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Postby BOSS on Wed May 10, 2006 7:46 am

air_edwards23 wrote:I dont think the raptors will draft Roy because some places compaired him to jalen rose which means that scouts arent high on roy's defense. I think we would just go with Gay cuz Charlie is more of a PF then a SF


I rather see CV at SF. Creates some miss matches for other teams.

If we do get the 5th pick, I wouldn't mind drafting Gay. Bring back the excitement in T.O.
Another option may be Randy Foye. With rumours of Mike James stirring, I can see Foye in a Raptors jersey.
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Postby Its_asdf on Wed May 10, 2006 7:48 am

But he's also a major defensive liability. His bigger body means that he won't be able to keep up with the more explosive SFs in the league.

I hope he can turn it around though.
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Postby BOSS on Wed May 10, 2006 7:56 am

Its_asdf wrote:But he's also a major defensive liability. His bigger body means that he won't be able to keep up with the more explosive SFs in the league.

I hope he can turn it around though.


Word.
I am fine with CV at SF.
As for Roy, he is a good player.
Versatile game and is the most NBA ready player in the NCAA.
But a huge problem might be that his knee problems.
I heard/read that he has been bothered by it quite a few times.
Like Granger last year, I have a feeling his stocks will slip slighty.
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Postby Indy on Wed May 10, 2006 8:23 am

Sam. wrote:Like Granger last year, I have a feeling his stocks will slip slighty.


You don't think all the GM's learned their lesson on passing on guys like Granger?
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Postby Silas on Wed May 10, 2006 8:41 am

I just picked a random order with this, i moved some people around, its not really the order thats important as it is who people think will get drated. I wouldnt be suprised if the Sonics drafted a big man, but they really shouldn't unless they plan on packaging either Petro or Swift with Rashard in a trade. Both of those guys are only 20 and they're going to continue to develop a lot. They'll likely draft a SG/SF to help Damien Wilkins.

And at keepnitgangsta1, i already made the point about Glenn Davis above and personally bashing somebody doesnt always make you look like the most credible guy....
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Postby KIG1 on Wed May 10, 2006 10:53 am

2006 Draft

1. Portland Blazers- Tyrus Thomas- PF- LSU
- Thomas blows you away with his athleticism and is pretty much a lock for the number one pick at this point in time.

2. Chicago Bulls- LaMarcus Aldridge- PF- Texas
- Aldridge can fill the big man role that the Bulls need. Sweetney isn't doing the job and Chandler needs some help underneath the basket.

3. Charlotte Bobcats- Adam Morrison- SG/SF- Gonzaga
- The Bobcats don't have many pure shooters on their team and Morrison is just that. He could play a SG position for a need in need of outside shooting.

4. Atlanta Hawks- Andrea Bargnani- SF/PF- Italy
- Bargnani can step out and shoot the three for the Hawks who are looking to get rid of Harrington. He can also play some SF if needed.

5. Toronto Raptors- Randy Foye- PG/SG- Villanova
- Foye would be a perfect fit for the Raptors who are all-around athletic. Foye is one of the fastest players in the draft and will help the Raptors run the floor.

6. Minnesota Timberwolves- Rudy Gay- SF- UConn
- Gay is simply to good to pass on in this situation. He can bring some help to Garnett if he stays in Minnesota.

7. Boston Celtics- Brandon Roy- SG- Washington
- Has the skills to play PG if needed and is a great passer who gets everyone involved. Pierce could have another breakout year if Roy gets PT.

8. Houston Rockets- Marcus Williams- PG- UConn
- Marcus Williams could be a good pick-up for the Rockets who don't really need a PG. They need one for the future though and will look past Williams's character issues.

9. Golden State Warriors- Rodney Carney- SF- Memphis
- Carney will be a perfect fit here for Dunleavy. Playing along-side players like Baron Davis and Jason Richardson, Golden St. would be one of the fastest teams in the league.

10. Seattle Sonics- Shelden Williams- PF- Duke
- Shelden could step right in and play some quality minutes here. The Sonics are not known for their defense as Shelden Williams was one of the best defenders last year at Duke.

11. Orlando Magic- JJ Redick- SG- Duke
- Orlando doesn't have a good three point threat right now. In steps JJ who can uplift the streaky Magic to the playoffs.

12. New Orleans Hornets- Patrick O'Bryant- C- Bradley
- O'Bryant is a seven footer with humongus potential in the NBA. He would make the Hornets more dimensional on offense and defense.

