about 2.5 seconds.

At Game Speed 80 Tony Parker dribbled half the court in about 2.25 seconds.
At Game Speed 80 Tony Parker at sprint dribbled half the court in about 1.5 seconds.

Half the court is about 47-48ft (14.5m). So its about 10 meters in a sec. World top 100 meter dash sprinters run 10 meters in a second. At full power. For 100 meters. After that they're exhausted as hell. Oh yeah, and they do that without dribbling a basketball at the same time. I rest my case.

Game Speed is perfect at 40-50.

[Silas]

MrShock i dont know what the hell your talking about as i expressed no opionion in my post about how the game should be played, just a joke about maybe his computer is slow, so please read and understand posts before you slander someone

[MrShock]

At Game Speed 40 Tony Parker dribbled half the court in about 3 seconds.
At Game Speed 40 Tony Parker at sprint dribbled half the court in about 2.5 seconds.

At Game Speed 80 Tony Parker dribbled half the court in about 2.25 seconds.
At Game Speed 80 Tony Parker at sprint dribbled half the court in about 1.5 seconds.

A pro basketball court is 94'. lets take half of that.

So 47' is basically 15 yards.

If Tony Parker runs a 4.4 40, then thats 1.1 seconds ever 10 yards. that would make 15 yards about 1.65 seconds half court. So if he runs a 4.4 40, that makes 80 gamespeed about right.

40 gamespeed would make him have about a 6.5 second 40. Our starting linemen in hs all had around 6 second or lower 40's.

And dribbling a basketball doesn't slow you down much if you know what your doing. At one basketball camp I attended, they tried to teach me how to make it from baseline to freethrow in 3-4 dribbles. I was never that fast but a lot of people have no problem with it. But when you have the best of the best, as in the pro's, its no problem accelerating with the ball.

Also you gotta remember most pg's catch the ball on the run. If you'll watch, when they go to catch an outlet, they will usually U around and catch it going up court already accelerated.

One more thing. Basketball is a Burst endurance sport. you can take the best long distance runner in the world and he wouldn't make it through the first quarter. While the first couple trips up and down the court really hurt you even if your in shape, someone will foul or throw the ball out of bounds and you'll get to catch your breath. Also if you stop their break or keep them from shooting up a quick shot, then you can rest a little on defense before your running up court again.

[LiveBaller]

Hah, wouldnt it be great to delete that post? Is that all you do in live 06? mathematical analysis. sheesh

and cmon man game speed 80??? ur playing live 06 not live 2003. ur probably a fan of high-flying dunking rather than playing real basketball. my advice to you is to go play live 2003 then.

It works prefectly for me at speed 40

[MrShock]

I'm glad 40 game speed works for you.

Its not sim ball though. I bought in to that crap when it first came out that you had to play the game slow, but its rubbish. Without true game speed you cant get the basketball feel.

Its like playing baseball and turning pitches down to where its a 60mph fastball. You don't get the effect of a 100mph fastball blowing by you. Sure, if it's going 60 mph, you can tell if its a ball or not and you can hit it easier, but it isn't sim baseball. With faster gamespeed you make more mistakes because theres less thinking and more action.

I'm not saying your 40 game speed is wrong, because its up to how you play the game. But 80 game speed is closer to sim ball than 40, so quit telling people their wrong in how they play because they like a game where you have to think and act fast just like in real ball.

And just so you know, in my new dynasty, I've played 3 games. 8 min quarters and all games have been in the 80's in points for both teams. I'm averaging about 40 points a game in the paint and so is the comp. I'm gonna bump it up to 9 min and maybe 5 more game speed to 75 but other than that I'm perfectly happy with stats as well as gameplay.

[LiveBaller]

I'm glad 40 game speed works for you.
But 80 game speed is closer to sim ball than 40, so quit telling people their wrong in how they play because they like a game where you have to think and act fast just like in real ball.

Why not at a game speed of 100 then? Give yourself something to chew about.

Anyway its about fun in the end and if that suits you, fair enough. Ill give it a shot too.

[MrShock]

Thats my point. I dont need 100 game speed. I use 70 and I may up it to 75, but for t he most part the game speed and the sliders I have give me the most real basketball from a live series yet.

It just annoys me if someone tried to talk about higher game speed, then someone has to bash it, like above. U-N-R-E-A-L-I-S-T-I-C huh? I simply point out that their sliders are as U-N-R-E-A-L-I-S-T-I-C as mine.

The thing that suprised me since I started using my sliders is how hard it is to score in the paint. Against Charlotte It seemed like they blocked everything and I was thinging to myself I had to turn down blocks a lot. But at the end of the game Okafor only had 6 blocks, and while that is alot, it isn't unreasonable. He contested everything I put up. There was contact on almost every layup on both sides. The difference in the game came down to Okafor and Wallace making contested layups, and Gordon and Deng missing them.

Obviously there's still bugs in the gameplay. Like Ben Gordon getting a 1v1 block on Sean May, or Felton pulling down 2 big offensive boards in traffic late in the game, but for the most part I love my sliders.

Bottom line is just because someone's sliders aren't the same as yours doesn't me its not sim ball. In the older games with glitches and overpowered freestyle it was really easy to score at faster paces. But with better AI the speed doesn't matter. If i'm getting realistic stats at 9min while playing, what I feel like, is a NBA experience in gameplay, how is that different from someone who wants to play 12 so they slow gameplay down?

[furbysaur]

this is for you mrshock

[LiveBaller]

Okay. I get your point mate. Just so i can try it too, can you post your sliders please?

[dbsimo2002]

if game speed is at 40 or even 80, and you are playing 9 minute quarters then how many minutes do your starters play? currently, i play on 12 minute quarters therfore my starters can play 40 minutes if they have high stamina ratings. but at 9 can't they play the whole game? what fatigue level do you use?

also, what is your sim quarter length?