Trade Kobe For T-Mac..........ESPN.com

[Vins15]

instertesting in this article it says Kobe might likly be heading to Beantown if he was ever getting traded traded..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=i ... &type=lgns

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Boston. A straight swap of Paul Pierce for Bryant would give the Lakers a star-caliber wing man and a hometown product, to boot. Pierce is not Bryant, and he would be forced to accept a reduced role, but he would benefit from not taking the pounding he subjects himself to in Boston. For the Celtics, Bryant would be a smoother version of Pierce-a better shooter and passer

If Bryant were resigned to a seven-year deal and cleared of all charges in Eagle, Colorado, this might be considered, by Febuary's trade deadline, which can not happen therefore makes it mute and absurd.

Note: Kobe for Pierce, not absurd according to this egghead writer, which means that considering Pierce an even switch for Kobe really says something about the Celtics forward.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

New York. Sending Bryant to the Knicks not only would give him a team that's built around him, it would give him the world's biggest stage. The Knicks would be a playoff lock in the East with Bryant in blue and orange. A deal for Kurt Thomas and Allan Houston (with the Lakers throwing in Kareem Rush and Devean George) would give the Lakers exactly what they would need: a long-range scorer and a hard-nosed backup big man.

Why in the fuck would the Lakers do this crazy trade?
Throw in Kareem Rush and Devean George?
I wouldn't trade Rush and George for Houston!
The Lakers are already throwing in Vanessa Bryant and Katelyn Farber.

Dallas. From a trading standpoint, the Mavericks make sense. Dallas could offer Michael Finley and Steve Nash for Bryant and Derek Fisher. The Mavericks are creative when it comes to transactions, and team owner Mark Cuban is willing to pull the trigger on big deals. None would be bigger than landing Bryant. The distaste Cuban often has expressed for the Lakers, though, is mutual, and these would not be the happiest of dance partners. If the Lakers deal Bryant, it probably would be to an Eastern Conference team.

Chicago. Bryant always has tried to walk in the footsteps of Michael Jordan. Why not take his locker? Chicago is a huge sports market itching for a superstar on the level of Jordan and Walter Payton. The Bulls have the pieces to give up-how about Scottie Pippen, Tyson Chandler and Marcus Fizer? Though it's tough to part with Chandler, the chance of landing Bryant is worth it and, as he would for the Knicks, Bryant surely would punch the Bulls' ticket to the playoffs

This guy is awfully drunk.

[BIG GREEN]

If you don't read the post, how can you judge the facts I present?

I would never debate someone so lazy.

T-Mac 5-20 vs. Knicks, the Magic score 68 points in the loss.

I understand the facts and I have the brains to read.

You believe Tracy McGrady is better and it's you who doesn't bother to budge from your position.

McGrady is another Dominique Wilkins, which is pretty good and fancy, but it not what winning is about, it's only entertainment.

Lazy Thug

Alright Mike Davis aka paul_pierce_the_truth. I didn't bother to read your whole post but im assuming you have presented points to your claim of paul peirce being better

If you're going to dredge into calling me names..thats flammatory and you're crossing the line. Just a warning. Like i said..the debate is over...continuing would only incite more.

How bout we watch both their performances for this season and pick up this debate at the end of the year?

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

If you're going to dredge into calling me names..thats flammatory and you're crossing the line. Just a warning. Like i said..the debate is over...continuing would only incite more.

Give me a break

Oh by the way, I have seen enough of McGrady to know he's Dominique Wilkins at most, not a winner, a leader, an MVP, a champion.

I make good points by comparing McGrady to Pierce and you just duck it by saying junk.

You sir do not decide when and where any discussion ends, if you decide to lock a topic because someone makes a case against your opinion or or warn someone for calling you lazy, that's all just spam.

Thug, Ben, Andrew whomever, I do not care, if you think because you are a member of the site gives you some higher word or something, you sir would be wrong. You can censor a person if you feel like it, but admitting you didn't read a simple post with some graphics then projecting what it says, well sir, that is just plain laziness.

I have gone around this corner before with you thug, do not get all high and mighty with warnings and such, just take your shots like everyone else.

This "who does this guy think he's talking to?" attitude is boring and out of place here. This is a forum, not some job somewhere where you are the boss and I'm some mailroom clerk. I think your warning sucks, I will not back off from saying you're lazy, when you ignore my statements with some stupid shrug.

I know that I am more aware of NBA knowledge than you sir, I know that McGrady is hyped up crap, no different than LeBron James is getting now.
There used to be a time when wins and losses and leadership meant something, now it's dunks and adidas contracts, pure hype!

So what about blowing the 3-1 lead to the Pistons, what about opening his mouth and choking on it?