13. Philadelphia 76ers- Mardy Collins- PG/SG- Temple
- Collins is the hometown favorite here. With Kevin Ollie getting a lot of playing time, PG is a desperate need.

14. Utah Jazz- Ronnie Brewer- SG- Arkansas
- Brewer is a multi-dimensional player whos stock has fallen a bit because of shooting issues. It would be a good steal for the Jazz here.

15. New Orleans Hornets- Cedric Simmons- PF/C- NC State
- Simmons could once again add more inside power to the Hornets who only have PJ Brown.

16. Chicago Bulls- Hilton Armstrong- C- UConn
- Armstrong might be a good selection if the Bulls don't resign Chandler and need a quality center. Armstrong can also bring some added defense to the team.

17. Indiana Pacers- Kyle Lowry- PG- Villanova
- Tinsley has injury issues and Anthony Johnson is streaky at times. Adding Lowry could open up more space for other players.

18. Washington Wizards- Tiago Splitter- PF- Brazil
- Jamison is not a true PF and lacks other players behind him. Splitter would be the obvious choice here.

19. Sacramento Kings- Rajon Rondo- PG- Kentucky
- Bibby is a great guard but the Kings lack depth behind him. Rondo should've stayed another year in college and the Kings could turn out to be a great team for Rajon.

20. New York Knicks- Shawne Williams- SG/SF- Memphis
- Small Foward isn't a good position for the Knicks as Williams can provide height (6'9) and outside shooting ability.

21. Phoenix Suns- Josh Boone- PF- UConn
- The Suns already have five athletic starters and can add another one. Boone can play off the bench or start for the Suns who already have Marion and Amare.

22. New Jersey Nets- Saer Sene- C- Senegal
- Sene can be the center that the Nets need. Hes long, athletic, and gets a lot of blocked shots. Look for Kristic to move to PF is Sene is selected.

23. New Jersey Nets- Maurice Ager- SG- Michigan St.
- Ager is overall the BPA and the Nets can't pass up on a shooter like Ager. Carter and Kidd are also getting a little old.

24. Memphis Grizzlies- Aaron Gray- C- Pittsburgh
- Memphis already stated that they need a center to take over. Gray is big and tall and a lot stronger than Gasol is.

25. Cleveland Cavaliers- Jordan Farmar- PG- UCLA
- Farmar can add a passer to feed Hughes and LeBron on the break or n the half-court set. He can spread the floor well.

26. Los Angeles Lakers- Quincy Douby- PG/SG- Rutgers
- A great shooter who destroyed the Big East is shooting has the skills to play PG behind Smush or ahead of him.

27. Phoenix Suns- Mike Gansey- SG- West Virginia
- Gansey is a great shooter and would be a perfect fit for the Steve Nash offense.

28. Dallas Mavericks- Paul Millsap- PF- Lousiana Tech
- Coming from a small school you never know what he can do. He is a brute force down low and powers his way to baskets.

29. New York Knicks- Hassan Adams- SG/SF- Arizona
- Hassan plays much bigger than he looks and gets to balls in a hurry. He wins hustle points all the way around.

30. Portland Blazers- Rudy Fernandez- SG- Spain
- Portland could use a good shooter to enter their system after drafting a PF.

Just Missed Round 1: Denham Brown, Leon Powe, PJ Tucker, Dee Brown, Paul Davis

Top 2007 Draft Prospects
1. Greg Oden- C- Ohio St.
2. Joakim Noah- PF- Florida
3. Thaddeus Young- SF- Georgia Tech
4. Kevin Durant- SF- Texas
5. Al Horford- PF- Florida
6. Josh McRoberts- PF- Duke
7. Brenden Wright- PF- UNC
8. Marcus Williams- SG- Arizona
9. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute- SG/SF- UCLA
10. Roy Hibbert- C- Georgetown
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Postby Mentally Hilarious on Wed May 10, 2006 9:08 pm

air_edwards23 wrote:
Mentally Hilarious wrote:2. Portland - Adam Morrisson. - Travis Outlaw is a bust, he's nothing more than a dunker and Miles has outstayed his welcome. Look for Portland on getting the best all-around scorer in a long time in Morrisson. It's not like they've rated defensive beasts highly in the past so why now?
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You mean getting a shooter not scocer morrisson isnt very althletic


Depends. I ment scorer since he can score from anywhere, anytime and always (well... kinda) comes through. I wouldn't put his as a shooter, since he has too many tricks in his bag.
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Postby BOSS on Wed May 10, 2006 11:13 pm

Indy wrote:
Sam. wrote:Like Granger last year, I have a feeling his stocks will slip slighty.


