Dwight Howard vs Amare Stoudamire - In Their Prime

[air gordon]

lol what is the basis for saying Amare Stoudemire has limited post moves?

the guy lit up against Duncan 2yrs ago and even in his rookie year he was already giving Duncan problems

i'd pick Stoudemire. better hands, can take the ball to the basket, already great at the pick and roll. the guy can dominate on the offensive end- demoralize the opponents/energize his team with his dunks... create havoc for the defense by getting to the FT often (and making them at a great clip)

Stoudemire isn't a great defender or rebouder but he certainly has the skills to be both. With good coaching...

[Nick]

I wonder how tall Howard is. He was measured out at 6'9 1/4'' at the predraft camp and he said that was his still his height during this past season, but Magic say that he's actually over 6'11. IMO, he was just bullshitting to persuade somebody, anybody that he should play like KG at the PF position.

Darko was 7'1 in shoes at the predraft camp. Him next to DH:

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/56975221.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=3F870D0094813432F930955D71F67C85

I think you're getting your measurements mixed up. Howard would've been 6'9" 1/4 without shoes, 6'10" 3/4 with shoes.

Amare vs Howard: Depends whether you want an active scorer and decent rebounder/defender or whether you want an active rebounder and decent scorer/defender.

I wouldn't put it past Howard to be one the best rebounders of our generation. But then i wouldn't put it past Amare to score 30 a game and rebound in double digits anyway. So i'd take Amare.

[Fenix]

I don't think I am. I was talking about his size without shoes. Orlando official said that he measured out at 6'9 1/2 when he first came in and now he's over 6'11. Looking at his measured size at the predraft camp, the official is probably also talking about his height in socks. That pic confirms that Darko, a legit 7' in socks, is no taller that inch and a half MAX (I know the difference looks smaller, but it's an optical illusion), so DH is around 7' with shoes on.

Damn, I hate this 'height with shoes' thing.

[ataman5]

Amare is so fucking quick, with his first step as a big guy is way much better than every other 4-5s, he can get to the basket so quickly and dunks on everyone so i'd take Amare.

[1CenT]

i just don't think people see howard and what he does as much as they've seen amare...
Amare will wow you with his offensive domination + potential impact defender..

But howard... This guy i think will give you consistently like 22/15/3-4 bpg, without getting the ball that much.. more points depending his development offensively.. But why i think howard is better is that because defence win games... Its easier to pick up a great scorer than a gifted defender/rebounder that has potential to score 25ppg..

But then, i would love to watch Amare over Howard anyday, just maybe not start a franchise with Amare over Howard tho..

[Axel]

But why i think howard is better is that because defence win games

That's one of the most overused, and most untrue sports cliches ever. You're kidding yourself if you think one is better than the other.

[scrub]

Career averages for both player will probably be -

Amare: 27/10/3 and 2 blocks (this is if he stays clear of injury)
Dwight: 23/13/2 and 2-3 blocks

The one very important thing that AMare has over Dwight is his first step.

[1CenT]

But why i think howard is better is that because defence win games

That's one of the most overused, and most untrue sports cliches ever. You're kidding yourself if you think one is better than the other.

a big man with probally a dominating defence presence, and a big man with good defensive tools..

I am guessing Dwight will greatly impact the flow with his defence, while amare will block some shots and do well against his man.. thats a BIG difference , and it makes one much better than the other..

but then, will dwight ever be as good as amare offensively? probally not, if they both keep improving, but then, like i said, its easier to find ppl that generate offense ..

[Mick]

I'm taking Dwight on this one.

Before his injury, I think Amare woudl have had a better career and have been more dominant in his prime, but now there may be that little hesitation to his game because of the knee. And a fixed knee is never as sound as an unbroken one.

Event though I don't get much nba coverage, I don't think Dwight has had as much opportunity to develop offensively as Amare has. With the Steve Francis experiment and shuffling management, Dwight hasn't had that offensive support he could have had. I'm not trying to say that should he get the touches he'll convert, just that he needs more of an opportunity to have a go before his offensive prowess can be fairly judged. Further, as Orlando doesn't have as many scoring options as the Suns have had (Nash, Marion, Johnson, Amare) the defence has been more aware of Dwight when he's had the ball.

In saying the above, before his injury Amare was on course to be an absolute MONSTER and had he continued, would probably have re-defined the way the PF was played, a more aggressive and muscular version of KG. The highlights I was able to watch just showed a very intimidating player capable of muscling his way through just about everyone.

If Amare can return and show no negative effects from his injury, regain his fitness, make up for the playing experience he could have been getting, and continue to develop as he was I would say that he would be not only better than dwight, but one of the best ever. But I can't see it happening at the moment...

[kinokong]

i think amare will go on to a karl malone type of career.... albeit shorter..... a player that can score in the lost post and rebound but really doesn't haven't much explosiveness.... this injury probably screwed amare from being the best power forward ever but hey karl malone isn't too bad of a comparison if you take out the fact that he likes mexican lolitas and hasn't won a championship....

