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Postby [Q] on Fri May 11, 2007 7:05 pm

and the winner is....


not surprised to be honest.
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Postby Matt on Fri May 11, 2007 7:11 pm

they should give him the award during a GSW home game
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Postby gio23 on Fri May 11, 2007 7:43 pm

dirk doesn't deserve this award...damn! how stupid
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Postby grusom on Fri May 11, 2007 8:04 pm

Well, he deserve it for his regular season, even though I still thin Nash would have won itif it wasn't for the "we need something new"-factor - kind of how Karl Malone won his MVP award because everybody was tired of seing MJ win it every year.
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Postby Metsis on Fri May 11, 2007 8:05 pm

You "gio23" are dead wrong... This award is Dirk's... And rightfully so. He did play his best season in the NBA and he did lead the team to 67 wins which is a historical number in the NBA... The meltdown in the play-offs should not effect awards given for regular season performances...

Would Dirk give his MVP away to be playing the Jazz right now? I bet he would... In a heartbeat too...

I wrote a whole article about the collapse of the Mavs and what probably lead to it, so I won't go into that.

I have never really found Dirk to be my type of a player... Don't know why, but that's just how it goes... Nash should have gotten the third one... That would have been my vote on the matter. Nash is single handedly changing the NBA and has done so for the years he's been in Phoenix. There are more and more running small balling high octane offensive teams year in and year out... Its like a breath of fresh air blowing through the NBA. And for that Nash should be linked to the likes of Bird and Russell so people will remember his part in introducing good old run and gun back to the league where defensive teams boring play has dominated the recent past... It also didn't hurt that this was his best statistical season and that he's got one huge chip on his shoulder to draw strength from to keep on going...

But since some (or most) of the media people don't want to add Nash to the list of the NBA legends of yore, they are giving it to Dirk. Scrawny, white small guy shouldn't be a three time NBA MVP... How the hell could he???
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Postby SVSM/CC-23 on Sat May 12, 2007 1:01 am

D-Nowe played a great regular season. nash of course was more spectacular but if putting out about 110ppg it`s not surprising the point guard giving 10apg. it`s not just about watching stats but watching games!
and i also do not agree with steves "defense". i know even dirks is not much better but he shows a little bit that he wants to go after it at the defense.
also nowitzki revolutionized a new era of bigmen in the NBA and i think this should be honored.
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Postby joejam999 on Sat May 12, 2007 1:08 am

grusom wrote:kind of how Karl Malone won his MVP award because everybody was tired of seing MJ win it every year.


So you are saying Malone shouldn't of gotten those MVP's?
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Postby grusom on Sat May 12, 2007 1:33 am

joejam999 wrote:
grusom wrote:kind of how Karl Malone won his MVP award because everybody was tired of seing MJ win it every year.


So you are saying Malone shouldn't of gotten those MVP's?


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Postby maes on Sat May 12, 2007 1:56 am

SVSM/CC-23 wrote:also nowitzki revolutionized a new era of bigmen in the NBA and i think this should be honored.


How did Dirk revolutionize anything for big men?

If you're talking about long range shooting bigs, Horry & Sheed were doing it long before Dirk and they've won rings with their inside-outside play. With Houston in the Finals Horry drained 5 3 pointers in a single quarter.

"He also holds the record for three-pointers all-time in the NBA Finals with 53 three-pointers, having eclipsed Michael Jordan's previous record of 42."

How many championships this decade were Horry & Sheed not involved in? 1?

I probably sound like a Dirk hater, i'm not i really like the guy, but i don't think he's MVP. If Nash hadn't won 2 in a row already, i doubt Dirk would be getting this award. If Kobe or LeBron had a better supporting cast, i doubt Dirk would be getting this award.
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Postby Laxation on Sat May 12, 2007 2:53 am

Bill Simmons put it right in his articles... Dirk does not deserve this.
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Postby el badman on Sat May 12, 2007 3:41 am

I really think that Dirk deserves it for the amazing season he and the Mavs had once again, but considering his exit from the post-season (for which he'll get blamed for a very long time), I thought they'd select someone else.
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Postby scrub on Sat May 12, 2007 7:38 am

Nash was the MVP, no questions asked. I guarantee if Nash had not won it the last two years he would've won. Dirk is a choke artist and can't lead his team past a team 26 wins behind his. I know that is post-season news but it still doesn't constitue an MVP. He may be able to take over games in the regular season games but not the big games (Pheonix this season, Miami last year, Golden State)
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Postby Anthony15 on Sat May 12, 2007 7:40 am

weejontee wrote:Nash was the MVP, no questions asked. I guarantee if Nash had not won it the last two years he would've won. Dirk is a choke artist and can't lead his team past a team 26 wins behind his. I know that is post-season news but it still doesn't constitue an MVP. He may be able to take over games in the regular season games but not the big games (Pheonix this season, Miami last year, Golden State)


He got it because he was the best player on the team with the best record. No Questions asked.
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Postby scrub on Sat May 12, 2007 7:46 am

This is not the BPOTBT (Best Player On The Best Team) Award. Nash was the MVP (the Most Valuable Player). When he got injured the Suns fell apart. The Mavs have Josh Howard, Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse who can win games for them if Dirk is out. Nash 'is' the Suns.
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Postby Matt on Sat May 12, 2007 10:53 am

giving the award to Dirk weakens what being an MVP is all about. Luckily, Finals MVP will always be voted correctly.
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Postby cheater1034 on Sat May 12, 2007 11:16 am

Dirk is a shooter/scorer. He is not a team leader like nash, kobe, lebron, dwayne (even though he was hurt), and all those other guys.