You don't think all the GM's learned their lesson on passing on guys like Granger?
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Ye I know. :oops:
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Postby Its_asdf on Thu May 11, 2006 6:44 am

Aw c'mon. Graham was still a safe and good pick. Even though he hasn't been playing as well as Granger, I think that he can really become a great player if he continues to work on his ball handling. That's probably the only legitimate piece of the puzzle that he's missing, otherwise you'd be seeing a lot more agressiveness from him.

Anyways, anyone hear about Sun Yue? I heard he's something like a 6'9 point guard with solid athletic ability and he's only 20 years of age.

If he gets drafted I'm jumping on his bandwagon.
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Postby BOSS on Thu May 11, 2006 6:49 am

Its_asdf wrote:Aw c'mon. Graham was still a safe and good pick. Even though he hasn't been playing as well as Granger, I think that he can really become a great player if he continues to work on his ball handling. That's probably the only legitimate piece of the puzzle that he's missing, otherwise you'd be seeing a lot more agressiveness from him.

Anyways, anyone hear about Sun Yue? I heard he's something like a 6'9 point guard with solid athletic ability and he's only 20 years of age.

If he gets drafted I'm jumping on his bandwagon.


I didn't say Graham was a bad pick. I was jus agreeing with Indy that GMs prolly felt dumb by passing on Granger. I still got faith in Graham.

Sun Yue is supposely a Boris Diaw player. If he gets drafted, I am hopin on his bandwagon too. Not an everyday thing that you see a 6'9" PG.
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Postby Donatello on Thu May 11, 2006 6:51 am

Mentally Hilarious wrote:2. Portland - Adam Morrisson. - Travis Outlaw is a bust, he's nothing more than a dunker


whaaa? :shock: he's 21. he shows more prowess on defense than he does dunking. he'll be good.
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 5:30 pm

Teams I actually care about:

Chicago:
#2 overall: Tyrus Thomas/Lamarcus Aldridge. Bulls are obviously in need of big men and those two are the best ones available. I bet that they'll both measure out at 6'10 or even 6'11, with superb wingspans to go with. Aldridge is the more skilled one and Thomas has a clear edge in the athleticism department, but reports are saying how Aldridge has a problem with desire, while Tyrus obviosly has a great motor. Having seen both play, I do not neccessarily agree with that statement, but the difference is still there. They will be both very good players, IMO, but Thomas has more of that P word. If he isn't as tall and as long as Aldringe, he's definitely close to that and his athleticism will be basically unparalled in NBA. Considering his recent growth spurts and the fact that he's still 19 years old, he'll get the mass needed to fight in the paint. On the defensive end of the court, Thomas has a clear edge. He's just a more of a natural rebounder than Aldrige is and he's definitely a 'true' and smart shotblocker. He's not like some guys who fall on every pump fake of their opponent and he uses smarts to avoid getting a foul. I'd go with him, if possible.
#16 overall: Mandy Collins/Roney Brewer. I haven't seen much of them (or anything at all), so I can base my prediction/opinion only on scouting reports. They both fill the bill of Chicago's needs - a big, smart guard who can play and defend multiple positions, come off the bench and be capable of playing along Gordon and/or Hinrich. If Shelden Williams is still available, I'd go with him. Rumours have it that they'll also looking at Thabo Sefolosha, who I would pick instantly, if I were Bulls' GM, but not with a near-lottery pick. They'd be better of getting a early second round pick and drafting this guy - he's really something special, believe me.

Boston:
#7 overall: Marcus Williams. Ainge said that they'll be looking for a true PG to backup or play with Delonte West and Williams is simply the best one available. Very smart player who makes the right passes at the right time. I love his game and I really hope that he won't end up being a nutcase.

Lakers:
#26 overall: does anybody think that Douby would dissapear in the playoffs? Anyone? He can shoot he lights out, score in multiple ways, come off the bench, play some PG or off guard (which is necessary, considering he'd be playing in a system where Odom and Bryant handle the ball all the time) and is smart enough to grasp the triangle quickly enough. His D is kinda suspect, but so is Smush's. Having Douby at least guarantees you that he'll hit his shots and that he'd punish guys like Nash everytime they'd try to double team Bryant.