Dude do not try to intimidate me, do not say things like aka Mike Davis if do not want a person to believe you are being slight, do not throw comments around like they are fact because you say so, like it's so easy to see McGrady and Kobe are better than Pierce, than expect I am going to say nothing and on top of it have you decide you've said what you said and it's the end. Okay so you don't want to talk about it, I understand, big deal, forget it all, but do not get on some high horse like you are smarter or bigger than someone else, from beginning to end you are just some dude in front of his computer just like everyone else.

[BIG GREEN]

If you're going to dredge into calling me names..thats flammatory and you're crossing the line. Just a warning. Like i said..the debate is over...continuing would only incite more.

Give me a break

..um..second and last warning. Leave it be..move on. You seem determined to incite flames and ignore my warning. Keep it on topic.

[Shep]

Top 5 shooting guards in the league:
1. T.McGrady
2. K.Bryant
3. P.Pierce
4. A.Iverson
5. V.Carter

Reasons why McGrady is better than Pierce:
Orlando had no major contributer last season besides Tracy McGrady. Paul Pierce had Antoine Walker beside him for 78 games yet the celtics win only 2 more games. McGrady led a team with Drew Gooden as they're second best player into the playoffs and took the team with the most wins in the conference to 7 games. Lets take a look at regular season statistics:

McGrady-32.1p, 6.5r, 5.5a, 1.65s, .79b, 2.6t
Pierce- 25.9p, 7.3r, 4.4a, 1.76s, .78b, 3.65t

As you can see McGrady absolutely thwarts Pierce in statistics, even though facing double and triple teams every night. Teams design plays just to stop him because they know if they stop McGrady, they stop the Magic.

[Nel]

Paul pierce better than T-MAC. How can it be? From the stats we can see who's better. Don't take walker as an excuse for pierce taking less shots than mcgrady and don't give the crap that orlando blew its 3-1 lead on detroit. Detroit is no.1 on defense and put much taller defenders on mcgrady just to stop him. How about pierce. I've seen him play. He's a player who loves to go the hoop and get fouled. All i can see on his stats is a bunch of freethrows were he usually gets his points. Besides Pierce had more help than mcgrady last season and up to now.

[Divan Santana]

Top 5 shooting guards in the league:
1. T.McGrady
2. K.Bryant
3. P.Pierce
4. A.Iverson
5. V.Carter

You might want to rethink that since THE GM'S of the League voted about 90%for Kobe being the best SG. TMac wasn't even close.

As for TMac, he's brilliant, excellent and all but it doesnt seem like he has winning mentality! He puts up good numbers and has huge talent and potential but doesnt make his players better at all. Orlando is never as bad as he makes out yet they keep losing. Guys like Baron and Kidd are better than him, they are winners and can't stand losing no matter what.

I believe Kobe, Lebron and now it seems VC are the same.

If you look at clutch plays and generally important 4th and 3rd quarters, and important games Kobe generally does alot better. And Paul Pierce is a lot better in that and other regards.

I believe Tmac could be the best but I don't think he's close to that now. No way a MVP as is.

[Swoosh]

The magic should never have gottn rid of D. Armstrong, he was their energizer and their franchise player for what, like eight years(with franchise player i do NOT mean the player where the team is built around, more of a core player who is a symbol of the team, but not necessarily is a star player), though i really like Gooden, they should have held on to mike miller too, he is a sharpshooter and drains 3's when he has to(though this season he aint got it goin' yet),a line up like this

C - Hunter(or one of the big man they have)
PF - Howard
SF - Miller
SG - McGrady
PG - Armstrong/Lue

still looks better imho then it does now, they could actually win a lot of games, but we gotta live in the present dont we

[Shep]

You might want to rethink that since THE GM'S of the League voted about 90%for Kobe being the best SG

do i care what 90% of the GM's think?

Orlando is never as bad as he makes out yet they keep losing.

actually, they are. all they have got is T-Mac. Take denver as an example last year, if you take Juwon Howard and Nene off that roster, whats left would be a team as good as orlando without McGrady.

Guys like Baron and Kidd are better than him, they are winners and can't stand losing no matter what.

umm it helps when you've got major contributers such as Jamal Mashburn, PJ Brown, J. Magloire and David Wesley (Davis) and Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson (Kidd). if McGrady was surrounded by such talent, you'd see him winning more than these respective teams are now.

believe Kobe, Lebron and now it seems VC are the same.

yes, after 3 games LeBron is the same as Kobe

No way a MVP as is.

who's saying he's mvp? Kevin Garnett should've been MVP last year

[EGarrett]

If the deal went through...Orlando would get worse. Right now McGrady is better than Kobe because of their understanding of the game. In these last few years being the only option in Orlando...he's learned about what it takes to be a leader and to make your teammates better. It's the same lesson and situation that forced Jordan to become so great. T-Mac knows that he needs help now to accomplish something in this league...so he'd be ready and willing to sacrifice some of his own stats for victories. Kobe is the opposite. In his years on the Lakers he's learned nothing but how to be disruptive to a winning team. Kobe wants to be alone now...so it'll take years before he learns the lessons that T-Mac has.