The regular season is important for sure, but he can't do it when it counts (N)

The mavs season means absolutely nothing this year, they blew it against a number 8 seed in 6 games, and none of those games were even really close.

And when the team was struggling, dirk didn't step up and lead - he laid an egg. MVPs do not lay eggs in important games, if they're teams hitting and he's not, he passes to them. If he's hitting and his team's not he takes over. MVPs do not lay eggs especially against a #8 seed.
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Postby Axel on Sat May 12, 2007 11:38 am

I hate the philosophy that it goes to the Best Player on the Best Team.

To put it simply: The best player is not always on the best team.

Case in point: Kobe Bryant

But as well, the MVP is not necesarily the most talented individual, but the one who has the most "value". In that case it would go to Steve Nash.

Dirk doesn't play defense, can't pass out of double teams, and is a far cry from a leader. How does that constitute the MVP award?
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Postby Sauru on Sat May 12, 2007 12:00 pm

my opinion is nash should have won the award but like grusom said, they wanted someone new. i also agree with his comment on malone winning his
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Postby Anthony15 on Sat May 12, 2007 12:18 pm

weejontee wrote:This is not the BPOTBT (Best Player On The Best Team) Award. Nash was the MVP (the Most Valuable Player). When he got injured the Suns fell apart. The Mavs have Josh Howard, Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse who can win games for them if Dirk is out. Nash 'is' the Suns.


So Amare, Marion, Barbosa, even Bell aren't the guys that can win games for Suns?
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Postby Matt on Sat May 12, 2007 12:46 pm

not w/o Nash. Barbosa isn't a 'set up' PG, Bell only scores off open looks, and most of Amares scoring can be directly attributed to Nash's passing.
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Postby Ibaony on Sat May 12, 2007 1:38 pm

Matt wrote:not w/o Nash. Barbosa isn't a 'set up' PG, Bell only scores off open looks, and most of Amares scoring can be directly attributed to Nash's passing.

i agree with you there. i guess nash should've recieved the award.

i was even rooting for baron davis to win the award! i'm sure you guys disagree with me on that one but he's killing the jazz today in game 3.
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Postby Lamrock on Sat May 12, 2007 2:56 pm

Ibaony wrote:i was even rooting for baron davis to win the award! i'm sure you guys disagree with me on that one but he's killing the jazz today in game 3.

Well, Mr. bandwagoner, This award is for the regular season. Davis had a decent season (could have made all-star if not for injuries) but not an MVP-caliber one.

Besides, he sure murdered Utah in Games 1 and 2. :roll:
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Postby Axel on Sat May 12, 2007 3:07 pm

Anthony15 wrote:
weejontee wrote:This is not the BPOTBT (Best Player On The Best Team) Award. Nash was the MVP (the Most Valuable Player). When he got injured the Suns fell apart. The Mavs have Josh Howard, Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse who can win games for them if Dirk is out. Nash 'is' the Suns.


So Amare, Marion, Barbosa, even Bell aren't the guys that can win games for Suns?


Bell, Marion, and Amare are incapable of creating their own shot. Barbosa can help them get it sometimes, but only for short stretches. He's erratic as a passer and really a scoring guard who just plays PG to give Nash some rest.
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Postby Slizz on Sat May 12, 2007 6:40 pm

maybe right but if they get the passes from nash they make the shot... put him on the lakers he could have the same amount of passes to guys who try to score but only like 5 assists... I mean you're right suns ain't nothing without nash but nash ain't nothing without Amare Marion &Co.
I think it's Okay to give Dirk this one... But actually to really find out wich guy is the MVP they should let the team play a season ( :lol: )without him and then see how much worse they were... in this case I think Kobe and Lebron would've won it... I don't think Lakers and Cavs can win more than 10 games without em..
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Postby hova- on Sat May 12, 2007 7:18 pm

I think Nash as the MVP would also be quite okay. Actually Nash may be even more valuable for the Suns than Dirk is for the Mavs.
On the other hand Dirk as a leader is underrated by most of you. Maybe because he is not the playmaker who can make everyone better only by passing ("only" is for sure underrated for Nash´s wicked and pintpoint passes). Although I think some of those pick and roll plays with Amare would also be able without Nash.
So give Nash the award, but give Dirk more credit. He failed one time and now he is a looser ?
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