KG Trade a "Done Deal"

[NovU]

If the trade does go through, KG, Pierce and Allen on the same team sounds completely ridiculous; however, looking at the rest of team, it's hard to say if this team is championship material. They are missing two key components: PG and C.

The Nets do not have a dominant big as the Celtics do with Garnett, but the Celtics are also lacking a good point guard

i have to say i disagree. might be true boston isn't championship material but i don't think good pg is always needed to be a championship contender.

while good pgs can make team better, good teams also can make good pgs, and sometimes even overrated pgs.

[Sauru]

first of all, why the hell is anyone talking about next years draft in a kg to boston thread?

anyway, i would pit the big 3 of boston vs any other big 3 in the league and be happy with what boston has now. i heard the question asked as to who will lead the team in scoring, i think on average pierce will have the highest as he will control the ball the most but anyone can easily score a ton on any night. a inside out of garnett and allen alone is really good. great inside player with maybe the best shooter in the game, add pierce to that with his shooting and ability to get to the hoop and the celtics look to be the team in the east.

its true the celtics are trading away alot but with the exception of jefferson i am not sad to see any of the others go, or lose a draft pick that with kg will be in the 20's anyway. telfair already was not gonna play in boston next season so who cares about him. ratliff is nothing but trade bait anyway so again, who cares. that leaves green who i actually wanted to trade now while he still has some stock left to him. i dont see him turning into the player people, myself included, thought he would be. so in my mind that leaves kg for jefferson and since jefferson wont hit his peak imo for another few seasons, when pierce and allen would not be that much help, i am very happy with the deal. jefferson might come up huge next season for the wolves but he wouldnt in boston, not being option number 3.

i have heard arguements already about "not being enough balls to go around". kg has never been a selfish player so thats no worry. allen will receive soooooo many open shots due to pierce and kg that he will be just fine. the question is pierce. i still see pierce as being the main shot taker, and this is what he wanted. he asked for this and now he got it. if his average has to drop a little just to reach the finals i believe he will be ok with it. none of these 3 really ever had a legit chance at a title, now they do.

also when i first saw that rondo was also part of the deal i started to not like it, glad to keep him. as is i see this honestly as win/win. the wolves will go no where with kg and now they have one of the top 3 young big men in the game, imo. add that with all the cap space they got for next season and they are looking good. as for the celtics they got excitement back right away, chance to be somewhere they have not been in a long time, and in a few years when its over, we can rebuild from scratch as the big 3 are all right around the same age(29,31,32 i believe).

[maes]

And i present the executive of the year award to...a guy i never would have expected to.

(side comment: this is why you gamble on big men. If Ainge drafted a good SG/SF instead of a good PF/C like Al J, the KG trade would never have happened).

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although, i'm bit worried that prime days of those veterans might be well behind

I disagree. Aging (from 30-35) IMO is overrated in terms of player production.

Look at nowadays "aging" veterans:

Jason Kidd (34) - 13.0 PPG | 8.2 RPG | 9.2 APG | 1.6 SPG
Vince Carter (30) - 25.2 PPG | 6.0 RPG | 4.8 APG | 1.0 SPG
Kevin Garnett (31) - 22.4 PPG | 12.8 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.7 BPG
Tim Duncan (31) - 20.0 PPG | 10.6 RPG | 3.4 APG | 2.4 BPG
Steve Nash (33) - 18.6 PPG | 3.5 RPG | 11.6 APG | 0.8 SPG
Paul Pierce (29) - 25.0 PPG | 5.9 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.0 SPG
Allen Iverson (32) - 26.3 PPG | 3.0 RPG | 7.2 APG | 1.9 SPG
Ray Allen (32) - 26.4 PPG | 4.5 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.5 SPG
Chauncey Billups (30) - 17.0 PPG | 3.5 RPG | 7.2 APG | 1.2 SPG

All these guys (bar Pierce) are at or over 30 years old, and still putting up superstar numbers.

I think the trade was great for both teams, and Danny Ainge finally did something right. He got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, two of the very best players in the league for Al Jefferson, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Jeff Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a couple of low first round draft picks.

