Can't play #%#%$^ defense in this game!

[KOBE23]

Practice, practice, practice... enough said

[_Steve_]

It's a lot easier to get open 3's in this game the way the defense collapses, that is if you can get into the paint.

This! But you don't even have to get into the paint to let the defense collapse, as there are plenty of play calls that use screens etc...

[debiler]

[RANT]That's fucking it! You stupid, putrid shithole ass game! I just don't know what I am doing wrong, but every single pissing game the AI goes on a 30-5 run or something in that area. I don't fuckin get it: WHY? WHY? I am doing nothing wrong. Whenever I miss a shot (despite being wide open and geting the release 100%), the AI players swarm out, creating a 2-1 or 3-1 fastbreak. Whenever I got a fastbreak opportunity, I can't get the ball past ONE DEFENDER WHO HAS HIS BACK TURNED TOWARDS ME! Just writing about this piss poor game makes me furious. There is so much in the game that makes it worth playing, but why don't they get the little things right? Why do my players take contact shots in the post when all I want to do is fake a shot? Alright, if there's contact on a shot fake, so be it. But call a fuckin foul, you blind mole of a ref!!! And when I manage to get my opponent into the air with a fake, out of nowhere comes the help defender and swats my shot. WHAT THE FUCK!?!
I just played a 48 minute game in 2k11. Lost by a margin of 11 against the Timberwolves. But it was fun and I know what I'm going to do differently next time around.

The immortal genius of James Rolfe needs to be referred here:

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Until there is a patch, I won't touch 2k12 again. Stupid ass shit wanker of a game...

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[JaoSming]

Whenever I miss a shot (despite being wide open and geting the release 100%)

Turn on the shot feedback for release timing and the grade thing. You'll be surprised what is considered an "A" shot and what isn't.

and remember there are sliders you can tweak that limits the contact on fast breaks (which evidently doesnt affect the half court game according to OS) just hit up that link I posted in this thread earlier.

[Andrew]

Czar also covers the indicators in this video:

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[kAmilli LakeShow]

Czar also covers the indicators in this video:

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This video should be the highest rated video ever. After i watched this, and i turned on Shot feedback, i started winning, because i realised what shots i should take with certain guys. Like for some guys, like Kobe, pull-up, leaner, almost all shots are on perfect level. But some guys are just good standing shooters like Dell Curry. And 2k12 really detailed it this year, you play REAL basketball. Also, it helps with tweaking your sliders, as default sim sliders put a 3pt shot as A+, and that shouldn't be the case, so i tweaked them so that only real good shooters can get A or A+ when wide open for 3. I give kudos to 2k12 for this, this really makes it a different game. but i agree, the foul system pisses me off. Contact this year is just broken and can't be fixed with sliders because it's the animation fault

[JaoSming]

And 2k12 really detailed it this year, you play REAL basketball.

[debiler]

Whenever I miss a shot (despite being wide open and geting the release 100%)

Turn on the shot feedback for release timing and the grade thing. You'll be surprised what is considered an "A" shot and what isn't.

and remember there are sliders you can tweak that limits the contact on fast breaks (which evidently doesnt affect the half court game according to OS) just hit up that link I posted in this thread earlier.

I'm not pissed with you or anything. Seriously. But I already figured out myself what those indicators mean. I'm actually talking about A+ or A shots. I have no idea why this keeps happening. But this is only one of the many gripes I have. Gameplay is just too unbalanced at the moment. The gamedoesn't let you do the things you want to do. Like kicking the ball out, for example. There is absolutely NO defender next to my shooter, who is waiting at the 3pt line. But when I decide to get the ball to him, as soon as I press the button (although the player with the ball needs about 1sec to react to my command), a defender starts sprinting to the arc. That's just not right. As long as there is no visible indication that a pass will come, defenders shouldn't be able to anticipate that. It wouldn't be half bad if I was actuall able to score in the paint, but I'm not. It's bumping galore down there.

[JaoSming]

sliders sliders sliders

if you feel like the defenders are closing in on you too fast, change the CPU on ball defense one

what gamestyle are you using, Sim? cause if you are, you are going to miss wide-open jumpers with that settings because its realistic. Just because you take an A+ Perfect Release shot doesn't mean the ball will go in on Sim sliders & harder difficulties. The game heavily weighs in ratings and real life shooting percentages on top of release point and quality of shot.

[debiler]

*sigh* I'm just frustrated, ok?

Really, I appreciate what you guys are doing. To be honest, you almost convinced me to give it another go.
I am using sim, yes. And of course, I'm completely fine with missing great shot opportunities. Happens in real life, too. The thing that bugs me the most is that the game doesn't reward smart play, but actually discourages you from exectuing your plays. I'm not a great Isomotion user, so I used to rely on plays and post moves in the past. Which brings me to another point: Why did they take away the hop button? It worked perfectly last year. I just can't seem to hop (LT+RS to the right or left of the basket) when I need to, because I also don't use the shot stick for shooting, only for layups/dunks. I tried so hard to get used to shooting with RS, but it just doesn't feel natural. It's frustrating when you know how to do all those moves, but you just can't pull them off when youneed to.

[debiler]

Starting 2k12 now. I hate you guys...

