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[LakersRule24]

Kwame is a BAD defender? If anything, he is the best post defender in the league.

Yeah, right before Vitaly Potapenko

Obviously you don't watch Laker games.

He is one of those few players that can defend power players like Shaq and still have the foot speed to guard a player like KG or Duncan. If you say Camby or Ben Wallace is a better post defender than Kwame is, then you're wrong. You don't see players try to challenge Kwame in the air for a layup, you don't see players posterizing him. It's his intimidation and his strength. He's one of the strongest players in the league.

The only reason you see experts and analysts neglect him is because he doesn't block shots or steal the ball or play well as an overall basketball player. Even Stoudemire said that Kwame is like a 300 pound player whenever in the paint.

He's had success in the past against Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett, arguably the elite big men of the league.

[el badman]

Obviously you don't watch Laker games.

Unfortunately I've actually seen too many, including going to the Staples Center...

You don't see players try to challenge Kwame in the air for a layup, you don't see players posterizing him. It's his intimidation and his strength. He's one of the strongest players in the league.

Yeah, I wonder how many dunks Stoudemire threw down on him in the playoffs...Because he's a strong player doesn't mean that he's a great post defender. He doesn't have the presence and timing of Duncan for example.
I don't think you're being objective here, there's no way Kwame Brown can be considered as the "best post defender in the league"...

[Its_asdf]

Now if only he didn't foul every 8 seconds and have cement bricks for hands maybe he'd be a decent basketball player... So he might be the best post defender on the planet, but he doesn't really get that much of a chance because he's always picking up fouls so often.

[Andrew]

Can the Lakers trade Kobe and get a a guy like Gordon and then use the new caproom to get a free agent like Billups?

They wouldn't have cap room. Kobe for Gordon straight up wouldn't work, if the Bulls were to acquire Kobe they'd need to match his contract meaning the Lakers would still be in a similar situation as far as they payroll is concerned. The only difference is a similar amount of money would be divided amongst a few players instead of being paid to just one.

[maes]

He's had success in the past against Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett, arguably the elite big men of the league.

I must have missed that as Amare scored 24+ ppg at 55% in the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PF0Vizl ... ed&search=

0:08: Kwame doesn't even jump for a rebound on a missed Phoenix shot, Steve NASH grabs on offensive board drops it into Amare who dunks uncontested while Kwame tries for a steal.

0:47: Kwame tries to front Amare (or something) but doesn't really body him, Nash just throws a pass through him, Kwame again tries for a steal, again Amare dunks uncontested.

1:05: Kwame is guarding Nash for some reason, probably switched on a pick, Nash passes out to the perimeter, Kwame is looking at the bench or audience, Nash runs out to the 3 point line. By the time Kwame starts moving the 3 pointer is already in.

1:28: Kwame gets caugh in a pick & roll trying to guard Nash by the half court line. They're like 10' beyond the 3 point arc..why is Kwame trying to guard Nash out there? Anyway Nash just dumps the ball to Diaw, guarded by Smush, bucket & 1 for Diaw.

1:39: Nash gives the ball to Diaw at the 3 point line, Kwame is guading him. Diaw drives right, instead of just blocking Diaw or bodying him, Kwame tries to steal the ball, he fails (obviously) and Diaw just floats in for a layup.

Phoenix wins, Kwame's monster defense on Amare held him to 21 points and 21 rebounds.

[LakersRule24]

I must have missed that as Amare scored 24+ ppg at 55% in the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PF0Vizl ... ed&search=

0:08: Kwame doesn't even jump for a rebound on a missed Phoenix shot, Steve NASH grabs on offensive board drops it into Amare who dunks uncontested while Kwame tries for a steal.

0:47: Kwame tries to front Amare (or something) but doesn't really body him, Nash just throws a pass through him, Kwame again tries for a steal, again Amare dunks uncontested.

1:05: Kwame is guarding Nash for some reason, probably switched on a pick, Nash passes out to the perimeter, Kwame is looking at the bench or audience, Nash runs out to the 3 point line. By the time Kwame starts moving the 3 pointer is already in.

