Truth wants A.I.; likes Mo-Pete and Boozer! C's need deal!

[8-Hype]

So what do you Celtics fans think of the moves arranged so far? Could be bad, but good as well. But now, in my opinion, the Celtics cannot count on young players anymore, as the 05/06 season showed. Their roster was just ineffective due to the lack of some veterans that know the game. I mean, Gomes and Jefferson are some good players, obviously, but they just don't give the Celtics what they need.

There should be a trade soon, I think, and some veteran has to be landed in exchange for multiple players. There are talks that Ainge intends to trade for Iverson, but that would be the worst decision for the dynasty. Iverson is a scorer, Pierce also is... and that just wouldn't fit, as they are both among the leading top scorers in the NBA and are addicted to scoring points, and Iverson just can't get rid of the ball which would be not so good for Pierce who is, without any doubts, a very sound and rare franchise player and unlike any other.

The Doc probably is going to start, if there won't be any further trades this offseason, with following guys:

C Kendrick Perkins
PF Ryan Gomes
SF Paul Pierce
SG Wally Szczerbiak
PG Delonte West

But that doesn't make any sense! You know what exactly this starting lineup achieved last year. There has to be a drastic change, apparently. First of all, Theo Ratliff, the great stopper, has to be placed into the starting lineup instead of Perkins. I don't think that they will re-sign Michael Olowokandi, so that would be the right choice in terms of their starting lineup.

Sebastian Telfair came to the Celtics as the "true point guard", and Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair are both young guys who know their game. Of course the Celtics wouldn't dismiss a Jason Kidd typed player, but it's far from that. Wally is a great shooter with not so bad defense, and Pierce is just the right guy at SF. They could relish a better center, as well, but Ratliff and Perkins would be enough.

What the C's really are in need of is a go-to Power Forward, who cleans up the boards and scores. And I think this is just the player they should be keeping and eye out for. Some articles said that they would like to acquire Rashard Lewis, Shawn Marion or Jermaine O'Neal. And also another article said that the Celtics are in a better position this season for a 2-for-1 or even 3-for-1 trade than last year. And that is exactly what they should do. In my eyes, Jermaine O'Neal is the players that would fit perfectly regarding every single aspect. They should do this:

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Olowokandi (sign-and-trade)
Jefferson
Scalabrine

in exchange for

Jermaine O'Neal
some other player (if possible)
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The Pacers would then be served with a Center, a replacing Power Forward and a shooter who they really need since Peja is gone. They are also in talks with Al Harrington, so O'Neal wouldn't be a loss to them. Or they should go for Drew Gooden, but the Cavaliers would certainly math that offer. What do you all think, C's fans?

[Unrestrict3D]

I personally think Boston should start Telfair rather than West. I also think it'd be interesting to see Jermaine O'Neal in a green Celtics uniform.

[Silas]

I think the Iverson trade wouldnt be so bad if they kept Telfair or West because that would allow Iverson to start at SG, and I think when you have two big scorers in Iverson and Pierce its better for Iverson to play off the ball more.

I also dont think Indiana would accept that trade unless Either Delonte West or Sebastian Telfair was included because the Pacers dont have much depth at PG.

[elwudl]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41294/20060704/boston_cools_on_iverson_trade/
Iverson won't come to the Celtics.

In the new season I would bring this starting lineup:

C Perkins
PF Gomes
SF Pierce
SG Green
PG Telfair

Perkins, Gomes have shown impact at times last season. Perhaps Perkins has his breakout this season. Pierce needn't be explained. Green has shown some good performances as starter at the end of last season. Telfair is a true point guard, who could set up for Green and especially Pierce.
That would mean Ratliff, Jefferson, Szczerbiak and West are coming off the bench. Would be a nice fit I think, although this starting lineup may be a bit too young. But you could always switch in Ratlif for C or PF and Szcerzbiak for SG to solve that prob.

[8-Hype]

I also dont think Indiana would accept that trade unless Either Delonte West or Sebastian Telfair was included because the Pacers dont have much depth at PG.

Yeah, I had that same vision, too. Then instead of Scalabrine they would send West, I think.

Perkins, Gomes have shown impact at times last season. Perhaps Perkins has his breakout this season.

That was it what I was trying to explain. They really have made some changes to their game, but overall most of the two big men (C and PF) of other teams are much better in rebounding and scoring. They can't keep it like that, with that complation they ended up missing the playoffs by far last season. Both of them are way too unexperienced. They need a veteran!

you could always switch in Ratlif for C or PF and Szcerzbiak for SG to solve that prob.

Ratliff won't play PF, I think, and Green in the starting lineup over Wally? Needless to say that this won't happen. Green doesn't have any defense at all, and he still has much to learn. He's still a knucklehead. And Doc would rather put him on SF than SG.