[JaoSming]

good the evil plan is working

use the shot stick + LT (clutch) to do those signature "hop" moves, but let go of it before the animation finishes, then you can shoot with the button but still get the hop animation except this year you can keep your dribble alive most of the time.

[kAmilli LakeShow]

And 2k12 really detailed it this year, you play REAL basketball.

Best smiley use ever

[debiler]

good the evil plan is working

use the shot stick + LT (clutch) to do those signature "hop" moves, but let go of it before the animation finishes, then you can shoot with the button but still get the hop animation except this year you can keep your dribble alive most of the time.

I know how to do it. But the problem is, whenever I want to do it, I can't do it quickly enough.

Alright, I'm back. WHAT THE FUCK DAMMIT??? I tweaked the sliders (CPU shooting: all to 40, Player shooting all to 50), but it doesn't seem to have any effect whatsoever. I take wide open threes with good shooters, brick. The CPU regularly sinks shots rated D- and worse. WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY??? I play great defense, but no matter what I do, the shots either go in or I block them. When I contest only by raising my arms, it doesn't matter. The shot is rated worse, but still goes in. I'm really pissed.

[JaoSming]

maybe you should play a few games on default sliders and pro difficulty....

[debiler]

maybe you should play a few games on default sliders and pro difficulty....

I'm not playing on pro. It's not that I don't want to be challenged, but this is not a challenge, this is plain cheating.

I'm just wondering if nobody else has that issue. I mean, what's the point of a shot quality indicator if the worst shots hit the target no matter what you do while my guys can't get A quality shots from a player's hot zone to fall? I seriously want to give this game a chance, but so far I haven't found a way to get any enjoyment out of it. I don't mind losing, but this is just ridiculous. I can get steals, blocks and bumps, but whenever a shot goes up, it either hits the target, misses and they get the rebound and convert the 2nd chance, I foul OR very rarely I get the defensive rebound.
And don't get me started on the fastbreaks again. The CPU players are running directly towards the basket, while my guys (if they do run at all, sometimes they just walk! On a fast break!) run to the corners of the field. However, sometimes I do end up with a promising opportunity for a pass, but the passing delay is so freaky that the pass always comes too late. 'Fancy' passing doesn't seem to do anything at all. Lead passing involves the LT. Again, I'm just not skilled with that button when I need to use it quickly. So at least a part of the problems lies with me...

Bullshit, I'm playing one more game.

[JaoSming]

if you aren't willing to change your sliders or difficulty to give the game a better chance, all you're doing is this

good luck with breaking through

[buzzy]

Stop playing basketball and play the video game

I've been told so many times to do otherwise.

[JaoSming]

I think that was the night I ate the egg salad that might have been bad. I meant that to be the other way around and saying finding flaws in the defense....not glitches in the game to take advantage of...

[debiler]

if you aren't willing to change your sliders or difficulty to give the game a better chance, all you're doing is this

good luck with breaking through

Changing the difficulty doesn't fix the issues:

- Passing is still delayed
- CPU defense still rotates too fast
- CPU drives by my players far too easily while I get bumped trying to drive
- Players collapse to the basket, leaving shooters wide open
- Fastbreaks can not be executed properly
- Some moves (like Hop or Spin) are just too hard to pull off

Slider adjustments do help a bit with the scores, but these issues remain.

[Patr1ck]

debiler, I came up with a workaround for the delayed passing. I believe it makes the game a bit more fun, too. It only works in association mode, though. Turn the game speed up to 65, then lower the player speed to 45 or 40. This is done st the controller select screen by pressing the post up/block button. Unfortunately, 2k has never put this feature in the gameplay options.

It speeds up all the animations, while slowing the movement speed back to normal. Much more responsive game, but smaller shot windows for perfect releases.

[debiler]

debiler, I came up with a workaround for the delayed passing. I believe it makes the game a bit more fun, too. It only works in association mode, though. Turn the game speed up to 65, then lower the player speed to 45 or 40. This is done st the controller select screen by pressing the post up/block button. Unfortunately, 2k has never put this feature in the gameplay options.

It speeds up all the animations, while slowing the movement speed back to normal. Much more responsive game, but smaller shot windows for perfect releases.

All right, I'll give it a try. Sounds interesting enough. Cheers!

[Andrew]

This video should be the highest rated video ever.

To echo my previous post, all of Czar's strategy session videos are a must watch.

[debiler]

debiler, I came up with a workaround for the delayed passing. I believe it makes the game a bit more fun, too. It only works in association mode, though. Turn the game speed up to 65, then lower the player speed to 45 or 40. This is done st the controller select screen by pressing the post up/block button. Unfortunately, 2k has never put this feature in the gameplay options.

It speeds up all the animations, while slowing the movement speed back to normal. Much more responsive game, but smaller shot windows for perfect releases.

It worked! Everything is much more fluent now. The timing on everything (passing, blocking, stealing, reaction on D, even shot release) is way better. It feels... natural. Thanks so much! I'm stll trying to find my style on offense, but things are finally looking up!

[debiler]

This video should be the highest rated video ever.

To echo my previous post, all of Czar's strategy session videos are a must watch.

Agree. Now if he didn't have that annoying voice...