Magic (the Darko connection):
#11 overall: Rodney Carner, Brandon Roy. I have doubts that any of these guys will be available with Orlando's pick, but they'd be the best fit. They can both defend and both have their own positives that would fit in nicely with the team Orlando has already assembled. In any of the cases, it will probably be a SG, because that's their position of need. But then again, Darko's incredible versatility enables him to play different positions on the courts, so I thing they'll probably just forfeit this pick and put Darko at SG. He'll be great, shutting down Kobes and Mcgradys, jumping over Yaos and draining 3pts all over the court.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 5:56 pm

Lakers seem high on Leon Powe, i hope they dont pick him in the first round.

Nick Fazekas would be a perfect tri fit. Imagine Cook with defense, that's Fazekas.

But the guy i want the lakers to draft is Shawne Williams. Has the potential to be a borderline all-star at worst. Please do it Mitch.

Oh and here's a fearless forecast, Tyrus Thomas has bust written all over him.

The team that drafts Tiago Splitter past the top 10 will be getting a huge steal.
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Postby Jugs on Thu May 11, 2006 6:05 pm

Oh and here's a fearless forecast, Tyrus Thomas has bust written all over him.

The team that drafts Tiago Splitter past the top 10 will be getting a huge steal.


I've got the exact same feelings.

I hope Portland don't fuck up this years draft, I need someone else to follow instead of Randolph and Miles :x :x :x :x .
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 6:07 pm

Drafting Nick Fazekas would be a very Mitch-like move. Shawn Williams wouldn't. IMO, they'll be drafting a soft PF or a tall PG who can shoot and - to some extent - defend.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 6:17 pm

Spot on. Mitch is inlove with soft players who can shoot. (N)

Shawne Williams can play 4 positions, an ideal P-Jax player.

Sadly only a Jimmy Buss intervention can stop Mitch from drafting Fazekas.

Last year, Phil wanted Granger, Mitch wanted May and Jimmy wanted Bynum. Jimmy won.

I hope the one that wants Shawne Williams gets his way.
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 6:27 pm

There's no way in hell Bynum was Jackson's choice.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 6:34 pm

Uh, that's because he was Jimmy's choice like i said previously.
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 6:38 pm

Sorry, I misread :oops:. It just tells us how Phil is always right. I still have nightmares of Laker fans yelling how Bynum is the next big thing. I was quite big on him in the middle of the season, but I don't think that he'll be great (or very good) anymore. Cool he has mobility and (reportedly) work ethic/desire, but he's just average athletically, doesn't have any fundamentals, very little post game and is overally rawer that sushi.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 6:46 pm

I have not given up on him. He's shown he's already a good defender and has proved his work ethic by losing A LOT of weight.

As for the fundamentals and post game, Kareem's working on it.
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 6:59 pm

'Good defender'? What does that mean? He blocked couple of shots now and then, but he hasn't proved that he can defend pick&roll or anyone 1-on-1. As far as work ethic goes, he'll have to show me a bit more than just losing couple of pounds.

I'm sick of tired how Laker fans are convinced that Kareem will turn Bynum into a unstoppable scoring machine. How? It's not like this guy has tons of talent/a solid skill foundation to work with. All he has is a wide body, decent mobility and some length. Sure, he's still 18 years old but every good NBA center already showed glimpses of brilliance at that age - all Bynum has is a dunk on (past) Shaq and a 16 point quarter in garbage time against one of the softest frontcourts in the country. Laker fans see his size, they say he's the new Shaq. They see he can't jump or run as well, they say he's the new Duncan. I got news for you, he doesn't have anything on them. That comparisons are a bad joke. His best scenario is Jerome James with more heart.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 7:18 pm

He lead the league in blocks per 48 at one point in the season.

'Good defender'? What does that mean? He blocked couple of shots now and then, but he hasn't proved that he can defend pick&roll or anyone 1-on-1. As far as work ethic goes, he'll have to show me a bit more than just losing couple of pounds.

He stays with his man on D. He has altered countless shots everytime he's on the floor. As for the pick and roll, he actually alters your shot.

I'm sick of tired how Laker fans are convinced that Kareem will turn Bynum into a unstoppable scoring machine. How?

Being convinced and believing are 2 different things.

It's not like this guy has tons of talent/a solid skill foundation to work with

Solid skill foundation = defense.

All he has is a wide body, decent mobility and some length.

Some length? He has Yao ming like wingspan.
Wide body, mobility and great length is something that cannot be teached.

Dont mistake him for someone who is decent at best when it comes to mobility, what you saw was a result of him not having a clue on his spots in the tri.

Sure, he's still 18 years old but every good NBA center already showed glimpses of brilliance at that age

Name me centers that have shown brilliance at this age in the NBA.

