Kobe 4 straight 50 point games: 65, 50, 60, and 50

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... Kobe dropped 53 on the Rockets today.

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that was interesting... I think he had like 25 in the first half and played like shit in the 3rd so he had like 33 with 3-4 mins to go. Of course, the OT helped too.

anybody see that ridiculous 3 at the end of regulation? the game was on ESPN wasn't it? I was laughing at the Hack a Kwame strategy because it was smart of Van Gundy to do that, and it worked until kobe got the offensive rebound.

[Matt]

too bad he travelled with 17 to go....would have liked a better ending to the game

[Axel]

19 of 44 from the field. It's laughable how many shots he's' taking.

[Drex]

I don't think he'll score 40+ against the Rockets.

Well, he did.

I hate Vujacic. I don't know why I'm saying this in a Kobe-related thread, but I do.
Kobe was on fire in the last 4 minutes, as always, but I've never noticed how much he flops. Almost Manu-like.

[Axel]

I don't think he'll score 40+ against the Rockets.

Well, he did.

I hate Vujacic. I don't know why I'm saying this in a Kobe-related thread, but I do.
Kobe was on fire in the last 4 minutes, as always, but I've never noticed how much he flops. Almost Manu-like.

A lot of people can score over 40 on 44 shots.

[hova-]

Ye, Imagine Dirk taking 40 shots ... I mean, maybe this would not be better since one of his strengths is choosing smart shot attempts, but I think if he had to carry the Mavs completely alone he had pretty much the same statline Kobe has but with more boards.

[Axel]

I agree... Dirk is probably the most difficult person to try to guard.

[LakersRule24]

19 of 44 from the field. It's laughable how many shots he's' taking.

I don't think there is anyone else in this league that can make that much while taking that many shots against a sub .500 team, let alone the Rockets while defending T-mac.

[BigKaboom2]

I don't think there is anyone else in this league that can make that much while taking that many shots against a sub .500 team, let alone the Rockets while defending T-mac.

Wouldn't that make it easier?

[BIG GREEN]

Scoring alot of points qualifies you as the best player in the game? I didn't know the point of the NBA was to score as much points as possible.

[LakersRule24]

That's not the only thing Kobe can do.

[Drex]

He can shoot a los of shots, too

A lot of people can score over 40 on 44 shots.

Yeah, but how many can score 17 in 4 minutes? A lot of people can't score that many in a full game.

[Matthew]

Scoring alot of points qualifies you as the best player in the game? I didn't know the point of the NBA was to score as much points as possible.

lol, how are games won again? I always thought it was to score more then your opposition

[LakersRule24]

I don't think there is anyone else in this league that can make that much while taking that many shots against a sub .500 team, let alone the Rockets while defending T-mac.

Wouldn't that make it easier?

Yeah, but most people can't even do that. It's called stamina. After about 35 shots, your legs start to get tired. But due to Kobe's great physical fitness level, he is able to get a lot of elevation on his shot even after 40 shots, that's what separates his scoring ability from everyone else.

[Axel]

He can shoot a los of shots, too

A lot of people can score over 40 on 44 shots.

Yeah, but how many can score 17 in 4 minutes? A lot of people can't score that many in a full game.

He wouldn't have had to score that much if he didn't shoot them into a defecit to begin with.

Kobe is always going to be clutch at the end. It's what he does during the other 3 quarters that determines whether or not the Lakers will win.

Still, 44 shots is utterly ridiculous. I imagine Red Auerbach is writhing in his grave. "It's a team game... let's play it like one".

[BIG GREEN]

Scoring alot of points qualifies you as the best player in the game? I didn't know the point of the NBA was to score as much points as possible.

lol, how are games won again? I always thought it was to score more then your opposition

me too..but that wasn't the point of my statement? :crazy:

all i'm saying is that being the best scorer in the league doesn't qualify you as the best player in the league...cause if that was the case...t-mac should've had a few MVP trophies under his belt. My question is...other than putting up crazy offensive numbers in a league where the difference between 1st leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer is 3 ppg...what makes him better than all other superstars in the NBA?

[cheater1034]

As a wise man once said, "the only statistic that matters is a win".

In this case, it dont matter how many kobe scores - he lost.

Taking 44 shots = bad, he shot 43% which isnt bad (better when you shoot 44 shots), but why? There's no reason for him to shoot 44 shots except for personal reasons - he IS NOT playing for his team, lakers = dead in the water come playoff time.

KOBE should try to follow the examples set my other nba stars who play with their team instead of being their team, LeBron (best example), Dirk, Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, T-Mac.... The list is endless.