Kobe might be the more skilled of the two, and he might always have more rings because of the situation both have been in..but as far as understanding of the game...I think T-Mac has the edge because of the role he's played on Orlando. If McGrady were on the Lakers they'd likely get no problems out of him because he's had his individual glory...meanwhile the Magic would have to deal with a disruptive gunner who made his teammates worse...and they'd be in for more years of first round exits while their star learned all over again that he can't do it alone.

[scubilete]

Right now McGrady is better than Kobe because of their understanding of the game.

That's still waiting to be proven. Kobe has shown everyone he's better by stats, especially when he can avg. 30 + ppg with other guys avg. over 20 + ppg at the same time. Something T-Mac still hasn't shown he's able to. I expect whoever who doesn't share the ball like T-Mac to avg at least 35 or 40 ppg, look at MJ in his years.

I admit both of them are selfish (T-mac & Kobe) but still T-Mac had nobody else on his team avg. over 20 ppg last season and they were at the same level. Meaning Kobe managed himself to be there while having to let Shaq gets his 25+, sure Shaq was injured but he didn't miss 70 games, he played most of the games.

The trade sounds fool, Kobe would avg. 40 + ppg in Orlando like he did while Shaq was out of shape in Jan-Feb.

[Dramacydal]

Kevin Garnett should've been MVP last year

word up

[EGarrett]

That's still waiting to be proven. Kobe has shown everyone he's better by stats, especially when he can avg. 30 + ppg with other guys avg. over 20 + ppg at the same time. Something T-Mac still hasn't shown he's able to. I expect whoever who doesn't share the ball like T-Mac to avg at least 35 or 40 ppg, look at MJ in his years.

That argument doesn't hold much water. Tracy is double-teamed constantly in Orlando......Kobe always has Shaq drawing the attention. When Shaq was out early last year...Kobe averaged 27 ppg.

I also have the feeling you didn't read beyond the first two lines of my post.

[Jay-Peso]

T-MAC shares the ball way to much. If you have read his assists, you would realize what a team player he really is.

[Clinton]

I don't know why people bother starting threads about a possible trade of Bryant for McGrady, all it turns into is a debate over who is better, then you get people trying to put Vince Carter, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen on TMac and Kobe's level. Your just asking for trouble.

[Jackal]

*sigh* 1) The trade won't happen, 2) Those other guards dont match upto Bryant and McGrady.

[scubilete]

T-MAC shares the ball way to much. If you have read his assists, you would realize what a team player he really is

Assists have much to do with a team player but it's not all, some guys can give a bunch of assists (find open teammates) without being a team player or play for the best of his team. T-mac & Kobe steal the ball and they prefer to go against 4 def. guys bfore passing the ball to an open teammate, that's not being a team player.

Tracy is double-teamed constantly in Orlando

Really?, so T-mac gets constant double teams, meaning other guys are open, are you trying to find an excuse why T-mac doesn't avg 40 while being a selfish player?, lol. I don't see any team double-teamming T-mac, Detroit didn't do it last year in the playoffs, nobody does cause obviously that would open up the offense for other guys & trust me Orlando has other guys who can score. Sure T-mac is superman but yet he thinks he is alone in the court & goes against anyone, something good about it is determination, something bad about that is this is a team game. Double teamming T-mac in the other hand would be the most stupid idea any coach can come up with & thanks god none of them have done it.

Kobe always has Shaq drawing the attention.

Kobe doesn't use the attention Shaq draws on other teams, it's obvious Shaq gets a lot of attention but never from the guy who is guarding Kobe. Plus double teamming Kobe would be stupid as well.

When Shaq was out early last year...Kobe averaged 27 ppg.

29.4 to be exactly & I didn't say when Shaq was out but out of shape, still in Jan-Feb when he tied Jordan record of most consecutive 40+ games & avg. 40+ in a whole month span.

I also have the feeling you didn't read beyond the first two lines of my post.

I didn't have the intention of quoting the whole thing but that particular note you wrote. Beyond the first 2 lines of your post, that's just your opinion and I'm not going to do anything to make you think that's wrong, that's why I said a trade like that sounds fool, the Lakers don't need T-mac at all, and while you think Kobe would have to learn to play for the team in Orlando, there's no better example than T-mac for that who is still learning while Kobe has that already set. Also T-mac can't replace Kobe in the Lakers, T-mac is determined to be the one shooting most on his team, Kobe in the other hand knows his role & understands the main guy in the Lakers is Shaq.