Gerald Green has the tools but so far hasn't done much at all. Jefferson is promising but will most likely never reach Garnett level. Szczerbiak is a solid player, but has a big contract and Ray Allen does everything he does but better. Telfair has tools like Green but hasn't done anything. Delonte West is just an average player. Theo Ratliff was an expiring contract and not much else. Jeff Green could become a good player, but he is an unkown as of now. The first round picks are likely very low, resulting in fringe players/role players.

Nice trade(s).

[maceo24]

Ah, but he did draft a "good" sg/sf. His name was gerald green, and other than winning the dunk contest last year... lol.


If the Zach-Eddie thing goes as planned, Isiah Thomas will get consideration. Is one HELL of an if though.

Keeping Rondo makes me seriously scared of the celtics this year. They just need a point guard with some experience to set the tempo of the offense.

[Sauru]

And i present the executive of the year award to...a guy i never would have expected to.

(side comment: this is why you gamble on big men. If Ainge drafted a good SG/SF instead of a good PF/C like Al J, the KG trade would never have happened).

its funny really, when ainge first made the allen deal so many boston fans wanted his head, myself included. i later warmed to the deal and liked it and stated it would be really good if they made a good follow up trade. now we got the follow up trade and ainge suddenly looks like a hero.

i know what you mean with the big man vs sg/sf. dome a dozen now a days while a big man who can score,rebound, and actually defend, thats something special

[el badman]

Look at nowadays "aging" veterans:

Jason Kidd (34) - 13.0 PPG | 8.2 RPG | 9.2 APG | 1.6 SPG
Vince Carter (30) - 25.2 PPG | 6.0 RPG | 4.8 APG | 1.0 SPG
Kevin Garnett (31) - 22.4 PPG | 12.8 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.7 BPG
Tim Duncan (31) - 20.0 PPG | 10.6 RPG | 3.4 APG | 2.4 BPG
Steve Nash (33) - 18.6 PPG | 3.5 RPG | 11.6 APG | 0.8 SPG
Paul Pierce (29) - 25.0 PPG | 5.9 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.0 SPG
Allen Iverson (32) - 26.3 PPG | 3.0 RPG | 7.2 APG | 1.9 SPG
Ray Allen (32) - 26.4 PPG | 4.5 RPG | 4.1 APG | 1.5 SPG
Chauncey Billups (30) - 17.0 PPG | 3.5 RPG | 7.2 APG | 1.2 SPG

Goddamn, is Garnett 31 already???
Can't believe he's older than Pierce and almost as old as Ray Allen....Time sure does fly by...

[maes]

Just to pour salt in some wounds, here are a list of teams that could have drafted Al Jefferson, and theoretically put together a similar package for KG (excepting Orlando & Charlotte who picked very solid bigs anyway, Dwight & Emeka), and who they picked instead:

Chicago - Ben Gordon
Clippers - Shaun Livingston
Mavericks - Devin Harris
Atlanta - Josh Childress
Chicago - Luol Deng
Toronto - Raphael Araujo
Philly - Andre Iguodala
Cleveland - Luke Jackson
Golden State - Andris Biedrins
Portland - Sebastian Telfair
Utah - Kris Humphries

[maceo24]

Gotta take Chicago out of that list. Do you really think they're unhappy with how Deng and Gordon turned out?

Philly too, Andre is a beast and just about ready to be an all-star, if he isnt already.

[Andrew]

I disagree. Aging (from 30-35) IMO is overrated in terms of player production.

Absolutely. It's a gamble that the Celtics can't really pass up, even if it does mean parting with a promising young big like Al Jefferson. I think talk of a title is jumping the gun but a three headed monster of KG, Pierce and Allen is quite imposing to say the least.

From Minnesota's point of view it's probably the best swap available that doesn't involve a marquee player coming in return. I'm still surprised to see it go down though as there's been no word of KG demanding a trade and it seemed as though the Timberwolves were committed to stay the course with Garnett as their franchise player.

[Anthony15]

Gotta take Chicago out of that list. Do you really think they're unhappy with how Deng and Gordon turned out?

Philly too, Andre is a beast and just about ready to be an all-star, if he isnt already.