[jerry]

Dwight....cause i dont like amare that much...only the dunk he did with the header off steve nash...
i think dwight is really good. he can dunk, he can extend his arms so high to catch an alleyoop, he can rebound(thats important. i hate it when i watch a raptors game and see the opponent team getting offensive rebounds...pisses me off that the raptors do nothin about it), and he is younger

ok amare is good i admit that.

[Dro]

Dwight....cause i dont like amare that much...only the dunk he did with the header off steve nash...
i think dwight is really good. he can dunk, he can extend his arms so high to catch an alleyoop, he can rebound(thats important. i hate it when i watch a raptors game and see the opponent team getting offensive rebounds...pisses me off that the raptors do nothin about it), and he is younger :0

ok amare is good i admit that.

Like Amare can't dunk?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AcbdYFOwNOk& ... stoudemire

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[j.23]

Dwight....cause i dont like amare that much...only the dunk he did with the header off steve nash...
i think dwight is really good. he can dunk, he can extend his arms so high to catch an alleyoop, he can rebound(thats important. i hate it when i watch a raptors game and see the opponent team getting offensive rebounds...pisses me off that the raptors do nothin about it), and he is younger

ok amare is good i admit that.

so dwight's gonna have a better career because he's a better dunker (in your eyes) and he can grab the occasional rebound? ah, i see.

i'm gonna remind myself to put that down as the criteria when it comes to judging players

[scrub]

I didn't know Amare was that PG-like. Somes of his moves are incredible. I think he could play the 3 also because of his athleticism and ball handling skills though he isn't a great shooter.

[magius]

Id take howard because of his defense. imo a big who can defend and rebound great is more valuable than one who can score; howards defensive potential is at least on par to amare's scoring. That said I won't lie that amare's knee caused hesitation, and if he hadn't had that injury I may have chose differently - but he did, and its too much of a risk right now. We'll see what happens next year.

[jerry]

I never said dwight is a better dunker..they're both good..i was just naming one good quality

[JohnA20]

After all the stuff that has been said, I'm just gonna add that Amare is a better FT shooter which I think gives him a big advantage as a big man.

[scrub]

Not really. You can't compare big men who are good at free throws to Shaq.

[The Other Kevin]

i think dwight is really good. he can dunk,

That's like saying that Gary Paton was better than Tim Hardaway because he had a crossover.

he can extend his arms so high to catch an alleyoop,

And Amare can jump up and extend his arms to catch an Alley-Oop. I'd rater have someone with more athletisism and less size than less athletesism and slightly more size.

he can rebound(thats important. i hate it when i watch a raptors game and see the opponent team getting offensive rebounds...pisses me off that the raptors do nothin about it),

Dwight is a better rebounder, but Amare can also rebound better than most.

and he is younger

Only by 32 years. And the disscussion is in thier prime, not 10 years.


P.S., retarted smilies just subtract from your point.

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[scrub]

Dwight is a better rebounder, but Amare can also rebound better than most.

Amare isn't a top rebounder for a guy that is 6'10/6'11. He averaged 8 per game last year which isn't that good. There are guys who get less minutes than him who have more rebounds per game like Tyson Chandler, Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy and Antawn Jamison.

[1CenT]

Dwight....cause i dont like amare that much...only the dunk he did with the header off steve nash...
i think dwight is really good. he can dunk, he can extend his arms so high to catch an alleyoop, he can rebound(thats important. i hate it when i watch a raptors game and see the opponent team getting offensive rebounds...pisses me off that the raptors do nothin about it), and he is younger :0

ok amare is good i admit that.

Like Amare can't dunk?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AcbdYFOwNOk& ... stoudemire

after watching that video.. i can truly say, i miss amare.. you thought Lebron/Wade is sick, man this is just SICK...

[JohnA20]

Not really. You can't compare big men who are good at free throws to Shaq.

I'm not comparing anyone to Shaq, I'm comparing Howard and Amare. Even if I was comparing to Shaq I could compare their free-throws, but it would prove they were better unless they had similar stats in other categories to Shaq, which isn't gonna happen unless I compared like Kareem or someone (don't even know if he shot well from FT). In this case, Amare and Howard have fairly similar stats so comparing FT% is relavent.

Also, apart from Jeff Foster, the other three guys don't have someone like Shaun Marion on their team rebounding, Amare doesn't have to rebound as much as Howard because he has Marion.

[fgrep15]

We don't know how Howard's offense will develop, yea we can speculate, but really till we know that, it's hard to say. Right now Howard is a better rebounder and defender, but offensively Amare is still superior.

If Dwight get's the offense similar to Amare, he will likely be the better player since he's better in the other areas already.

[The Other Kevin]

Dwight is a better rebounder, but Amare can also rebound better than most.

Amare isn't a top rebounder for a guy that is 6'10/6'11. He averaged 8 per game last year which isn't that good. There are guys who get less minutes than him who have more rebounds per game like Tyson Chandler, Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy and Antawn Jamison.

The 8.9 comes from 04-05. We don't know how Amare could have done this year, and how his leg will hold up.