1:28: Kwame gets caugh in a pick & roll trying to guard Nash by the half court line. They're like 10' beyond the 3 point arc..why is Kwame trying to guard Nash out there? Anyway Nash just dumps the ball to Diaw, guarded by Smush, bucket & 1 for Diaw.

1:39: Nash gives the ball to Diaw at the 3 point line, Kwame is guading him. Diaw drives right, instead of just blocking Diaw or bodying him, Kwame tries to steal the ball, he fails (obviously) and Diaw just floats in for a layup.

Phoenix wins, Kwame's monster defense on Amare held him to 21 points and 21 rebounds.

You also forgot he had a bum ankle and a bum shoulder at the time. Didn't he get surgery on both his ankle and shoulder this year?

[LakersRule24]

Yeah, I wonder how many dunks Stoudemire threw down on him in the playoffs...Because he's a strong player doesn't mean that he's a great post defender. He doesn't have the presence and timing of Duncan for example.
I don't think you're being objective here, there's no way Kwame Brown can be considered as the "best post defender in the league"...

And I wonder how many times Nash goes on a pick and roll, then see Kwame come over because of Smush's lazy ass rotating defense, then see Stoudemire get the ball to the basket and dunks the ball with Kwame rotating back.

He's not just a strong player, he's also one of the quickest big men in the league.

[Carmo]

Slightly off topic....weejontee who is that chick in your picture!?

[el badman]

You also forgot he had a bum ankle and a bum shoulder at the time. Didn't he get surgery on both his ankle and shoulder this year?

So basically, Kwame is the best post player in the league but no one knows it because he's been injured so much along the years, right?

[LakersRule24]

You also forgot he had a bum ankle and a bum shoulder at the time. Didn't he get surgery on both his ankle and shoulder this year?

So basically, Kwame is the best post player in the league but no one knows it because he's been injured so much along the years, right?

When healthy, he is easily the best post defender in the league.

[Christopherson]

Answer me one thing, if Kwame is such a good defender, then why do his opponents have such a high PER when playing against him? It seems every time someone matches up against Kwame they turn into an all-star.

[LakersRule24]

Using opponent's PER as a measurestick as to how a player plays defense is so dumb and useless, it should not be used at all. It's extremely misleading, as it does not take into account pick and rolls, perimeter defense, break down of the team defense, and the type of defense the team uses. Otherwise, I can go and say Iverson is a better defender than Billups or that Vujacic is a better defender than Iguodala.

[maes]

So Kwame is a great defender unless a team runs a pick & roll? That's a little ridiculous, it's the most common play in basketball and usually the #1 option for many teams.

If a player doesn't know what to do on a pick & roll he's not a great defender, period. Even people who just play pick up ball know the options to defending a pick & roll.

[Axel]

You can't argue with stupid.

[LakersRule24]

Which is why I said Kwame is the best POST defender, not overall defender. When a team runs a pick and roll, it still takes teamwork to defend it, Smush is so horrible defensively that Kwame has to shade over to the PG a bit, that's an automatic score for the opposition. And is iverson a better defnder than Billups, is Vujacic a better defender than Iguadala.

[Sauru]

Slightly off topic....weejontee who is that chick in your picture!?

i have been asking this for awhile now, still no answer lol

[Carmo]

Slightly off topic....weejontee who is that chick in your picture!?

i have been asking this for awhile now, still no answer lol

lol, I've wondered for a while, just never asked till now.

[Christopherson]

Using opponent's PER as a measurestick as to how a player plays defense is so dumb and useless, it should not be used at all. It's extremely misleading, as it does not take into account pick and rolls, perimeter defense, break down of the team defense, and the type of defense the team uses. Otherwise, I can go and say Iverson is a better defender than Billups or that Vujacic is a better defender than Iguodala.

It may not be perfect, but good post defenders do not allow their opposition to be that efficient, period.

[LakersRule24]

Using opponent's PER as a measurestick as to how a player plays defense is so dumb and useless, it should not be used at all. It's extremely misleading, as it does not take into account pick and rolls, perimeter defense, break down of the team defense, and the type of defense the team uses. Otherwise, I can go and say Iverson is a better defender than Billups or that Vujacic is a better defender than Iguodala.

It may not be perfect, but good post defenders do not allow their opposition to be that efficient, period.