Take out Mavs also. Harris is a good fit for Dallas.

That's good to hear that KG is out of Minny, one less opponent to worry about in NW Division like they caused much threat to the Nuggets anyways

[maceo24]

Gotta take Chicago out of that list. Do you really think they're unhappy with how Deng and Gordon turned out?

Philly too, Andre is a beast and just about ready to be an all-star, if he isnt already.

Take out Mavs also. Harris is a good fit for Dallas.

That's good to hear that KG is out of Minny, one less opponent to worry about in NW Division like they caused much threat to the Nuggets anyways

True.. lol Rafael Araujo. Where the hell is he anyway?

[Silas]

Saura, I think you will come to realize just how good of a player Ray Allen is. He doesn't get much national coverage so Maes and I are just about the only guys that get to see him on a regular basis, and he's a lot better than people think.

As far as aging, I think you'll have to worry more with KG and Paul Pierce than Allen, because as I've said many times before, he has the best jump shot on the league to fall back onto, and just like Reggie Miller, he'll continue solid production even into his later years. Granted I don't think any of these guys are likely to decline in the next two years , they are all solid players that can adapt to new situations and play great team ball.

I'm very, very excited to see where this goes. The only problem is that, as many have said, they don't have a lot of depth, which means that they aren't going to have a lot of options to trade for a solid PG. Maybe they can use their MLE to sign Brevin Knight if it isn't already in use, who knows. Personally I hope Knight goes the Sonics though.

[Sauru]

Gotta take Chicago out of that list. Do you really think they're unhappy with how Deng and Gordon turned out?

Philly too, Andre is a beast and just about ready to be an all-star, if he isnt already.

Take out Mavs also. Harris is a good fit for Dallas.

That's good to hear that KG is out of Minny, one less opponent to worry about in NW Division like they caused much threat to the Nuggets anyways

wrong wrong wrong. mavs and bulls would both kill for a player who could score down low. i guarentee either of them would instantly trade thier pick for jefferson straight up. you got the soft mavs who get bullied but guys half a foot shorter and the bulls who only lack a insider and they are on thier way to the finals. both those teams belong right there on that list


edit: silas, i agree with you on allen. infact i was at first worried about him wearing down, not now. you see before he was gonna have to do alot for us to win, now all he really has to do is sit into a shooter role. let kg and pierce handle the ball, defense comes, hey look we got the best shooter in the nba all alone over there aint that nice. the only thing i truely worry about with him is his defense. i only wish we had a good center to play with kg, no one amazing, just defensively sound. then allens defensive faults would not bother me at all.

[LakersRule24]

Where's riot?

[maceo24]

the bulls wouldnt be the team they are without the defensive versatility of Deng. yes theyd love a PF, but Deng is shaping up to be the most well rounded, textbook SF to come into the league in a while. Allstar written all over his game.

Allen is a serviceable defender. Now that he doesnt NEED to score 26 to keep his team competitive, he'll play harder on the defensive end. As for the C, wheres Keon Clark when you need him? Right now, a blowup doll of Robert Parrish would intimidate me more than Kendrick "Sloth" Perkins would.

[BigKaboom2]

I'm not even very excited, to be honest. This just feels like 03-04 Lakers again - lots of talent and questionable chemistry. I think I would rather have Jefferson and Gomes back but I'm not quite sure yet.

And I want to go make the trade in NBA 2k7, but it's going to leave me with barely a starting lineup for the Celtics!

[magius]

Where's riot?

therapy.

[The Other Kevin]

Hello all,

So anyway I am playing a custom team (redrafted all of the modern NBA players) and I had the fifth pick overall.

But I didn't like the fact that my squad was a bit young. So I put on my GM suit and went to work.

After all was said and done...I came out with a DREAM starting 5 for any short-term franchisee.

C - Kendrick Perkins, 22yrs old
PF - Ryan Gomes ,24 yrs old
SF - Paul Pierce, 29 yrs old
SG - Ray Allen, 31 yrs old
PG - Kevin Garnett, 30 yrs old

Yeah, I let KG play his "natural" possition. Besides, this way he overpowers other PG's.