Kobe - 53 points, 43%, 1 off rebound, 1 def rebound, 2 assists, 47 minutes LOSS

T-Mac - 30 points, 29% shooting - 10 assists (forget this, he had an awful game - bad comparison.)

LeBron @ Chicago - 1st quarter=4 assists,4 points,0FG Attempts, all FGs made in 2nd-4th Q.
39 points, 56% shooting, 5 rebounds, 9 assists, 47 minutes, WIN
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This is just an example why KOBE is hurting his team more than helping, LBJ doesnt necessarily have a good team around him, but every single night he gets his team involved in the first quarter before establishing himself. This gets everybody rolling, and he still gets his points/rebounds/assists.

Kobe's style is different, Shoot as many shots as possible all game, get a couple assists by accident, get a lot of points by yourself without help from a team mate. (This makes team mates angry especially after a loss)

I think this team needs to get their act together for the playoffs, one man scoring loads of points wont win you games in the long run.

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Also, in their losing effort.
Only 6 people scored on the lakers. so basically only the starters with 6 points off the bench. Teams that win have more than 6 people score per night, much more balance, more than 6 points off the bench, more assists.

[hova-]

That is just so damn right. I mean he certainly is the best scorer the game has seen since Jordan and maybe he is even better when it comes to scoring, but that is not what makes you the MVP or best player.
If the Lakers manage to get some players around him like the Suns and the Mavs did with wise moves and Kobe will put up about 25/5/5 + his nice D then, he may end up with a MVP trophy. As long as he is just the star on a mediocre team and takes about half of the shots scoring 30 ppg I do not see anything special here. The way he does it is special, but his numbers aint too extraordinary. So if he takes less shots but keeps his style to make those impossible things, he is definitely the best player in the league.
For me it is important that a star knows what he has to do.

Look at Dirk ... he has really stepped up his passing, finding open mates who can hit these shots.

So I would say: Kobe needs better teammates and needs to get them involved to get MVP honors or even a ring.

[Matt]

cant believe people base their opinions on one "bad" game

[air gordon]

Sorry for the late reply. Better late then never I suppose…

Nothing personnel here but are you part of the k Bryant jock rider group? your replies seem like typical paranoid/knee jerk reactions to anything resembling a negative connotation to #24. i personnaly don't care much for making comparisons between the great players now to the greatest players from yester-year. for some strange reason, the fans/analysts/media seem hellbent on doing this anyway, especially in the NBA

if a player from today ever surpasses Jordan or any other great player from the past- good for them. i just know i'm lucky to have been able to see/experience the NBA in it's "golden era" and still be around for the current one ...

First mistake, I wasnt talking to 'you' in particular.

I know you weren’t. I wanted to put it out there that I’m not some “hater” before I gave my thoughts. But obviously that failed lol

I give the 'fatman' credit. Where did I say I dont. Both players deserve credit for their part in championship teams. All I was pointing out is how people sing on what has Kobe done without Shaq when the same applies for Shaq regarding to swingmen.

I’m not sure what “sing on” means in this context but I don’t care much for/remark on the lakers success of lack of it since in this forum (not since Shaq left at least)

Rodman played 80 games so I'm not sure exactly how he missed so many games that season but Pippen did so in only playing 44. At the eend of the day his teams were still top to bottom better in terns of having a strong veteran presence.

Regarding Pippen's play without MJ, yes he did play well albeit with a still solid team. I'm sure he wouldnt dream of playing beside a Sasha, Sham and a Smush. He didnt win any titles either and in comparison between him and Kobe's play after losing their star teammates I wouldnt gives Pips anything over what Kobe has done.

My mistake on the rodman thing. Senior moment haha. I don’t want to get into this further about the bulls great teams but I’ll just mention despite having “strong veteran presence”, individually on talent, sans Jordan & Pip, they were average at best. And that was brutally illustrated when the role players went to different teams

Er- I’m not comparing Pippen to #24 at all. Now if you want to go that route, go right ahead. Must you always bring #24 into the equation? Hehe. Earlier you asked “what has Jordan done without Pippen?” I’m just merely mentioning that Scottie had success playing without MJ.

