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Postby air gordon on Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:06 am

this "beating" he gets is not significantly different then most of the forwards in the league. possibly even less. KG shouldn't receive any higher accolade then those players who are consistently going for rebounds

you're missing the point between playing a physical/rugged game and finesse style. i'm not calling Garnett a soft player but his offense game is more going over/around a defender then going through one.

and as far as the double teaming, most of the time the 'fighting' he's doing is using his length and height to pass over the it lol
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Postby Riot on Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:55 am

air gordon wrote:this "beating" he gets is not significantly different then most of the forwards in the league. possibly even less. KG shouldn't receive any higher accolade then those players who are consistently going for rebounds

you're missing the point between playing a physical/rugged game and finesse style. i'm not calling Garnett a soft player but his offense game is more going over/around a defender then going through one.

and as far as the double teaming, most of the time the 'fighting' he's doing is using his length and height to pass over the it lol


You must not watch too many Timberwolves games. Garnett gets practically beat up in the post (offensively and defensively) every game. The double teams are often executed with grabs, holds and sometimes even flat out tackles (ELSON!). In fact, Dwane Casey and the Timberwolves sent film to the NBA of players grabbing and hitting Garnett in the post without it being called. Just because Garnett does fadeaways doesn't mean he can't take a beating. The guy battles for boards, plays physical defense and is the only legit inside threat for the Timberwolves.

Garnett doesn't take the same beating an Allen Iverson takes but it is closer than you think. There are many times during a game where my heart stops because Garnett twists an ankle or or takes a shot to the ribs. He usually just walks it off and doesn't miss a second.

Some people just want to argue the stupidest things. I can understand arguing about his game and about how he hasn't won a championship because that is a legit debate. However, debating over if he takes a beating or not? Aren't you attacking him a little too much? Do you look for reasons to nitpick?
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Postby air gordon on Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:55 am

relax there, mr knee jerk reaction every time someone says something remotely negative about Garnett

yes i watch many Timberwolves games since Garnett was my best player on my fantasy basketball team. in fact i've become a bigger fan of his after extensively following him this past season. i appreciate the effort and consistency of his great performances night in and night out

but let's be real here. to say he gets a HUGE beating is going off the deep end. the nba is a physical game- everyone gets held, elbowed, fouled hard, and so on. Garnett is a power forward so it is only natural he'll be involved some contact on defense. and fadeways doesn't necessarily mean he can't take a beating, but when you are shooting a lot of fadeways/jumpers more often then scoring in the paint, you are less likely to take a beating

when i see Garnett initiate contact/go through defenders/get to the FT line more on a consistent basis like someone such as Allen Iverson, maybe then i'll start thinking they are close in the taking a beating department
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Postby Metsis on Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:48 pm

Boys, boys, boys... Relax a bit... All the players do take a beating during games. The bigger the star, usually the bigger the beating. Since Garnett is next to impossible to stop one-on-one, he gets help defenses around alot and the defenders try to stop him with some dirtier tricks... Because the clean ones just won't work. This is essentially the same for all the star players in the league. Of course there are differences in the ways that guys play that can effect the amount of beating, like with D-Wade and Iverson relentlessly attacking the rim with reckless abandon or Stojakovic etc. guys that score a lot of their points from away from the basket probably don't get beat up as bad as the guys who go to the rim over and over again.

When this all is factored in for Garnett... Well, his offense isn't the most aggressive one, he does lots of jumpers and generally has no need to get to the rim every time. Thus he probably isn't hit as much, but he is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league and those rarely come easy sometimes the contact is pretty rough on those plays, so he gets a whole lot of that in each game. And as one of the biggest stars in the league, he probably gets his share of dirty tricks in the post so the beating is probably pretty bad...

He gets beat up like everyone else... I would think that this is probably on the same level as Duncan, Shaq and Amare... Even Shaq has wondered a couple of years back that how Iverson can handle the beating he takes on the court... That is certainly a good question :shock:

Garnett doesn't play the aggressive style, because he can get it done by other means that are effective to him... KG's consistency is the reason he is so great. Some players have great games and then fade for a while, but KG never seems to let up and always is playing at a high level and the stats show that to its fullest. He is a miraculous player that can easily carry a team with some talent... Unlucky for him, the team has not had any talent in recent years.
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Postby CERVANTES on Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:55 pm

It happened even to me. As there's no D that can stop me, they tried to punch me on the stomach when I was shooting. Anyways I could hit baskets normaly, I'm just strong.

And about KG, I understand he's not happy in Minnesota, because that team has no future, and he's getting old. If he could end up in ... dunnoh... Seattle, with Ray Allen, Rashard, Lucky Luke and Wilcox ... it could be fantastic for him, a great oportunity. But he can't do anything with the Timberwolves right now.
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Postby Riot on Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:42 am

Garnett just wants to see this team show improvement. I think they will improve and make the playoffs next season. If my prediction is true I don't see Garnett leaving.
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Postby Silas on Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:13 am

There's no way Garnett would end up in Seattle unless Seattle gave up Rashard or Ray, or Wilcox turned into a star and they traded him and one of the "project" centers that turned into something.

Or if he signed with them but I dont think they'd ever have the cap space or desire to spend that much money.
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Postby Riot on Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:22 am

If the Timberwolves did trade Garnett I highly doubt they would trade him to a division rival.
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