"My numbers are blowing his out of the water"

[Axel]

Dwyane Wade level?

In some ways you could say its a tad more complete. The 3pt shot is there which kinda makes him a greater threat whereas with Wade everybody knows he'd much rather take it to the bucket. Gilberts shot selection is really the only thing keeping him (and his fg%) down. Those two big game sbrought it up a tad though.

Agent 0 plays 0 defense.

He also doesn't get his teammates involved as well as Wade does, and he's a PG.

[air gordon]

I think Gilbert's just being Gilbert, and that his comment, while a little cuckoo, isn't as screwed up as some of the stuff he does.

true. employee #24 is an idiot for criticizing Arenas shot selection in the 1st place. learn to lose with some class

[Sauru]

I think Gilbert's just being Gilbert, and that his comment, while a little cuckoo, isn't as screwed up as some of the stuff he does.

true. employee #24 is an idiot for criticizing Arenas shot selection in the 1st place. learn to lose with some class

best post in topic. like koba has any right to knock on another players shot selection.

[3P]

as long as they haven't scored 81 why not?

[bigh0rt]

Basketball-Reference gives Wade the edge defensively 103 to 108 over Arenas, with a league average of 105 during both their careers; so sure, Wade is somewhat significantly better on the defensive end of the court. However, I found this interesting...

Dwyane Wade Similarity Scores (by Age):
23: Kobe Bryant (902) [Gilbert Arenas (901)]
24: Gilbert Arenas (920) [Kobe Bryant (918)]

All three of these guys are playing ball at both an extremely high, and extremely close level.

[Buckley]

arenas should keep doing what hes doing. main reason why im doing well in fantasy

[---]

I think Gilbert is better than Wade.

Jordan had Pippen,Rodman,Kerr...
the Lakers today have Kobe,Kobe,KOBE... luke walton could be superstar-ish one day but not any time soon, Kwame is showing improvment but still sucks ass. Vujacic shouldnt even be shooting. Brian Cook... BRIAN COOK R U EFFEN SERIOUS..Ronny Turiaf is good energy guy but what does a good energy guy last for?? 4 minutes..

It's funny how you didn't mention Lamar Odom once. He is the only thing thats keeping this team winning, because no matter how good Kobe is, they need a second man. Unless you didn't include him because you said "the Lakers today", but that would be a pretty dumb thing to say when talking about championship hopes - considering Lamar will be back way before the playoffs begin.

EDIT: Just saw Gilbert ended up with 31 points on 8-13 FG and 10-10 FT. Nice

[Axel]

I think Gilbert is better than Wade.

The same Gilbert who choked and missed clutch free throws against the Cavs? That same Gilbert?

Cocksucking bandwagoner.

[---]

Are you trying to say Gilbert is not clutch? Are you trying to say 2 missed free throws define a players career? And finally, you are calling me a bandwagoner?

I don't get your post. Gilbert has proven he belongs in this league and hat he is one of the best. He was picked in the 2nd round and his only competition for "The best player from the draft" are Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol, Jason Richardson and Zach Randolph. He is no doubt better than the last three, and while some may disagree, I don't think Joe Johnson is at Gilberts level.

And yes, I think Gilbert is better than Wade. Right now, he is just better. I'm not saying alot better, it is very close, but in my opinion Gilbert is better. Come seasons end, I may consider Dwyane better, it depends on how the players play. Just remember, I am talking right now.

Bandwagoner? I'm not jumping on the Gilbert Arenas bandwagon, so shut the fuck up.

[Jugs]

Zach Randolph > anyone else from his draft class.

[dan_suth]

I'm just wondering, how do you consider Gilbert Arenas better than Dwayne Wade? Don't get me wrong, Gilbert is a great player... but better than Wade? If you're going by statistics, Wade has better numbers in rebounds, assists, blocks, and field goal percentage. Arenas is better from the free throw line, shooting 3 pointers, and has a slight lead in points per game. Stats show that Wade is a much more complete player. And if you're going by who's leading their team better, the Wizards are only 2 games ahead of Miami who has been without Shaq all year long. I just think that it's preposterous to think the Arenas is better than Wade, who is a Finals MVP by the way, and a proven big-time clutch player. Arenas is making all this noise scoring 54 and 60 points in the regular season, but I want to see what he can do in big-time moments.

Also, I would consider Wade's performance on Christmas Day to be the best overall game by any player in the league so far this year (except maybe Steve Nash against New Jersey - but that went to 3OT). I mean look at his line!! 40 pts, 4 rebs, 11 asts, 4 stls, 4 blks, 60% from the floor, 15-16 from the line. Just watching him play that day simply put me in awe, the guy is brilliant, and quite possibly the best player in the league... and that's pretty crazy coming from a die-hard Pistons fan!

[Matt]

The same Gilbert who choked and missed clutch free throws against the Cavs? That same Gilbert?

well then i guess LeBron James sucks balls too.

