To Dk and Urotsukidoji: Computer and setplays

[Leander]

Hi,

Finally, I wanna start my NY Knicks franchise but got a question before that: Should I use Urotsukidoji's idea concerning plays for the franchise or not?

Just did a test vs. Philadelphia.
When the computer uses dynamic offense, Iverson and Snow will shoot a lot of three-pointers, quite boring in my point of view. But when you tell the computer to use a specific set, there won't be hardly any 3-point-attemps, which is also not realistic.

You can't select offensive sets for the computer but there is a trick: Asign a gamepad to the computer team, select startegy...put gamepad away to center, so team is controlled by computer...but comp. will use your chosen set! Urotsukidoji proposed Quick hitters and ball screen for Philadelphia, so I let the computer use quick hitters in quarters 2 and 4 while I selected Ballscreen in quarters 1 and 3.

I won the game 89-85 using the tweaked NLSC-roster, allstar, 4x9 minutes.

Each team has two setplays, referring to Urotsukidoji. Should I use them, one for quarters 1 and 3 and the other one for 2 and 4 or will this screw up things? is it good for realism or not? There won't be a 3-point-orgy but hardly 3-point attemps won't be good either, will it?

How should I play my franchise?

[Urotsukidoji]

I suggest that you pick one play for the 1st quarter then the other one for the 2nd quarter. Whatever works best for them then use that for the remaining 2 quarters. True, some plays doesn't make alot of 3 point shots but I some plays do. I wish I can tell you which plays were they, I think Double High fire more 3 point shots then others if my memory serves me correctly. If you are really worried about their 3 point attempts then set the 3rd quarter to Dynamics then on the 4th quarter use whichever works best.

Ever since I got the game I have been playing on Franchise Mode with Zaxis' tweak (with real life salaries). In my experience with the sets that I have recomended, I find that I am being burned by the right players namely their star players. They also pass the ball more making the pace somewhat slower yet at the same time they still go for the fastbreak whenever they get the chance.

For those who doesn't know what this is all about, below is what I posted from this thread http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3801 .

In response to DK's suggestion this is what I did. I set two CPUs to battle it out and change there offensive sets. I let them play out for 1 qtr (12 mins) with no fatigue and no auto substitute to see what the starters might do. At the end of the qtr, i recorded which positions took the most shot at what offensive set. The ff are the offensive set with the 3 most dominant postions ( the number right next to the position is the # of shot they took.

OFFENSIVE SETS 1ST 2ND 3RD
1-4 High SG (6) SF (5) PG (5)
Ball Screen PF (6) SG (5) PG (5)
Box SG (11) SF (7) PF (4)
Double High SG (8) PG (7) PF (6)
Flex C (9) SF (4) PF (3)
Hawks SG (8) PF (4) PG (4)
High Post PG (8) SG (7) PF (5)
Inside Triangle SF* PG* C*
Motion C (7) SF (3) SG(3)/PG(3)
Quick Hitters SG (11) SF (6) PF (4)
Sideline Triangle C (11) PG (5) SF (4)
Turnout SG (9) PF (6) SF (5)
Zipper SG (8) SF (8) C (5)
* Not My Data (DK)

Now by considering the teams and there star player I assigned 2 set plays for each team.

TEAMS OFFENSIVE PLAYS
Atlanta Hawks Ball Screen, Hawks
Boston Celtics 1-4 High, Hawks
Chicago Bulls Motion, Zipper
Cleveland Cavaliers Motion, Zipper
Dallas Mavericks 1-4 High, Motion
Denver Nuggets Flex, Sideline Triangle
Detroit Pistons Motion, Quick Hitters
Golden State Warriors Zipper, Box
Houston Rockets High Post, Double High
Indiana Pacers Ball Screen, Motion
LA Clippers Turnout, Motion
LA Lakers ?
Memphis Grizzlies Turnout, Quick Hitters
Miami Heat Quick Hitters, Double High
Milwaukee Bucks 1-4 High, Double High
Minnesota Timberwolves Zipper, Box
New Jersey Nets Motion, High Post
New Orleans Hornets Motion, 1-4 High
New York Knicks Box, Quick Hitters
Orlando Magic Quick Hitters, 1-4 High
Philadelphia 76ers Quick Hitters, Ball Screen
Phoenix Suns High Post, 1-4 High
Portland Trailblazers Ball Screen, Turnout
Sacramento Kings Ball Screen, Turnout
San Antonio Spurs Ball Screen, Turnout
Seattle Supersonics High Post, 1-4 High
Toronto Raptors Quick Hitters, Box
Utah Jazz Ball Screen, High Post
Washington Wizards 1-4 High, Box

I played against San Antonio and Portland and both teams favored there star players: Duncan, Smith, Parker and Wallace, Wells and Stoudamire. They also shot roughly in the the 40% and tend to set plays rather than just run gun therefore slowing the pace of the game. (With 8 min qtr and default roster ... not DK's tweaked one).

Now if you consider my procedure there lots of room for error BUT this is only a test and this experiment should be done more than once. Let me know what you guys think and I'll post this again in a more appropriate thread created by DK somewhere.

Let me know what you guys think or discovered and thanks DK for discovering this method.[/b]

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[Leander]

Ok, thank you for your answer, I will test some sets then. Set 1, set 2, dynamic and another one in the forth quarter could be of interest.

Bye
Leander

PS In NBA Live 95, each team had two realistic plays as well, realism concerning the actual sets the teams used in the real NBA, not which players scored...

Maybe we could also try this one out? New York has box and motion, for example...maybe it would be of help to you if I sent you each team's sets as Live 95 used?

[Leander]

Well, player another test game, 4x10 minutes. I think that the game becomes easier when the have the computer play sets instead of having it usw "dynamic". (I play on allstar)

Sometimes it is really difficult to find open shots but this time it was easy, I played vs. Orlando (with NY of course), Kemp had no chance against Kurt Thomas, I didn't use back-down or fresstyle, just moved Thomas around Kemp for the dunk.

1st quarter: 4 3-point attempts (quick hitters)
2nd: 5 (1-4 high)
3rd 12 (dynamic)
4th 5 (quick hitters)

Maybe the game becomes easier without dynamic offense as the computer takes fewer 3-point shots. With dynamic, there are lots of threes, many of them go in, resulting in many points.

[mike879]

this doesnt apply to franchise mode right?

[Urotsukidoji]

this doesnt apply to franchise mode right?

Yes it does pre. If your problem is setting the opponents offensive set plays follow the instruction below.

- Upon the beginning of a game press ESC.
- Under Select Controller, assign one to the opponent (either the keyboard or your own controller).
- Go back to the Main Menu and click Strategy, then Team Strategy.
- There right next to the team name should be left/right arrow toggle.
- Click on of the arrow to switch teams to set.
- Right next to Offensive Sets change Dynamics to a set play you like them to use.
- Be careful on selecting a play (or formation). Make sure you select the one without a number right next to it (ie Flex vs Flex 1). Using a formation without a # will force the CPU to assign a new set play each possession. (Just to get a point across formation is Flex and a set play is the number right next to it).
-After you are satisfied exit out into the Main Menu.
-Go to Select Controller again and just unassign the controller from your opponent.
-Click Resume Game.