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Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:22 pm

Oh for crying out loud, just face it: Mavs lost. :roll: I would rather blame Josh Howard's missed FT and called timeout than calling this game fixed. And does it really matter if foul was called on Dirk or Harris? Wade would still go to the line. And it's quite obvious (from that picture) that Harris grabbed Wade's arm. But I'll give you that it was a backcourt violation. But saying it was fixed is just ridicolous. And about that timeout...look what Nba.com says:

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," referee Joe Crawford said. "Forced to call it, simple as that."

Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:26 pm

This is getting beyond a joke. What difference did wades "backcourt violation" (i use the quotations becuase i dont think it was a violation. in normal circumstances it would have been, but when inbounding the ball the rules are probably slightly differen) make? Dallas still fouled him twice on that possesion. Its also interesting how the mavs fans/heat haters are quick to say "how oculd the refs make the "phantom"call on wade to determine the outcome, but yet they expect/demand the refs to make an even softer call on the inbounds pass?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:36 pm

Actually,

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I don't see the anyone fouling him. True, you can show us the pics, but those are helped by the angle they were taken. In fact, he should be also called for a travelling violation.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:39 pm

Since when is two steps a travel? Look at harris slap on wades arm, and dirks right hand pushing wade.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:42 pm

Looks like he barely got touched. Harris got his arm and Dirk had a hand on his back but there doesn't seem to be any force on it whatsoever. Wade always falls like that.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:50 pm

i think that is a foul since dirk had his hand on wades side and harris had a little slap near the end. tho that WAS a backcourt violation on Wade...

Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:50 pm

I wouldn't have made the call, but there was enough contact by both players to call either of them for the foul. You cant push someone in the back when they're on their way up in the air.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:00 pm

Yeah, I don't agree with the "OMG THERE WAS NO FOUL!!" but that kind of thing happens and gets ignored in every game. They could've let it slide, just a questionable time to enforce the rules to the letter.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:37 pm

The Almighty wrote:
Yohance Bailey wrote:
The Almighty wrote:
Yohance Bailey wrote:Yes...Wade has out performed Terry all this season..and all playoffs long cause stern asked him to. You make alot of sense. :roll:


i cant believe you are that braindead that you cant put two and two together. :roll:


I can't believe you are that braindead you join a forum to contribute 54 non-stop idiotic posts. :roll:


thats worse then 2843? well, look at the time, time to go back to real life. :wave:


Yea jackass..and it took me 4 years on this new forum to get that amount. How bout you go back to real life and shut the fuck up a lil bit on these forums?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:40 pm

Oh don't argue with The Almighty, he's been browsing since 1999! He's definitely not a noob like the rest of us :roll:

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:13 pm

Great game! Some people will continue to argue the 'foul', but man, that's just basketball. Glad Miami have come all the way back to make this a rather entertaining series. I havent had a chance to 'really' enjoy a finals series since the laker's run :D Did anyone happen to catch the post game interviews? I really dislike Avery :lol:

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:54 pm

^^^^^^^

Yea, I know get over it its not like we can change it. If Dallas stop whining like little bitches atm and just got on with the game they might win this thing. Its a good thing for Miami because assholes like Mark Cuban aren't interested in Dallas winning they are interested in complaining at referees.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:57 pm

assholes like Mark Cuban aren't interested in Dallas winning they are interested in complaining at referees.


:crazy:

Why would he be complaining 'at' the referees if he didn't want his team to win :?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:13 am

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^^^^ If that's not a fucking hand check foul..i dunno what is. Talk about denial; only thing is that they called it on the wrong person..but what difference does that make?

Catching a ball in the air and landing backcourt is not a violation when u can inbound to anywhere in the court. Talk about useless bitching.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:30 am

whilst he probably got fouled on the play & probably pushed off on the play prior to being fouled, it is disappointing to see a game decided on a foul call....I could understand if it was clearly a foul....but usually refs don't decide playoff games on soft calls....more often than not, referees swallow their whistle at the end of these sort of games, why not now?!? :?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:04 am

Yohance Bailey wrote:Catching a ball in the air and landing backcourt is not a violation when u can inbound to anywhere in the court. Talk about useless bitching.[/i]


Well, try to imagine Wade getting the ball right near the 3 point line and then driving it back towards his basket and going over the backcourt line. That would have been called as backcourt violation, right? Yesterday he jumped off the one side of the halfcourt and caught the ball in the air and landed on the other side of the halfcourt, which means backcourt violation. It's practicly the same thing. Only right would have been, if he already stood in the backcourt and then received the ball. But that was not the case here. So I'll give those Heat haters that one, but referees make mistakes all the time. And there WAS a foul (altough a pussy-like-one but hey, it was a foul. Players like Wade will get this call. Pavel Podkolzine probably wouldn't :lol: ).

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:50 am

Matthew wrote:Since when is two steps a travel? Look at harris slap on wades arm, and dirks right hand pushing wade.

My bad, you're right.

Yohance Bailey wrote:^^^^ If that's not a fucking hand check foul..i dunno what is. Talk about denial; only thing is that they called it on the wrong person..but what difference does that make?

Watch the gif. Harris didn't touch him, it's the angle of the pic that makes it look that way. But yes, Dirk did 'foul' him.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:25 am

dan_suth wrote:
CMinnifield wrote:What is all this Josh Howard nonsense? They showed the replay before Wade's shot and Avery Johnson was signaling for a timeout, too. It's not just his fault.


No. Avery wanted the timeout after the 2nd free throw - notice how he kept signaling it with two fingers. It seems that Howard either misinterpreted it and called timeout by accident right then, or maybe he was "talking with his hands" with Avery.


Alright, that makes more sense than what I had originally assumed.
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:45 am

I think they shoulda allowed the Mavs to call off the time-out if that's now what they wanted. You should be able to control your time-outs. In that case, I think the refs did. Bullshit ending to me.

And I don't think anything should be a foul unless it's obvious. That wasn't an obvious foul on Wade.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:46 am

When Wade did catch the ball, I kinda heard the crowd OOO'ing and AWW'ing like even they knew it was a backcourt violation so even some the Heat fans did. Anyways, I wonder if Dallas going to take all their anger out on the Heat Tuesday AND THURSDAY. That's right, I said Thursday. Will Miami have a chance on the road against Dallas like what happened the first two games? We'll see.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:04 am

-BHZMAFIA- wrote:When Wade did catch the ball, I kinda heard the crowd OOO'ing and AWW'ing like even they knew it was a backcourt violation so even some the Heat fans did. Anyways, I wonder if Dallas going to take all their anger out on the Heat Tuesday AND THURSDAY. That's right, I said Thursday. Will Miami have a chance on the road against Dallas like what happened the first two games? We'll see.

Was Wade in the front court before he went into the back? I didn't even notice that.

That's bullshit that the refs didn't call it if that's the circumstance.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:12 am

I was kind of worried it might be a backcourt violation, but it's no more blatant than any other bad call in playoffs (such as Lebron's travel that wasn't called). There obviously was a foul, and the backcourt violation... I'm not sure why it wasn't called. I'd like to read the rulebook to see exactly what it says for the last two minutes of the game though.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:40 am

e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.htm ... rticleList

I'm still not sure what consists of a backcourt violation, though. Is it where the player breaks the plane and goes over the midcourt line, or is it where the player's feet touch the ground? If it's the latter, then Wade didn't do anything wrong.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:06 am

the reason that wasn't called backcourt was that wade, although he caught it on his side, he didn't have full/positive possession until he landed on the other side.

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:21 am

It looks like he has full possession on the video Fenix posted, he caught it with two hands with his foot in the frontcourt.
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