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Postby Andrew on Sat May 12, 2007 8:28 pm

Even though you can make a fine case for Nash and Kobe, I have to wonder if there would be as much backlash over the MVP award if the Mavericks had not been upset by the Warriors. After all, that outcome and Dirk's disappearance in that series is fresh in our minds and while the blame is going to fall upon him for the first round exit, it doesn't change the fact Dirk and the Mavericks had a great season and that's what the Season MVP award acknowledges. That's not to say he's head and shoulders above the other MVP candidates but the first round upset makes the selection look a lot worse than it really is, in my opinion.

For what it's worth, Wilt Chamberlain (1960 and 1966), Oscar Robertson (1964), Wes Unseld (1969), Moses Malone (1979 and 1982) also won the MVP award in the same season their teams were eliminated in the first round (in some cases in a sweep) and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's Lakers didn't even make the Playoffs when he won the MVP in 1976.
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Postby Scotty on Sat May 12, 2007 11:25 pm

Although i knew this before this was posted, finding out who the mvp is, is never exciting especially when the announce a week in advance who it's gonna be...
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Postby Sauru on Sun May 13, 2007 12:18 am

Slizz wrote:maybe right but if they get the passes from nash they make the shot... put him on the lakers he could have the same amount of passes to guys who try to score but only like 5 assists... I mean you're right suns ain't nothing without nash but nash ain't nothing without Amare Marion &Co.
I think it's Okay to give Dirk this one... But actually to really find out wich guy is the MVP they should let the team play a season ( :lol: )without him and then see how much worse they were... in this case I think Kobe and Lebron would've won it... I don't think Lakers and Cavs can win more than 10 games without em..




i think you are wrong here. i think if you put nash into any offense he will still get more than 5 assists. kobe got people on his team who can score but all they ever hear is how bad they are and if they dont just feed kobe they are gonna lose. that cant be good for a players confidence.
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Postby TSquared on Sun May 13, 2007 1:06 am

the only problem about this award is that we cant argue over it even though we dont think he deserves it because he cudnt lead them to even only a second round spot is that the award starts and ends in the SEASON.. and the playoffs arent even included.. as there is a different award.. mainly the finals MVP award.. it sukks that dirk won it but we cant argue coz he really showed it in the regular season.. i think the nba shud consider from the start of the season until a second round spot.. so that the awardee definitely deserves it..
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Postby jonthefon on Sun May 13, 2007 12:48 pm

The MVP is for the regular season. That's what its been like for many years now. Why change it now?

The Finals MVP would probably be more satisfying than the MVP, as along with the award, you get a ring (usually.)
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Postby Gundy on Sun May 13, 2007 1:13 pm

Well, he deserve it for his regular season, even though I still thin Nash would have won itif it wasn't for the "we need something new"-factor


I couldn't agree more. Nash has probably had a better season this year than either of his two previous MVP seasons. That being said, I didn't really want to see Stevie win again. I mean, his second was arguable and while he is even more deserving this year, I (and many others) don't want to see that happen.
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Postby 1CenT on Sun May 13, 2007 1:38 pm

Hmm hard to put down the Mavs who freaking won 67 wins with Dirk doing it pretty consistently and coming up big in games the clutch and regular season games ( yes he did )

Nash is great, he should only have been 1 time MVP tho ( his first 1 ) Lebron and Kobe had more spectacular seasons last year and was as important to their team as Nash, just that they were better statistically..

MVPs aren't easy to win... Dirk, Nash, KG, Duncan, AI, Malone, MJ
I don't know if Dirk deserved it, but hard to beat a 67 win season and he had MVP-like stat on it...
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Postby Sauru on Sun May 13, 2007 1:51 pm

i wont say he does not deserve it, cause he did have a mvp worthy season, i just feel nash earned it this year, mainly if he earned it his last 2 as this year he was even better than both of those 2.

can always make a case for kobe but i would not say lebron was mvp worthy. he pretty much coasted all season long til the end. thats not a mvp, not even close.
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Postby Slizz on Mon May 14, 2007 4:14 am

but the main argument he got it last year was that he lead the suns to a 54 win season without Amare...
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Postby cheater1034 on Mon May 14, 2007 6:28 am

Nash is the MVP, but he's not getting it 3 years in a row, he may deserve it, but it's someone else's turn.

Dirk is not a leader or much of anything else besides a shooter, he didn't deserve it.

Kobe is the best player, but he doesn't set up his team mates or anything. He can't be with a secondary star b/c he wont set up the secondary man. His team can't get the job done basically. so kobe is not the MVP

LeBron had a sub par season compared to what we saw last year and the year before, he shouldn't of got the MVP this year.

Tim Duncan had a good season, not really any reason for him not to be a top canidate if not THE canidate.

Carmelo isnt a good canidate for one-dimensional reasons.

IMO, the MVP should of been Tim Duncan, it's a very boring pick - but there's not really any other canidates besides Nash (who already has 2 MVP trophies)

Maybe Nash will be the MVP of the finals?
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Postby Lamrock on Mon May 14, 2007 6:51 am

cheater1034 wrote:Dirk is not a leader or much of anything else besides a shooter, he didn't deserve it.

He is serviceable rebounds and averages about 6 APG. Plus, he led them in close games during the REGULAR season. He certainly isn't the MVP IMO, but he is more than just a shooter; and if I voted, he would have been my #2 pick.
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Postby Its_asdf on Mon May 14, 2007 8:40 am

He is serviceable rebounds and averages about 6 APG


He averaged around 2 this season. :?
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Postby Lamrock on Mon May 14, 2007 9:10 am

lol My bad; it is because I remember watching the PHX/DAL game and talking about how he averaged a lot of Assists in March...