One on one in the post, Kwame is the best post defender in the league. Unfortunately, players that he guards scores points on him only because of the poor team defense on pick and rolls. That's why he has success against players such as Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett who play one on one but not against players like Amare who lives his points off pick and rolls and penentration.

[LakersRule24]

Using opponent's PER as a measurestick as to how a player plays defense is so dumb and useless, it should not be used at all. It's extremely misleading, as it does not take into account pick and rolls, perimeter defense, break down of the team defense, and the type of defense the team uses. Otherwise, I can go and say Iverson is a better defender than Billups or that Vujacic is a better defender than Iguodala.

It may not be perfect, but good post defenders do not allow their opposition to be that efficient, period.

One on one in the post, Kwame is the best post defender in the league. Unfortunately, players that he guards scores points on him only because of the poor team defense on pick and rolls. That's why he has success against players such as Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett who play one on one but not against players like Amare who lives his points off pick and rolls and penentration.

[Sauru]

no need to even argue if kwame is a good defender or not, clearly he is not a big time defender. only the most blinded laker fan boy would ever think that kwame is the best post defender in the nba. this thread once was pretty good now its just 1 stupid person saying dumb things and then people like me gotta come in here and set him straight (maes is doing as much better job than i am btw).

[LakersRule24]

Using opponent's PER as a measurestick as to how a player plays defense is so dumb and useless, it should not be used at all. It's extremely misleading, as it does not take into account pick and rolls, perimeter defense, break down of the team defense, and the type of defense the team uses. Otherwise, I can go and say Iverson is a better defender than Billups or that Vujacic is a better defender than Iguodala.

It may not be perfect, but good post defenders do not allow their opposition to be that efficient, period.

One on one in the post, Kwame is the best post defender in the league. Unfortunately, players that he guards scores points on him only because of the poor team defense on pick and rolls. That's why he has success against players such as Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett who play one on one but not against players like Amare who lives his points off pick and rolls and penentration.

[el badman]

One on one in the post, Kwame is the best post defender in the league. Unfortunately, players that he guards scores points on him only because of the poor team defense on pick and rolls.

That makes a whole lot of sense now that you put it like that
Nice triple post by the way

[LakersRule24]

no need to even argue if kwame is a good defender or not, clearly he is not a big time defender. only the most blinded laker fan boy would ever think that kwame is the best post defender in the nba. this thread once was pretty good now its just 1 stupid person saying dumb things and then people like me gotta come in here and set him straight (maes is doing as much better job than i am btw).

I've been to many basketball forums and many of them agree Kwame is one of the best post defenders in the league.

One on one in the post, Kwame is the best post defender in the league. Unfortunately, players that he guards scores points on him only because of the poor team defense on pick and rolls.

That makes a whole lot of sense now that you put it like that
Nice triple post by the way

I double posted since I didn't feel like editing my post because the forums are running so slow since the change. And that's why I said POST defender, not the best overall post defender. Should've been more specific next time.

[[Q]]

no need to even argue if kwame is a good defender or not, clearly he is not a big time defender. only the most blinded laker fan boy would ever think that kwame is the best post defender in the nba. this thread once was pretty good now its just 1 stupid person saying dumb things and then people like me gotta come in here and set him straight (maes is doing as much better job than i am btw).

I've been to many basketball forums and many of them agree Kwame is one of the best post defenders in the league.

many forums at lakerfanboys.com?? c'mon man open your eyes. just becuase he has a big body means he has a leg up on thinner big men. but I don't see him stripping big guys while being backed in a la Kurt Thomas or Robert Horry or even blocking big guys inside.


LOL Vujacic is better than Iguodala??? I should ban you for that comment. at what? slapping people? puh-lease, Sasha is only effective when he gets away with a slap and doesn't get called for an obvious reaching foul, causing a turnover and possibly a fast break.

Obviously you don't watch Laker games.

this wasn't directed at me, but I would imagine that I would have a little more knowledge considering that I've watched over 200+ Laker games in the last 3 seasons and been watching the Lakers for the last 17 years or so and I'm not on Kwame's jock. tell me this, was the Caron Butler/Kwame trade worth it? I don't think so.