Then what was the problem? Why couldn't they win with just Marion and Amare, the All-Stars? Both were putting up 20 ppg and 9 rpg, and they missed the playoffs pretty badly.
Well Amare only played 55 games, Marbury only played 34. In fact, the only players on that entire team to play more than 70 games were Marion, Barbosa and Casey Jacobsen.
Okay, I get it. Laughing stock to contender means .. NOTHING when we're talking about Nash, huh? I'm sure if it was Kobe pulling a team out of the hole you'd be using that to solidify his spot in the Hall of Fame.
You asked if the fact that Phoenix won nothing without Nash meant anything to you, the fact remains they haven't won anything WITH Nash either so your point is invalid.
LOL Hilarious. What part of: "Only produce with certain players" don't you understand? YES Steve Nash excells in the Phoenix system! HE IS THE SYSTEM! The right players are around him! They have the right abilities! Jump shooters, guys that run the floor on the break! Guys that know how to move! It starts with Nash being able to get them the ball.
... you say "only produce with certain players" then go and explain how they produce within the system... so it is the system or is it the player? You make no sense.
Dude it's not rocket science to figure out that they all played well together. You're talking about break-out years, guys developing and sh!t. It's about chemistry and doing shit on the court that your players are capable of doing. I don't think guys like Q-Rich and Tim Thomas are still developing.
But I didn't say they developed. I said Johnson, Amare, Marion had developed... you can deny that all you want but then you would be a retard.
LOL Diaw is developing? Or you mean Ainge put him to use and out on the floor and let him rack up the lay-ups with Nash on the break?
No, I mean Diaw is developing. He was 23 years old and in his third season, do you think players just peak after their rookie years and wait for someone like Nash to make them better?
And what does Danny Ainge have to do with this? He's the director of basketball op's at the Celtics you dumbass.
Good, so maybe then we can move on to how the best player on the team for the Lakers (that'd be Kobe) should really be the one looking to get everyone involved, especially with all those double teams he faces nightly? You're familiar with Lebron's apg numbers? Allen Iverson's before he ran the point (back when Snow lead the team in assists) ? Pippen's? Jordan's? Guys who knew when to give up the ball when there was no point guard available? Guys not named Steve Nash that gave up the ball and made their teammates around them better?
You wanna talk about APG numbers? Stephon Marbury averages 8.1apg for his career, Steve Nash averages 7.0. I'm guessing that would make Marbury better at getting his teammates involved by your horrifically floored logic.
Of course you're shocked. You've yet to acknowledge what Allen Iverson was doing in the Finals once upon a time after playing both the Nash and Bryant role in the same season.
Wtf? I haven't acknowledged Allen Iverson because the discussion was about Kobe Bryant and the number of shots he's taken. For some reason still unbeknownst to me you dragged Steve Nash into the discussion, then Chris Mullin and Jeff Hornacek
. You're yet to acknowledge that in 10 seasons Iverson only lead his team to the finals once, but hey, facts are stupid.
Furthermore, what part of: "Ballhog = Don't take a bad shot, give up the rock for the assist" am I not being clear about? I'm not saying Kobe should be coming up with 8 dimes a game. I'm saying give up the fucking rock, stop taking so many bad shots, and maybe you'll win a few more games.
And maybe you won't. Who are you to say what the other Lakers are capable of? Do you attend training and see them dominating until Kobe walks on the court and just destroys everything, God damn him. Damn him to hell for supressing the potential basketball greatness that is Luke Walton and Smush Parker.
It was taking bad shots that blew the entire Lakers Dynasty out of the water, and Shaq calling the dumbass out on it. You'd think he learned by now. I don't see how we're supposed to be comparing this guy to the likes of Jordan when his APG numbers are worse than people like Lebron and Pippen and he's had a serious history with sharing the ball.
