bigh0rt wrote:I find it interesting that a lot of the qualities you mention are all found in players you'd never consider for MVP, not to mention the subjectivity of some of them. You're describing players like Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Kirk Hinrich, and Derek Fisher, whom I don't think would even receive a write-in vote if we were to poll who deserves the MVP Award.
For me, the player must be an obvious top level player in that given year. It has to be apparent to everybody paying any attention at all that this guy has been one of, say, the Top 10 Overall performers in a given season. I don't think making the playoffs is a necessary requirement. A single player can only do so much, if the rest of their team is trash. Had Kevin Garnett posted appropriate numbers, I would've had no problem voting for him for MVP despite him playing alongside a bunch of borderline professionals in Minnesota. Teams make the playoffs, not players, and in an MVP, I'm voting for a player, not a team. For example, Dirk Nowitzki didn't win 67 games, the Mavericks did. He contributed to a large capacity, sure, but so did his teammates. I want a player who has played exceptionally well in as many aspects of the game as possible that are quantifiable (see: statistics) as things like 'making his teammates better' and 'looking pass first' are fluff used by announcers more often than not; a player who has performed at top level in the primetime, nationally broadcasted, big games; and on top of all of that, a player who doesn't project a negative image outwardly. I don't want the player representing the league as its Most Valuable Player to be some douche who has little grasp on how to behave socially, etc.
So, I know my qualifications seem to be pretty divergant from the rest so far, which is why it's a rare occasion that I agree with who is awarded the MVP each year.
Drex wrote:You would never give an MVP trophy, right? j/k, nice list
hova- wrote:bigh0rt wrote:I find it interesting that a lot of the qualities you mention are all found in players you'd never consider for MVP, not to mention the subjectivity of some of them. You're describing players like Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Kirk Hinrich, and Derek Fisher, whom I don't think would even receive a write-in vote if we were to poll who deserves the MVP Award.
For me, the player must be an obvious top level player in that given year. It has to be apparent to everybody paying any attention at all that this guy has been one of, say, the Top 10 Overall performers in a given season. I don't think making the playoffs is a necessary requirement. A single player can only do so much, if the rest of their team is trash. Had Kevin Garnett posted appropriate numbers, I would've had no problem voting for him for MVP despite him playing alongside a bunch of borderline professionals in Minnesota. Teams make the playoffs, not players, and in an MVP, I'm voting for a player, not a team. For example, Dirk Nowitzki didn't win 67 games, the Mavericks did. He contributed to a large capacity, sure, but so did his teammates. I want a player who has played exceptionally well in as many aspects of the game as possible that are quantifiable (see: statistics) as things like 'making his teammates better' and 'looking pass first' are fluff used by announcers more often than not; a player who has performed at top level in the primetime, nationally broadcasted, big games; and on top of all of that, a player who doesn't project a negative image outwardly. I don't want the player representing the league as its Most Valuable Player to be some douche who has little grasp on how to behave socially, etc.
So, I know my qualifications seem to be pretty divergant from the rest so far, which is why it's a rare occasion that I agree with who is awarded the MVP each year.
Actually this sounds pretty much like Kobe would be your MVP. He is exceptonally good, his team is not too good. He has done things no other player could have done in this season.
But for me personally its more than that.
I mean you say Dirk didnt win 67 games, the Mavs did. But you saw the playoffs. When you manage to keep Dirk out of the game (or he just chokes) than the Mavs do not win. He is more important than the other players on the team, he is an all-star, a top 10 scorer and maybe even a top 10 player.
Same goes for Nash. He makes his teammates just better, but dont forget about his scoring. Sure he has Amare and Matrix ... but most of the numbers these both are posting are just Nash´s work. Amare has big numbers but he completely relies on Nash.
That is why these both players are the two top candidates.
LeBron is number three for me but that is just because of the regular season success he had compared to the other both. Maybe he is more important, but it also seems like it was not enough to make a better record.
TSquared wrote:sad to say but the MVP award is being based on popularity level of the player dont u think so?
Carmo wrote:hova- wrote:bigh0rt wrote:I find it interesting that a lot of the qualities you mention are all found in players you'd never consider for MVP, not to mention the subjectivity of some of them. You're describing players like Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Kirk Hinrich, and Derek Fisher, whom I don't think would even receive a write-in vote if we were to poll who deserves the MVP Award.
For me, the player must be an obvious top level player in that given year. It has to be apparent to everybody paying any attention at all that this guy has been one of, say, the Top 10 Overall performers in a given season. I don't think making the playoffs is a necessary requirement. A single player can only do so much, if the rest of their team is trash. Had Kevin Garnett posted appropriate numbers, I would've had no problem voting for him for MVP despite him playing alongside a bunch of borderline professionals in Minnesota. Teams make the playoffs, not players, and in an MVP, I'm voting for a player, not a team. For example, Dirk Nowitzki didn't win 67 games, the Mavericks did. He contributed to a large capacity, sure, but so did his teammates. I want a player who has played exceptionally well in as many aspects of the game as possible that are quantifiable (see: statistics) as things like 'making his teammates better' and 'looking pass first' are fluff used by announcers more often than not; a player who has performed at top level in the primetime, nationally broadcasted, big games; and on top of all of that, a player who doesn't project a negative image outwardly. I don't want the player representing the league as its Most Valuable Player to be some douche who has little grasp on how to behave socially, etc.
So, I know my qualifications seem to be pretty divergant from the rest so far, which is why it's a rare occasion that I agree with who is awarded the MVP each year.
Actually this sounds pretty much like Kobe would be your MVP. He is exceptonally good, his team is not too good. He has done things no other player could have done in this season.
But for me personally its more than that.
I mean you say Dirk didnt win 67 games, the Mavs did. But you saw the playoffs. When you manage to keep Dirk out of the game (or he just chokes) than the Mavs do not win. He is more important than the other players on the team, he is an all-star, a top 10 scorer and maybe even a top 10 player.
Same goes for Nash. He makes his teammates just better, but dont forget about his scoring. Sure he has Amare and Matrix ... but most of the numbers these both are posting are just Nash´s work. Amare has big numbers but he completely relies on Nash.
That is why these both players are the two top candidates.
LeBron is number three for me but that is just because of the regular season success he had compared to the other both. Maybe he is more important, but it also seems like it was not enough to make a better record.
An MVP can't just disappear in important games. What you are saying is like saying that if a team goes 1-81 and they won that one game because I dominated in it but we lost the 81 games because I played crap, I should be considered for MVP because my team relies on me to win games. That's gay.
You're describing players like Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Kirk Hinrich, and Derek Fisher, whom I don't think would even receive a write-in vote if we were to poll who deserves the MVP Award.
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