Green has shown some good performances as starter at the end of last season. Telfair is a true point guard, who could set up for Green and especially Pierce.

Telfair indeed is a great point guard, but I don't think he will be the first choice. Firstly, he's new to the team. And secondly, West had a great season and really understands the Celtics' game. He puts up Pierce and Wally, and makes some incredible passes. He always finds a teamamte for an open shot. And Green really convinced the other players that he can score, but that is not enough. He had that playing time just because Wally missed the last month, and Pierce the last three games. But again, his defense needs some serious development.

[Indy]

That is possibly the worst Jermaine trade idea I have ever seen. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The only way Boston could get Jermaine would be by trading Pierce. Jermaine is a year in year out all star starter, and you think that you could get him for a horrible Center with a bad contract, a benchwarmer, and an undersized power forward? I actually like Jefferson, but this is still completely ridiculous. The only thing that Indiana would come CLOSE to taking other then Pierce for JO would be Green/West/Jefferson. And even then, Bird would laugh Ainge off the phone.

Ratliff a defensive stopper? That's funny. He's a good weak side defender and shot blocker, but he's horrible at man defense in the post, in fact, he's one of the worst strong side/man defenders in the NBA.

[8-Hype]

Actually an article said that Jermaine is on the lower part of Ainge's wish list. He would rather prefer a Rashard Lewis or Shawn Marion trade. I hope they pull off a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade in order to get all the waste out of Boston.

The only thing that Indiana would come CLOSE to taking other then Pierce for JO would be Green/West/Jefferson.

Of course they won't trade Pierce for a guy who actually should play with Pierce (that's the point of the trade). But Green/West/Jefferson for J.O. would be great!

He's a good weak side defender and shot blocker

This is what I meant, not the strong side defense part. I intended to say that he can erase certain smaller guys. That's what the Celts need.

[elwudl]

@8-Hype:

1) I don't think they can get O'Neal with this package. Indiana must be insane if they give their OK.

2) Telfair wasn't aquired that they can make a trade package including West. Also you are contradicting yourself. On the one side West will be the starting PG and on the otherside they will trade him (or try to trade him) for O'Neal.

3) You talk like West being a true point guard. But don't forget, West playing the PG started only because the Celtics lack a PG. He came into the league as SG. Of course he has gotten better, but there are surely 20 PGs in the league that are better than West. Including a healthy Sebastian Telfair. See the start of last season.

4) Why do you say the young Celtic big man are bad rebounders? Ok, their athleticism isn't the greatest, but they have strong built big bodies and look at these numbers (regular season Reb-48min):
- Kendrick Perkins 14.5
- Al Jefferson 13.5
- Ryan Gomes 10.4
And for a comparison some guys known as the leagues rebounding monsters:
- Erick Dampier 15.9
- Emeka Okafor 14.3
- Marcus Camby 17.3
- Ben Wallace 15.4
Other guys of which you could think have a high rebounding rating:
- Antonio McDyess 12.1
- Shawn Marion 14.1
- Chris Wilcox 13.0
So do you really think they are bad rebounders? Of course stats do not say everything, but they always indicating something.

5) Ratliff came into the league as a PF-C. He played both positions in his first few seasons in Detroit. In Philadelphia and Atlanta he mainly was the starting C, I admit that. But after coming to Portland and depending on their lack of big men Ratliff played the last two seasons also at the PF as far as I know. If I am wrong you are allowed to correct me

[8-Hype]

1) I don't think they can get O'Neal with this package. Indiana must be insane if they give their OK.

Another then.

2) Telfair wasn't aquired that they can make a trade package including West. Also you are contradicting yourself. On the one side West will be the starting PG and on the otherside they will trade him (or try to trade him) for O'Neal.

Yeah, I know, West is a good guard, but they could victimize him for J.O.

3) You talk like West being a true point guard. But don't forget, West playing the PG started only because the Celtics lack a PG. He came into the league as SG. Of course he has gotten better, but there are surely 20 PGs in the league that are better than West. Including a healthy Sebastian Telfair. See the start of last season.

He has actually grown into that position. I watched the Celtics when they played at the Knicks on March 29th, and the commentator said that he is a really revised player and fits PG perfectly and has a true understanding of PG position. A point guard with a good shooting touch.

4) Why do you say the young Celtic big man are bad rebounders? Ok, their athleticism isn't the greatest, but they have strong built big bodies and look at these numbers (regular season Reb-48min):
- Kendrick Perkins 14.5
- Al Jefferson 13.5
- Ryan Gomes 10.4
And for a comparison some guys known as the leagues rebounding monsters:
- Erick Dampier 15.9
- Emeka Okafor 14.3
- Marcus Camby 17.3
- Ben Wallace 15.4
Other guys of which you could think have a high rebounding rating:
- Antonio McDyess 12.1
- Shawn Marion 14.1
- Chris Wilcox 13.0
So do you really think they are weak rebounders?