Do you know what an assist is? You really don't seem to be grasping the concept. I'm sure Shaq would have been much happier playing with someone like Stephon Marbury who's APG numbers are impressive
LOL .. nice speculation. Maybe you're more familiar with what's going on in Philly as we speak? Notice how AI moved out, free'd up about 25 shots a game and now people like Dalembert and Iguodala are showing up to play? What was I thinking .. this is Basketball 101!
How did he free up 25 shots per game when his average is far lower? I wonder how Carmelo has managed to increase his scoring average playing with Iverson. Of course adding a top 10 PG in Andre Miller really had no bearing on any of this, because you know, the only thing stopping the Sixers from being successful was Allen Iverson.
Yes, this is how we debate! We throw around childish insults!
What more should I expect from a dude with 15,000 posts on a forum?!
Well you're clearly quite good at it yourself
How do you know this? Who on the Lakers has gotten the opportunity to shoot the ball and showcase their ability aside from Bryant?
Um... do you really want me to answer that?
Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans, Aaron McKie, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, Vladimir Radmanovic, Shammond Williams... have all had that opportunity.
BACK TO THE REALITY OF ANDRE IGUODALA RECENTLY FREED OF PLAYING BEHIND AI AND LOOKING RATHER PRODUCTIVE!
Wtf does Iguodala have to do with any of this?
"Hey, Nash had absolutely no impact on Marion and Amare when he came to the Suns in 04-05. In fact in 03-04 Marion and Amare put up the same stats (20 ppg, 9 rpg) as they did in 04-05 yet they somehow MISSED the playoffs and did not win 62 games by themselves!
So you think taking Amare and Marbury, the two best players on the Suns in 03-04 (edit: typo), out of the line-up for the majority of the season along with various other injuries and whatever else had no impact on their result in the end? Or that adding a 20/10 PG who is unquestionably better than Marbury, along with a few other players and the natural progression of guys like Amare and Barbosa had no impact at all the next season?
Wow, congratulations on failing to grasp that I was giving you a real life example seeing as how you're currently speaking as if you're unfamiliar with the texture of a basketball, having never touched one before.
Lol yeah that's exactly what I'm doing. Or you're just completely and utterly clueless.
You're not making much of a case here, man. I'm trying to be simple, and approaching the crayola level shortly.
Lmao all the replies are people disagreeing with your points though, not mine, is everyone here wrong or are you just right?
LOL!! Bro, is there a written rule somewhere that says the top shooters on their teams must shoot like sh!t? Because I'm pretty sure guys like Larry Bird, Dwyane Wade and Michael Jordan all flirted with the 50% plenty of times as their teams top shooters?
Since when is shooting 46% compared to say 48% shooting like shit?
That was my point to your useless list of today's NBA ballhogs that can't shoot. LOL @ Kobe ranking high amongst them, like that's something to brag about! Hooray, in today's NBA Kobe can't shoot, his % is a joke, and guess what? So are the other SGs around the NBA!
We are in today's NBA you tool. Would you want me to start going on about how rubbish the 90's era of big men were because none of them could average Wilt's numbers? Your arguments are beyond ridiculous, if you look back over the careers of your hero's Michael Jordan and Jeff Hornacek (:lol:) they had seasons where they hovered around 47% (Hornacek did it like 3 times, and shot far less than Kobe... so if a guy taking less shots than Kobe who shoots 46% only makes 47% of them, where does that rank on your "LMAO NBA PLAYAZ ARE A JOKE LOL" scale?) and MJ had seasons where he shot 45%, 48%, 41%, 48%, 46%, 41% and 44%... you know research is your friend, stop talking out of your ass and please present some facts instead of your opinion which seems to have absolutely no basis whatsoever.
You must of missed the other thread where I was stating my case against the NBA's shooting having taken a nose dive due to the surplus of kobe-esque SGs throwing up the ball 25 times a night.
No, it was the fact that the sentence "shooting in the NBA is a joke anymore" makes zero sense. Maybe you should have gone to English 101 instead of Basketball 101.