- all Bynum has is a dunk on (past) Shaq

It was more than that. how many kids would go right back at Shaq after being dunked on like a toy.

Laker fans see his size, they say he's the new Shaq. They see he can't jump or run as well, they say he's the new Duncan.

They are the same laker fans who wanted Francis back in february. the same fans who think sasha can play defense.

I got news for you, he doesn't have anything on them. That comparisons are a bad joke. His best scenario is Jerome James with more heart.

Bynum made an impact against Duncan resulting in praise from TD. Jerome James with heart, passion and work ethic would be a force in the league.

I dont blame you if you think he's trash, you,probably saw him only for a couple of times and read a couple of posts on realGm or lakersground.
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Postby Fenix on Thu May 11, 2006 7:42 pm

Well, I didn't see him in HS, if that's what you mean, but I did see a lot (enough) of him in Laker games.

The only defensive skill he has shown is his blocking ability, what you pointed out many times. Sure, that's a fundamental skill, but apart from that (and a bit of team defense), does he has what is needed for a good man defender? He certainly isn't one now. And you can't say - hey, he was a leading shotblocker per 48, if we're talking about a guy who seven minutes per game.

I said that he has decent mobility, but you can't blame triangle for not showing anything more that that. Quickness of his jump? Poor, as is his overall speed and elevation.

Name me centers that have shown brilliance at this age in the NBA.

He's the youngest player to ever come out of HS (and that is NOT a good thing, as much as some think it is), so it's not like there are a lot of comparisons. But as fas as prep-to-pros centres go, Eddy Curry was far ahead in his first season. Others? Busts, and they all had better psychical predispositions to work with. There are of course other HS big men who play C for stretches - Amare, Dwight Howard and others, who all showed their brilliance right away and they PRODUCED right away due to their awesome psychical skills. And keep in mind that Bynum has much less game experience, skills or athleticism than those guys coming out of HS. Jerome James (plus intagibles) is the BEST scenario, not the one which will likely happen.

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Postby J@3 on Thu May 11, 2006 7:56 pm

Fazekas isn't a good defender. He can block shots but that's about it. He'll be snapped like a twig in the NBA. Maybe a good 2nd round pick though, same goes for Shawne Williams.

I don't even know who I want the Lakers to pick, James Augustine sounds promising but I haven't really seen him play so I wouldn't know. There's a few good PG's around, Dockery, Gibson etc but not really 1st round picks although Jordan Farmer and Dee Brown might be there when the Lakers pick. Bobby Jones could be a good replacement for Devean George, I've read in a few places that he could be the best perimeter defender in the draft.
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Postby Laker Socks on Thu May 11, 2006 9:53 pm

The only defensive skill he has shown is his blocking ability, what you pointed out many times. Sure, that's a fundamental skill, but apart from that (and a bit of team defense), does he has what is needed for a good man defender?

You claim to have seen him play enough times this season yet you fail to see his defensive impact in the game? By being a good man defender, he does not allow the opposing player to overpower him, when the player attempts a shot he GASP actually alters it leading to a bigger chance of a missed shot.

I said that he has decent mobility, but you can't blame triangle for not showing anything more that that. Quickness of his jump? Poor, as is his overall speed and elevation.

Why not? You do know that the triangle can limit a player's movements if one cant find his spots right?
Quickness of his jump is poor? Maybe average but definitely not poor.

He's the youngest player to ever come out of HS (and that is NOT a good thing, as much as some think it is), so it's not like there are a lot of comparisons.

Then dont go saying stuff like "Sure, he's still 18 years old but every good NBA center already showed glimpses of brilliance at that age" :roll:

But as fas as prep-to-pros centres go, Eddy Curry was far ahead in his first season.

GASP a center drafted in the top 3 played better than someone that was drafted 10th overall?!? How can that be?

There are of course other HS big men who play C for stretches - Amare, Dwight Howard and others, who all showed their brilliance right away and they PRODUCED right away due to their awesome psychical skills.

You forgot the part were nobody said Andrew Bynum is an athletic freak. He's a physical specimen but not an athletic freak.

And keep in mind that Bynum has much less game experience, skills or athleticism than those guys coming out of HS

Which means, you aint seen nothing yet from him. You cant judge him and compare him to those other guys because as you said, he has much less experience and athlecism.

Jerome James (plus intagibles) is the BEST scenario, not the one which will likely happen.

Funny how you changed your opinion from Brendan Haywood to Jerome James in a span of a few days. What happened? Read something at lakersground? :lol:

I like you already, you're one of the rare posters who knows what he's talking about. (Y)
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