But since you mentioned it- the ’93 bulls didn’t have the luxury of trading their best player. MJ retired and Krause replaced him with *drum roll* Pete Myers! Grant and Armstrong were solid but shouldn’t have been all stars, especially BJ. He only made it since he was cute. For the Bulls to make the Conf Finals, and perhaps being one call from making the finals, was a great accomplishment for Pip and the Bulls. I remember Phil Jackson remarking on how Pippen’s play that year was perhaps the greatest exhibition of a being a team player

Oh gosh the one tired argument that seems to be played over and over like an old broken record. Please tell me that everyone in the league didnt know that if you whispered in Jordans ear they called a foul. Thinking that handchecking would magically take off 20 pts off Kobe's career average is just ridiculous. Kobe would have the same success back then as he is having now. Todays average athlete is biger, stronger, faster and just as smart as players back then. What used to be tricks of the trade that could make one players career back then is now common knowledge. In regards to scouting and match preparation, today's game is in no may inferior to the league of yesteryear. Also, saying the league isnt physical is nonsense to me. Yes physical play is frowned upon but I dont see anyone is skirts driving down the lane. You still get fouled hard in todays game, Kobe can tell you about it.

What Jordan did was amazing yes but you still have to put in into context. Both players were not presented with identical situations so you cant compare what each has done bone for bone as if they played in the same time. Jordan got fouled hard many times driving down the lane, and he got his calls many times as well. Lets please not pretend like he was battered every single minute of the game and no calls were made. Kobe got hit in the playoffs as well, just because his clothesline wasnt on NBA Hardwood Classics doesnt mean it only tickled. He piled on freethrows the same way players like Kobe, Wade and Lebron do. Also, many people who watch alot of LA games know that he doesnt get all the calls in the same manner as the other players discussed.

Maybe I should repeat this again- I’m not taking away from what #24 has done. Stop being paranoid- I didn’t mention anything about handchecking taking 20pts away from #24’s scoring average. But you know what- the no handchecking rule probably would have added at least 10 points to Jordan’s game. Even the guy in your avatar said so, not some disgruntled or grumpy ex-nba player. Something to the tune of “if Jordan played now in his prime with these rules, he would have averaged 45pts a game”

and considering #24's recent behavior (specifically his reactions to physical play on him or players outplaying him), perhaps he wouldn't succeed in Jordan's era.

this tired “argument” of less physical play/no handchecking rule has given the offense 2 huge advantages still stand, like it or not. You are wasting your time and I question your judgment if you want to debate this. For the offense, it’s clearly an advantage now when the defender can longer impede an offensive player’s progress by handchecking them on the perimeter.

Yes- the league now is “physical” but this is more the players being stronger, not the play. The NBA now is truly a business- you have Stern/Nba owners protecting their franchise players on $100 mil contracts, which has had a ripple on effect on the rules/gameplay. Flagrant fouls now were just hard fouls in the 80/90’s…and there were no repercussions either other then the payback foul next time down. Now you have to worry about facing possible suspensions and pay fines for a foul that was even that bad. I should also mention that PG’s and C’s domiated back in the "golden era".

Lol again I’m not trying to compare both players here- I’m merely pointing out it was harder to score in Jordan’s time then it is now

btw- do you or these people who watch a lot of LA games watch the same amount of Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, etc games??? and do you watch those games in the same manner you watch LA games???

A very childish presumption to think that by simply posting Jordans career stats and accomplishments against a player of Kobe Bryants caliber who is in the middle of his career and establishing himself as a sure Hall-of-Famer nullify any argument I can make to support his case as a living basketball legend. Jordan had his time and Kobe is currently going through his. In term of whats being brought to the table I dont think theres any astounding difference that would set anyone one of them miles ahead of the other when placed in context. Yes Jordan has alot of trophies but who is to say Kobe will finish with his current 3. Kobe can be discussed in the same breath of Jordan, one would be foolish to discredit his accomplishments that allow him such status.

again i'm not comparing "legend" status. Lol stop crying already. Benji has some nice statistical formulas/examinations that take into account some extra factors the casual fan doesn’t. perhaps that could be a useful tool in comparing their “scoring”. i wouldnt be surprised if #24 came out on top on some stats since he shoots more 3s

You basically took this one sentence:

How can we compare Jordan leading a team of vets with Kobe leading a team of spermbuds?

...and ran with it.

I made that comment because of the many people saying he cant bring his teams to a higher level but I suppose in that same conversation we shouldnt consider the players made available to both. Pfft, I call bollocks. You think belittling his 1st round team in any way, shape or form diminishes this guys staus as an extraordinary player or takes away from a very solid year as a team? I'm not disheartened by his exit considering at the beginning of the year everybody called them a lottery team. Then when they won 40+ game people arguedagainst his MVP merit saying he has to at least help them to 50 to be in the conversation. Then LA was supposedly swept out of the first round by Phoenix but ask any Phoenix player and theyll tell you it was a tough series. All this with a lottery bound team, surely worthy of credit from my perspective. Jordan was exceptional, but having role players like Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc etc etc sure made it even sweeter for him.

Lol dude chill out again. I was just asking who was asking that question. I wasn’t asking you to list what you have written on your kobe Bryant jock riding team member badge