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Raptors what are they doing?

Postby ghettobplayer on Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:12 pm

The Raptors look like they have their heads in their @ss ...They have like two players who are actually doing things ...Alvin Williams and A.D ....Mo'Pete better be more constent then he has been ...J.Y.D has been a force he should take mo's sport once they get vince back....Lindsey hunter got to understand to slow it down some times ....
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Postby TheBob on Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:34 am

Give lenard some props too, he's been great for the raptors especially in the first few games. As for the game against the Hawks, they were simply outscored. The Hawks have alot more weapons than a depleted Raptors squad. You shouldn't expect much from them at the moment, maybe for them to hover around 500 and just hope that they'll be healthy soon. Don't worry though, if they ever get healthy they'll be a team to be reckoned with, they're a very deep team now with Lenard, Hunter, Murray( hopefully Mo Pete) and JYD comming off the bench.
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Postby Rens on Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:13 am

Yeah! Be a true fan and bash your team when they're not doing well! I bet you were supporting the Bulls during the Raps' 16-66 season and when they got Carter and you saw they might have a shot you became a Raptor "fan"... and you probably going to reply by saying you've been a fan all the way since 93, right? (I know they started in the 95-96 season... wanted to point out your stoopidity...) bandwagoners...
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Postby TheBob on Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:21 am

Who are you addressing?
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Postby ghettobplayer on Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:31 am

ummm i aint bashing them raptors ..I love them...they just always go way from the things that work ... Alvin is da shit ....you see him block against the sixers ...
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Postby bishibashiboy on Tue Nov 26, 2002 3:11 pm

i hate the raptors and vince carter
they're so over-rated..with or without vince..

honesty..he has yet to show that he can carry a team like t-mac or AI..and i can't stand his non-stop "injuries"..christ..did anybody read about him hittin up nelly's concert recently?..busted leg my ass

feel free to flame..ahha..i just felt like bashing them cuz i honestly just can't stand them
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Postby Rens on Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:43 am

he has yet to show that he can carry a team like t-mac

Yeah.. leading your team to the first round is great huh... 2nd round is much worse...
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Postby bishibashiboy on Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:31 am

haha..well..let's just say without T-mac the Magic would have been lucky to make the playoffs..sure they did it with darrel armstrong leading..but that's more of an exception than a rule..

without vince..raptors still made the playoffs...something's obviously wrong when that happens

im not taking anything away from what vince did before in guiding to game 7 of the 2nd round..but honestly..he has yet to show he can be dominant and he seems too chicken to take the big shots in most games..too passive..that ain't no leader there
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Postby Wall St. Peon on Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:02 pm

haha..well..let's just say without T-mac the Magic would have been lucky to make the playoffs..sure they did it with darrel armstrong leading..but that's more of an exception than a rule..


Well, with that hypothetical situation the Magic could have also had a healthy Grant Hill and most likely would have made the playoffs anyway...so that point is mute as the Magic have two legit All-Stars.

without vince..raptors still made the playoffs...something's obviously wrong when that happens


Um...well, having a winning streak your last 15 games or whatever it was to make the playoffs isn't how teams make the playoffs. It's based on the record for the season...if the Raptors didn't have VC putting up 25 points a game the first half of the season, and toward the end, would they have been able to make the playoffs? Think about that...

Another reason they made the playoffs was because everyone else was healthy and Mo Pete was actually playing consistantly, throw in Keon Clark's drastic improvement over the second half of the season and you have it right there.

im not taking anything away from what vince did before in guiding to game 7 of the 2nd round..


Yes, actually you are...

but honestly..he has yet to show he can be dominant and he seems too chicken to take the big shots in most games..too passive..that ain't no leader there


So he isn't MJ...I'm sorry he's not your favorite player. However, without Carter the Raptors are the Cavs at best. They have no real scorer, center, anything. With Carter, they're a playoff team. He's dominant in scoring - not so much this year, but he's only played like 3 games - and he has critics to answer which makes me think he will take that big shot or make the big play. Did anyone bash Jordan for deferring to Kerr or Kukoc? No. Why? Because they were good enough to make the shot...Carter passes to an open man and they brick it, thus the cries of 'pussy' and 'scared to be a leader' and so on...although he does appear that way sometime. However, simply because he doesn't 'take the big shot' in your opinion (and honestly, how many Raptors games have you seen?) doesn't mean that he's not dominant when he is (look at the stats), isn't an enormous factor in the Raptors playoff picture (which he is), and isn't a leader? While he looks lethargic at times, he generally gets the job done...
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Postby bishibashiboy on Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:43 pm

u made a lot of good points..but i still don't agree with a few of them..

Enahs Live wrote:[Um...well, having a winning streak your last 15 games or whatever it was to make the playoffs isn't how teams make the playoffs. It's based on the record for the season...if the Raptors didn't have VC putting up 25 points a game the first half of the season, and toward the end, would they have been able to make the playoffs? Think about that...

that's true..but i just find it amazing how well the team gelled once he was gone..not just the scoring..but everything..i just feel that they weren't very assertive when he was in the lineup (although don't bug me a/b what's happening to them now) and they had so much more potential
but that streak was pretty amazing though w/o his precious 25 points/game for that length of time and i'll be honest here..i counted them out the moment Vince went down last year..but in the end there was just something i liked a/b the fact that the Raptors made it to the playoffs without him.. :D

Enahs Live wrote:So he isn't MJ

damn right

Enahs Live wrote:I'm sorry he's not your favorite player.

actually i used to think he was great..then he became Mr. Glass and the rest is history

Enahs Live wrote:He's dominant in scoring

well i wouldn't go that far..25 is not dominant

Enahs Live wrote:he has critics to answer which makes me think he will take that big shot or make the big play

that would be good...if it ever happens

Enahs Live wrote:Did anyone bash Jordan for deferring to Kerr or Kukoc? No. Why? Because they were good enough to make the shot...Carter passes to an open man and they brick it, thus the cries of 'pussy' and 'scared to be a leader' and so on...

hell given the choice i'd pass to kerr over some of the guys on the raptors..but the point still stands..when the game is on the line..he doesn't come thru...that's one of the things ppl have against Garnett as well..sometimes he's TOO unselfish at the end of games..and doesn't shoot it..whether Carter's afraid or not i dunno..Jordan was different..he took big shots early in his career and didn't pass..u kno he was a proven clutch player..and wasn't scared to shoot..with Carter, he has yet to do that..or at least not on a regular basis..if he misses..he misses...he's got to show he's the leader of the team and take the game to the other team...if i were their opponent..i'd much prefer their role players shooting with the game on the line than him..think a/b it...

Enahs Live wrote:(and honestly, how many Raptors games have you seen?)

probably more than u..i live in Vancouver..and ever since the grizzlies got deported by that cocksucker ALL they ever have up here is raptors this..raptors that..makes me kinda sick of them..which is partly why i see them as so overrated

Enahs Live wrote:doesn't mean that he's not dominant when he is (look at the stats)

i've seen them..they're impressive..but stats are just stats...Dominque had good stats..did ppl call him dominant?..nope

Enahs Live wrote:While he looks lethargic at times, he generally gets the job done

true..but ppl build him up as the 2nd coming..which he definitely isn't..at least not yet..although he might be the 2nd coming of the Human Highlight Reel
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