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Postby hova- on Tue May 15, 2007 12:54 am

Its_asdf wrote:
He is serviceable rebounds and averages about 6 APG


He averaged around 2 this season. :?


He averaged 3.4 assists per game during the regular season and set a new career high with it. Pure shooter is just nonsense. He is at his best when he drives to the basket because you simply cannot handle him then. He may stop and hit the fade away or just go past you since he is quicker than the average power forward. But all in all Nash is the MVP of the season ... but Nowitzki deserves this award very much !
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Postby scrub on Tue May 15, 2007 2:13 am

cheater1034 wrote:Nash is the MVP, but he's not getting it 3 years in a row, he may deserve it, but it's someone else's turn.



That's the most ridiculous thing to say. You can't just give it to someone else because you have won it two years in a row. Nash was the MVP. No questions asked. Dirk is a choke, not a leader and is not a deserving MVP winner in my opinion. How many 90% free throw shooters have you seen miss game deciding free throws down the stretch who would be considered for an MVP? How many MVPs in the modern day have you seen lose to a team 26 wins behind in the first round? I don't give a shit if its a "regular season" award or not. He does not deserve it.
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Postby jonthefon on Tue May 15, 2007 3:33 pm

How about "Dirk is so inconsistent in the clutch that it infuriates Dallas fans?"

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Postby SVSM/CC-23 on Tue May 15, 2007 9:06 pm

Its_asdf wrote:He averaged around 2 this season.


No, 3.4 ... but it`s nearly the same :roll:

would howard or harris have been that kinda players if they did not play in a team with nowitzki?

nowitzki is not just a shooter, he can also go to the rim there he is nearly unstoppable.

in conclusion to the firstround series against gs first of all we could disallow avery johnson his coach of the year award and give the mvp-award to jason kidd who puts out a tripledouble per game while this years playoffs. or to a player which is more clutch than nowitzki...maurice williams eg?


Dirk doesn't play defense

i forgot what a great defender steve nash has always been

i think both diserve it but AFAIR last year it was a similar discussion about nowitzki and nash. nash became mvp cause of 54 wins... this year nowitzki led his team to 67 wins and we have the same discussion...
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Postby Andrew on Wed May 16, 2007 12:20 am

weejontee wrote:
cheater1034 wrote:Nash is the MVP, but he's not getting it 3 years in a row, he may deserve it, but it's someone else's turn.



That's the most ridiculous thing to say. You can't just give it to someone else because you have won it two years in a row. Nash was the MVP. No questions asked.


It may not be fair reasoning but it seems to be something that the media members who vote for the MVP keep in mind. I guess it makes sense in a way since if you establish a player's performance as being the standard for Most Valuable Player such as Steve Nash the past three years then you've pretty much got to give him the award every year because he's going to keep playing the same way and as long as he remains on a healthy Suns team that includes Marion and Stoudemire he'll continue to enjoy team success as well, which would make him the MVP by default year in and year out.

The same thing happened with Michael Jordan in 1993. A stat line of 32.6 ppg on just under 50% shooting (up 2.5 ppg from the previous year), 6.7 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.8 spg and just under a block per game on a 57 win team should really have been good enough for a third straight MVP but the honour went to Charles Barkley, most likely because factors such as the Suns' 21-4 start and what was at the time a franchise record for wins in a single season were taken into consideration, not to mention Sir Charles' stats which were also great numbers (25.6 ppg, 12.2 rpg and a career high 5.1 apg).
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Postby yomoby on Wed May 16, 2007 7:49 am

The True Mp3 is Nash! well just kidding I think Dirk deserved it way to go Dirk maybe I'll do one f Dirk soon.... just thought i'd show my little nash I made from clay

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Postby Dan's Brain on Wed May 16, 2007 2:20 pm

^^That's pretty cool. Well done.


But yeah, i'm happy with Dirk winning it. A case could have been made for him in recent years, but he did step up this season, albeit not when it counted.

And i dont think he'll win another one. This year's playoffs will cloud the voters' judgement next season.
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Postby deihatein on Wed May 16, 2007 2:46 pm

He really deserve it and proof :mrgreen:

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Postby magius on Wed May 16, 2007 9:19 pm

personally i would've given it to nash based on this season and this season alone. but three in a row? i love the guy, but i don't blame that fact for causing voters to second guess. dirk was a decent choice though.

people wouldn't be as bothered if he (dirk) hadn't choked in the playoffs - its only human nature to remember a player for their last memory of them, but it IS the regular season award, and he was among the best in the regular season.

imo, in hindsight, dirk should've probably gotten it last year, and nash this year instead, but ho hum. oh well.
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Postby deihatein on Wed May 16, 2007 10:06 pm

Yeah ,your right maquis, he really deserve it last year then nash this year but i think nash has been slow down after he return to his injury
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Postby maes on Thu May 17, 2007 11:54 am

weejontee wrote:That's the most ridiculous thing to say. You can't just give it to someone else because you have won it two years in a row.


I agree with that but that's just how it is. Same for Coach of the Year, only 1 man has won it more than once but needed different teams every time. It's the gd "Red Auerbach" Trophy, and the man has won it only once. Same with PJ, same with Popovich.

If the real MVP won it every year, Jordan would have had it for a decade and that just isn't very interesting.
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