For those who think Kobe is leaving the Lakers, sometimes money is a lot for these guys, Kobe is being compared with the great ones with the Lakers while being a winner, meaning he doesn't need to go to some other team to show how great he is, the Lakers can pay him as much as he desires by law, I don't think Kobe will go for a huge pay cut to play in a new team just to prove he can do it alone, something he knows he can't. Every winner understand they need help from his teammates, you can't blame Kobe being a winner cause he has Shaq cause every great winner has had their 2nd hand.

[Nel]

How can you say that kobe knows his role on the lakers while shaq is complaining about not getting the ball which is kobes role. Hey this is the first time i've read an opinion that says double teaming the league's leading scorer is stupid.

[scubilete]

How can you say that kobe knows his role on the lakers while shaq is complaining about not getting the ball which is kobes role.

Shaq was not complaining about anything, he was saying Kobe should take care of his injury & pass the ball instead of going hard to the basket & hurt himself, that's what a wise player would do. Also you should notice that was in practice, not real games, yet I don't see anyone complaining about winning.

Hey this is the first time i've read an opinion that says double teaming the league's leading scorer is stupid.

Make sure to read it once again so you don't get surprised when people tell you it's useless to double team swingmen who are not post up players. This is the first time I read an opinion of a surprised guy who believes double teamming T-mac & leaving other killing scorers alone it's a great thing to do. Also, T-mac is not the league scoring leader.

The double team is designed for those who are near the basket, you rarely will see any team double teamming a scorer floating the 3 pt line or 18 ft away from the basket, if they do it's cause it's a close game (obviously not constantly) & they are in the last few minutes, trying to steal the ball, I'm not here to teach you basketball. From approx. 4-5 games T-mac has played, 2 against the Knicks, I watched those & didn't see double teams on T-mac, the result was great, one win & one close lost. Guys who get constant double teams are post up players who are near the basket, opposite teams need to avoid these players to score easily from there. They would let T-mac shoot a 3 rather letting Gooden take it inside.

[LeBron James]

Kevin Garnett should've been MVP last year

word up

haha!thats not true,because KG even cant bring his team into second round,he is every year-one round guy.

[Dramacydal]

Kevin Garnett should've been MVP last year

word up

haha!thats not true,because KG even cant bring his team into second round,he is every year-one round guy.

how wackis that? mvp is 4 regular season and he was better than tim duncan anyway, fuck the fact he couldnt make the 2nd round with his team, tim duncan had the better playas around him

[EGarrett]

Shaq was not complaining about anything, he was saying Kobe should take care of his injury & pass the ball instead of going hard to the basket & hurt himself, that's what a wise player would do. Also you should notice that was in practice, not real games, yet I don't see anyone complaining about winning.

So you're saying...with a straight face...that Shaq never complains about not getting the ball in the Laker's offense.

Make sure to read it once again so you don't get surprised when people tell you it's useless to double team swingmen who are not post up players. This is the first time I read an opinion of a surprised guy who believes double teamming T-mac & leaving other killing scorers alone it's a great thing to do. Also, T-mac is not the league scoring leader.

And Tracy McGrady never posts-up? And when he isolates teams don't send big men from the weak side across the lane to stand outside the paint and wait for him?

And you know what he meant when he referred to T-mac as the league scoring leader...all you're doing by nitpicking is being irritating...which turns discussions into flames. So don't do that...

I don't know why people bother starting threads about a possible trade of Bryant for McGrady, all it turns into is a debate over who is better, then you get people trying to put Vince Carter, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen on TMac and Kobe's level. Your just asking for trouble.

That's true...but as long as the discussion remains civil it's okay to have a little debate every now and then. I'll keep things in check.

[Jay-Peso]

Shaq was not complaining about anything, he was saying Kobe should take care of his injury & pass the ball instead of going hard to the basket & hurt himself, that's what a wise player would do. Also you should notice that was in practice, not real games, yet I don't see anyone complaining about winning.

So you're saying...with a straight face...that Shaq never complains about not getting the ball in the Laker's offense.

Make sure to read it once again so you don't get surprised when people tell you it's useless to double team swingmen who are not post up players. This is the first time I read an opinion of a surprised guy who believes double teamming T-mac & leaving other killing scorers alone it's a great thing to do. Also, T-mac is not the league scoring leader.

And Tracy McGrady never posts-up? And when he isolates teams don't send big men from the weak side across the lane to stand outside the paint and wait for him?

And Rens...you know what he meant when he referred to T-mac as the league scoring leader...all you're doing by nitpicking is being irritating...which turns discussions into flames. So don't do that...

I don't know why people bother starting threads about a possible trade of Bryant for McGrady, all it turns into is a debate over who is better, then you get people trying to put Vince Carter, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen on TMac and Kobe's level. Your just asking for trouble.

That's true...but as long as the discussion remains civil it's okay to have a little debate every now and then. I'll keep things in check.

Let's keep this on topic and civil!