Yeah, and they always substitute in when the no-namers are on the court. That's why they take so many rebounds per 48 minutes. Sometimes they are just lucky, but in no way I would categorize them as good rebounders.

5) Ratliff came into the league as a PF-C. He played both positions in his first few seasons in Detroit. In Philadelphia and Atlanta he mainly was the starting C, I admit that. But after coming to Portland and depending on their lack of big men Ratliff played the last two season also the PF as far as I know. If I am wrong you are allowed to correct me

Ratliff, I think, goes better with C, as he is not so familiar with scoring. He is just the big guy that rebounds and blocks, but not the Rasheed Wallace or Jermaine O'Neal type of player.

[elwudl]

Ryan Gomes started 33 games at SF and Kendrick Perkins 40 at C. So you can't say that their rebounding comes only against the opponent's bench guys or something. Also I remember a game where Ryan Gomes battled Shaq O'Neal and brought him into big trouble.

I have read that Theo Ratliff has learned some offensive game in the past. Does anyobody know there something about that? Stats don't show anything up.

[8-Hype]

Also I remember a game where Ryan Gomes battled Shaq O'Neal and brought him into big trouble.

Wasn't that Andrew Bynum of the Lakers?

[kinokong]

i too think it was bynum

[Jackal]

Why do you keep coming back Onnix or whatever your name was? Why?

Andrew Bynum did cause trouble for O'Neal, I'm really hoping he turns out to be something great or even close to it.

[elwudl]

Oh yeah it was Bynum, my fault, sorry

And who is Onnix?

[8-Hype]

Why do you keep coming back Onnix or whatever your name was? Why?

Why do you ask? Is it a violation or something? Everybody knows who I am, and it has been while since I was Onyx the last time.

[Axel]

@ B-Hype

Just ignore him.

wb to the forums.

[scrub]

If I were Larry Bird I would laugh at your trade suggestion. Scalabrine , Jefferson has potential and that is it imo and why would they want Olowokandi.

Add another team in to the equation like Utah or Philadelphia to make more sense but why give up your franchsie player for a project, a bust and .........Scalabrine

[Jackal]

Just ignore him.

You don't even know who he is...

[BIG GREEN]

Why do you keep coming back Onnix or whatever your name was? Why?

Why do you ask? Is it a violation or something? Everybody knows who I am, and it has been while since I was Onyx the last time.

Don't get baited...be above the influence.

[8-Hype]

Click on the links below.

The Truth wants Iverson in Boston.

The Truth likes Mo-Pete and Boozer for the C's.

C's are still searching for right deal.

Now that Pierce signed an extension that will keep him for the next five years in Boston, he can't just carry the team by his own anymore. He needs support, and I am sure the C's will pull off a deal soon.

Potential Iverson deal:

Allen Iverson
Steven Hunter

in exchange for

Wally Szczerbiak
Al Jefferson
Tony Allen
Brian Scalabrine

[kinokong]

you really dislike scalabrine don't you.... lol

anyways i don't like this deal for the sixers.... if they are gonna blow it apart, they might as well do it right and get some promising young prospects. jefferson is nice but they need a little more than him and szczerbiak

[J@3]

Potential Iverson deal:

Allen Iverson
Steven Hunter

in exchange for

Wally Szczerbiak
Al Jefferson
Tony Allen
Brian Scalabrine

That's an absolutely terrible trade. Whoever wrote the article should be fired.

[8-Hype]

That's an absolutely terrible trade.

You always say that when I suggest a trade. The author of this article explains why this would make sense for both teams. Even if I said that they should trade Iverson for Telfair, Pierce and Wally, that would follow:

That's an absolutely terrible trade.

you really dislike scalabrine don't you.... lol

Man, he is just trade value.

jefferson is nice but they need a little more than him and szczerbiak

Allen is a promising player, as well.

[J@3]

I can't help it if every offer you've suggested or posted has been completely retarded. Iverson averaged 33ppg last season for fuck sakes, and you/others think they're just going to give him away for Wally Sczerbiak and an overweight PF who can't even dominate summer leagues?

[8-Hype]

every offer you've suggested or posted has been completely retarded.

Please notice that this is your opinion. Other people might think other things. Jefferson has been injured for a long time, but still he can improve. Wally would be a perfect fit for Chris Webber.

But word is, the C's need a deal. Maybe not Iverson, but someone else. I personally don't like the idea of getting Iverson very much, because both Iverson and Pierce would have to share the ball much more than they ever did before. The C's need a Power Forward like Gooden or Boozer, maybe Wilcox.