[Axel]

Are you trying to say Gilbert is not clutch?

I'm saying he's not as clutch as Wade, who hit clutch shot after clutch shot in the Finals. Gilbert choked in the first round on a couple of a free throws.

Wade is a much more complete player, and if his past performances haven't already shown you that, I'm not even going to bother trying.

[beau_boy04]

even Wade is better than Arenas and Kobe is > than Wade in most categories then what the f*ck is Arenas talking about? I wanna know what he's smoking

[bigh0rt]

PER:
Arenas 26.31
Wade 28.35

eFG:
Arenas 51.6
Wade 49.4

Only two statistics, but what they say on one level is that Arenas has been a better shooter than Wade (this season, not to mention this is something that I'm not sure many people would argue) but overall offensively, Wade has been definitively better than Gilbert Arenas, and with a ceiling of 30, he's been damn near perfect.

Arenas does have a higher PER, however, than LeBron James (26.15), Kobe Bryant (23.79), Carmelo Anthony (25.73) & Steve Nash (23.94), but lower than Tim Duncan (26.60), Dirk Nowitzki (27.28) & Kevin Garnett (26.57). One thing is for sure - Arenas is performing on par with every player mentioned here, but rarely is he discussed in the same sentence as them, no?

[Axel]

It's because his teams haven't been very successful.

[Mayerhendrix]

Now he's got a legitimate claim, with the Wizards having that amazing game last night and being as successful as they've been lately.



As for Kobe, he should take on a role like he did in the playoffs last year against the Suns. Score modestly and distribute well, but when it's needed, take over and dominate. He's on a team with young guys like Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum who can succeed, but only if they're involved instead of being bystanders while Kobe goes for scoring records.

[Eugene]

Well, this season, Kobe has been distributing more, letting the other guys take over. Luke Walton, for example, is having a career year, as are Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum. That's not saying a whole lot considering their previous performances, but if you look at it another way, the Lakers are getting these guys to produce when in the past they have been mediocre, and Kobe's been a big part of that.

[Sauru]

the worst thing about any debate involving kobe is, every single fan of kobes has to bring up 81, like that alone proves he is better, or in some cases the best ever. by that logic wilt was far and away the best player in history.

[J@3]

Well it can't exactly be ignored either. I mean only one person in NBA history has ever scored more points in a game, it's not a small overblown deal like some other "milestones".

[Sauru]

i agree that it should not be ignored, but it is used as the main reason why he is better than whoever. i actually had an argument about kobe/jordan and all he kept saying was 81 over and over. it was really annoying lol. now it is a great thing for him, and i would be willing to bet that even if everyone tried to get to 80 only a hand full could and would do so with a poor percentage, so it is great, but by no means does it auto maticly make him better.


btw i think its silly that gilbert is trying to compare himself to kobe. he has nothing under his belt to do so.

[Mayerhendrix]

To expand Kobe's claim with that record, the style of the game is different now too, so that 81 point game could even be said as rivaling Wilt's 100 point game.


Personally, I think the fact that he outscored a team 62-61 on his own is equally great, if not greater.

[J@3]

i agree that it should not be ignored, but it is used as the main reason why he is better than whoever. i actually had an argument about kobe/jordan and all he kept saying was 81 over and over. it was really annoying lol. now it is a great thing for him, and i would be willing to bet that even if everyone tried to get to 80 only a hand full could and would do so with a poor percentage, so it is great, but by no means does it auto maticly make him better.

Oh yeah, there's always going to be idiots who'll use one game as an entire argument. I don't think it should be excluded from any arguments but you can hardly base the entire thought process on it.

[dada]

Even before the 81 point game people were saying he was great and its only just the icing on the cake so why not bring it up? As Jae said is should not be excluded. Its Kobe Bryant, not some guy who average 12 pts per over his career and never had success in the league. I'll always bring up the 81 pt game if I'm defending the guy because it was that great a game.

[Sauru]

To expand Kobe's claim with that record, the style of the game is different now too, so that 81 point game could even be said as rivaling Wilt's 100 point game.


Personally, I think the fact that he outscored a team 62-61 on his own is equally great, if not greater.

i gotta disagree with 81 rivaling 100 for a few reasons. first there was no 3's(wilt would not shoot them even if there was) and second the 100 came from a incredibly bad free throw shooter, bryant is rather good at the line. then you have to consider that currently the nba is trying its best to increase scoring specially for its stars, which brings up the next point. in todays game the stars are really the main focus for scoring. i mean you could go back to the bird or magic days and they could have easily scored much bigger numbers than they did but they always played in a way that didnt remove thier teammates from the game. todays nba is all about giving your best player the ball and getting the hell out of his way.

so i dont think you can say 81 rivals 100 but then thats just my opinion. you could always argue that wilt was a monster for his time and was essentially unstopable. guess its all a matter of opinion