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Postby Jackal on Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:18 pm

Jesus, what a game. It's both enjoyable and irritating to watch.

Enjoyable because of the high level of tension ofcourse but irritating because of the lousy calls being made. I mean at the 1.14 mark of regular time, that was one of the cleanest blocks I've ever seen. (Carter on Stoudemire.) Had that bogus call not been made, he would've probably not fouled out with that supposed 6th foul, instead it would've been his fifth.

Seriously, everytime anyone tries to play what remotely looks like defense, the refs call a foul. It's bloody pathetic.

On another note, what an amazing shot by Nash to send it in to first OT. :o
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Postby Matt on Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:41 pm

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Kidd....38pnts 14 reb 14 ast :shock:
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Postby Chris_23 on Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:42 pm

Oh my.. This is definetly the best game I've seen all season long.
Absolutely amazing game by the leagues best point guards and their supporting cast. I never expected there to be a place in nowadays leaguefor a workhorse like Kidd, with his age, such a sight. Nor did I expect there to be a place in the league for modern-day Stockton, but there it is, Nash.

Wonderful game. I'm not a fan of either teams and was absolutely amazed by the game, NBA basketball at it's best. I did not even mind the calls.
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Postby cyanide on Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:48 pm

Wow. That must've been an incredible game to watch. I think I have to watch this one, because looking at the stats, holy shit, that was quite a duel with Kidd and Nash.

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Postby ThaLiveKing on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:35 pm

FUCKING BULLSHIT, I MISSED IT. . .I seen the score and was like WHAT THE HEEELLLL
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Postby Nel on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:42 pm

Best game so far. Too bad carter fouled out. It would have been nice to see him takeover the game in OT.
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Postby Christopherson on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:49 pm

Anyone who tries to say Nash is the next John Stockton never say Stock play. They have completely different styles of game.
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Postby Matt on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:50 pm

.....and Stockton was actually an excellent defender (all time leader in steals?)
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Re: Nets vs. Suns

Postby joejam999 on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:51 pm

Jackal wrote:Seriously, everytime anyone tries to play what remotely looks like defense, the refs call a foul. It's bloody pathetic.


Seriously though that is what this league is coming too.
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Postby arrell on Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:56 pm

Isn't Jason Kidd third highest for triple doubles now? I think he's passed Wilt Chamberlain now.
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Postby joejam999 on Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:00 pm

He tied him for 3rd.
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Postby Axel on Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:31 pm

Matt wrote:.....and Stockton was actually an excellent defender (all time leader in steals?)


Nash isn't that bad of a defender. He usually has to double off his man, so it looks bad in the box score. He's quick enough though to be a pest on defense, and usually does a good job on on double teams and help plays. He's also willing to give up his body for charges.

For the game, I watched it all for the most part. I was amazed that the Nets shot the ball so well, especially on jumpers. This team is usually one of the worst on 3's and jumpshooting, but some less than great shooters stepped it up tonight to keep them close. I doubt they'll shoot it great like that again for awhile.

Nash was clutch the entire game. Not only was the shot at the end of the 1st OT a big one, but I dont recall him missing but maybe one shot in the 4th quarter, and all overtimes combined. He hit basically everything, and was automatic from the free throw line. Anyone who doesn't think this guy is a clutch performer hasn't seen him play. The playoff game two years ago against Dallas... the double OT thriller against Denver last year.. game winner against Golden State two weeks ago, and again tonight (and thats just off the top of my head).
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Postby Chris_23 on Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:42 pm

Christopherson wrote:Anyone who tries to say Nash is the next John Stockton never say Stock play. They have completely different styles of game.


Yeah I've merely seen around dozen games by Stockton but I still consider Nash as the closest to Stockton the league has right now. Sure, Stockton was an amazing defender, but I meant the way Nash handled the ball against the Nets today, those threepointers and stock-to-malone type of passes to Marion and Stoudemire.

Different, yea, but alot more accurate statement than saying LeBron is the next Jordan which goes around too often. What I meant was similar like Kobe-MJ similar. I just see Stock type of playmaking in Nash, and am as fascinated seeing him as I was with Stockton during old Jazz better seasons, but that's just my obviously ignorant opinion :)
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Postby Christopherson on Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:13 pm

Let's just say Stockton's team would have never been in a game where over 300 points were scored. The only similarity I see in the two players is that they both record lots of assists.
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Postby bigh0rt on Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:20 pm

Watched this one in its entirety. What a fun game to catch.
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Postby dada on Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:34 pm

Man, Kidd and Nash both had an amazing game. I think the stats are enough for me, I surely couldnt have kept up with that one.
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Postby [Q] on Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:43 pm

yeah that shot by Nash was crazy. I don't think Kidd should've taken that shot at the end of OT, but I guess RJ wasn't open. throughout the whole OT & 2OT I was hoping it would stay close to the end... but Phx blew it open late in 2OT.
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Postby thegreatdivide on Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:23 pm

Christopherson wrote:Let's just say Stockton's team would have never been in a game where over 300 points were scored. The only similarity I see in the two players is that they both record lots of assists.