The problem with my team though is my bench, which consists of Brian Scalabrine, Leon Powe and other future NBA prospects.

But that all doesnt matter...I am still scratching my head...on why the computer let me have such a dominating and impressive starting 5.

I am good for the next 3 seasons at least with those 5. Then I can work on my bench in that time span.

Anyway, Im thinking of starting over because I feel real bad about what I did to a machine that does not take into account CURRENT VALUE.

Anyone else here feel bad about ripping off the computer?

If the PG was Yao, we'd be talking here.



I think that this might be the Shaq-in-04 deal all over again, but Danny Ainge isn't stupid enough to do any deal like that. I have total trust in him.


Where the fuck is Riot, anyway? I haven't seen him on AIM is a couple of weeks. Hope he lives through this deal.

[kelpie]

The Celts will definitely get better but still stay far from becoming a contender. They will lose 4 very solid players in exchange for KG and become very vulnerable - imagine one or two of this trio gets injured - the team becomes weaker than any other team. It's like 3 superstars with almost no role players at all. Plus I believe nor Pierce neither Allen are true leaders by any means, they are just scoring machines. It will be up to KG to carry them but I believe the team will fall short of their title dreams. On the other hand - if the team develops solid supporting cast over the next year or two, they will be a real threat.

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Well, heres the roster after the final trade, including last seasons stats:

C - Kendrick Perkins (5/5/1)
PF - Kevin Garnett (22/13/4)
SF - Paul Pierce (25/6/4)
SG - Ray Allen (26/5/4)
PG - Rajon Rondo (6/4/4)
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6th - Tony Allen (12/4/2)
7th - Leon Powe (4/3/1)
8th - Brian Scalabrine (4/2/1)

Looks pretty damn empty, however, a couple free agents here and there and it could be a whole lot nicer looking, eg:

C - Kendrick Perkins (5/5/1)
PF - Kevin Garnett (22/13/4)
SF - Paul Pierce (25/6/4)
SG - Ray Allen (26/5/4)
PG - Rajon Rondo (6/4/4)
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6th - Tony Allen (12/4/2)
7th - Brevin Knight (9/3/7)
8th - James Posey (8/5/1)
9th - Leon Powe (4/3/1)
10th - Brian Scalabrine (4/2/1)

I see a breakout year from Rondo, and possibly Perkins due to all the pressure needed to be put on the big three. Rondo I believe could average around 8 assists, 6-7 boards and around 13 points. Great all round numbers for a sophomore point gaurd. Perkins, maybe 8-9 points per.

Definately looks good on paper, in the East.

[Ty-Land]

They need to bring in another veteran big as well. Someone like Skinner would be perfect, as he can defend the bigger guys and is solid on the boards. Other option could be Dale Davis or Malik Allen. If they can't land Knight, maybe they can get Boykins. I'm not sure who else on the market is a real help for them. They do have the full MLE and BAE to work with though, so they should have enough veteran help by season starts.

Have they given up Gomes as well? I have read that he is included and that he is not. He could be a very valuable bench player for them at 4/3. Gomes and Tony Allen could be very important players on the bench, playing solid D, hitting open shots and getting boards.

[-Young Buck-]

I wonder if this deal will help free agents sign there. Boykins, Varajou, Petrius, and others could take a 1 year low salary deal to put together a championship team.

[zmac]

I agree with Shannon. A couple additions here and there can make this team more complete, but I dont see it happening, plus every championship team almost always has good role players.
Tony Allen, Leon Powe, Glen Davis dont scream good role players to me.

Minnesota is gonna be a sweet team to watch over the next couple of years. Foye-Al-Mccants-Brewer-Green-Gomes, wow!

Also, the NW division is absolutely beastly now in terms of youth, Portland, Minnesota, Seattle, Utah, Denver! Every team in there are based around their young players bar Iverson.

[NovU]

if the trio can keep it up and play like in prime, they will be the contender in east whether or not, how deep roster is
or if they start to fade and decline, KG will join barkley malone(season mvp w/o ring) club
KG never had a good temmate other than latrell sprewell back in 03-05 so how he'll mix with superstars like allen & pierce is a question too