That's more a reflection on Sloans coaching than on the similarities between the two players...

This next statement isnt intended to offend Stockton lovers or take away from Stocktons greatness:

It doesnt hurt a pass first (ALL-TIME NBA LEADER in assists) point guard to have arguably the best PF (and 2nd ALL-TIME leading points scorer(!!)) of all time receiving your handoffs. That is something that Nash doesnt have and has won back to back MVPs plying that trade.

Its just a point that was made... I second that Nash is a modern day Stockton... no other point guard is doing the same thing to get THAT comparison.

Oooh, I wonder how things would have turned out if Nash had've played with Malone back then... *sigh*

AAAAANYWAYS, great game from the sounds of it... might have to try find it somewhere.
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Re: Nets vs. Suns

Postby Metsis on Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:17 pm

Jackal wrote:Jesus, what a game. It's both enjoyable and irritating to watch.

Enjoyable because of the high level of tension ofcourse but irritating because of the lousy calls being made. I mean at the 1.14 mark of regular time, that was one of the cleanest blocks I've ever seen. (Carter on Stoudemire.) Had that bogus call not been made, he would've probably not fouled out with that supposed 6th foul, instead it would've been his fifth.

Seriously, everytime anyone tries to play what remotely looks like defense, the refs call a foul. It's bloody pathetic.

On another note, what an amazing shot by Nash to send it in to first OT. :o


Carter actually said that he thought he had 4 fouls and intentionally stopped the clock so that they couldn't get a triple off... Or that's what I read everywhere...
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Postby Jugs on Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:56 pm

I'll be downloading this game.
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Postby nets4life on Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:57 pm

mean game, although i had to watch the play by plays and boxscores on nba.com it was fun... ish. Congrats on Kidd for being the 3rd equal trip dub scorer. oh and Fuck You Steve Nash! :evil:
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Postby Jackal on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:35 am

Carter actually said that he thought he had 4 fouls and intentionally stopped the clock so that they couldn't get a triple off... Or that's what I read everywhere...

Had it not been for the block that was called a foul, Carter would have been right. If anyone has footage of that block on Amare, do post it.

And the comentaters actually made me fall off my chair, suddenly out of nowhere I hear them go...Steve Nash is the best guy to play the pick and roll. The other commentater guy was like quiet...and the first one realised what he just said and he's like...Stockton was great, don't get me wrong, but Nash can do so much out of the pick & roll blah blah blah. Save it, Stockton & Malone perfected the pick & roll, not Nash. :?
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Postby Christopherson on Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:58 am

thegreatdivide:

just a few thoughts about your post

1) Stockton did have Malone, but he also had Greg Ostertag and Adam Keefe to pass to. Nash has Stoudamire, Marion, Diaw, Bell, Barbosa, he had Q Richardson Joe Johnson. I think he had more people to pass to.

2) Stockton never sprinted the floor and pushed the ball the way Nash does. Stock was more of a walk the ball up the floor kind of guy. Stockton excelled in the half court game, Nash in the fast break. I would say Nash plays a bit more like Isiah Thomas did, though Nash isn't even close to either of these two defensively.
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Postby shadowgrin on Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:47 am

thegreatdivide wrote:It doesnt hurt a pass first (ALL-TIME NBA LEADER in assists) point guard to have arguably the best PF (and 2nd ALL-TIME leading points scorer(!!)) of all time receiving your handoffs.

Stockton did have his work cut out for him. It doesn't really help when your passing to someone who's the all-time leader in turnovers.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/leade ... nover&lg=n

(Check out who's the 2nd leader in TO's, he has a 10:3 asts-TO ratio :o )
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Postby Chris_23 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:58 am

Heh, that's interesting statistic right there, had no idea the duo had such a hard time holding onto the ball. But still, Jazz was a success late 90s with their team. Similarly to this years Jazz, their roster was not all that great but the team clicked really well. Despite the turnovers.

Shame all that didn't end with a shiny ring though.
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