Denver's GM is Done.

[Laker Socks]

Kiki is not responsible for Carmelo being a choker

Its downright wrong to call Carmelo a choker. Statistically, he's the most clutch player in the league. No choker can even dream of doing such a thing.

wow i didn't no ur such a dumbass...he friggin drafted tskita instead of Amare!!!!

So? 8 other gm's passed on amare.

Amare was a kid that came out straight out of high school in the 2002 nba draft. Do you know what happened the year before?
Here's a hint: Kwame.Curry.Chandler.dissapointment

See the logic as to why 8 gm's passed up on amare? a guy that had less hype and made less noise in high school than Kwame, Curry and Chandler.

[cklitsie]

You can't even choose which team/player to support and prolly just jumped on the Melo/Nuggets bandwagon when they started winning.

He's probably going to reply saying it's his hometown team and how he's been a fan forever, but I just know he wasn't supporting Vincent Yarbrough and crew 3 years back..

[J@3]

I would've picked Amare that year, I even made a thread about him before the draft that season

[Its_asdf]

but I just know he wasn't supporting Vincent Yarbrough and crew 3 years back..

I loved Yarbrough. Whatever happened to such a god?

[Laker Socks]

Junior Harrington > Vincent Yarbrough

[Carmo]

He's probably going to reply saying it's his hometown team and how he's been a fan forever, but I just know he wasn't supporting Vincent Yarbrough and crew 3 years back..

I played a season on live with them, I lost every game by an average of 44.32 points. Yep, that was the good old Denver days..... So good compared to now don't ya reckon Anthony15? Man, why did Kiki change this team into the team it is today.......

[benji]

Kiki was a better GM than most in the league because he at least appeared to know what he was doing.

-He replaces Dan Issel.
-Trades LaFrentz, Van Exel, Saint-Jean and Avery Johnson for Juwan Howard's expiring deal.
-Trades Posey to the Rockets
-Then trades McDyess for Camby, Mark Jackson's contract and Nene
-He bombs on the Skita pick, but that draft was f-ed up. Skita was compared to Dirk, Nene to Rodman. Now we know Nene can't jump at all.

So he goes into 2003's offseason with a frontline. Camby and Nene, he finds Chris Andersen and gets Elson to come over.
-Drafts Anthony. Easy pick, even if Wade is the better player at this moment, Anthony was a better pick. Why? He's a SF, they were rotating Skita, Ryan Bowen and Donnell Harvey through the SF spot. Those are guys with 02-03 PER's of 5, 12 and 12.5. (Anthony posts 17.5 in his rookie year, and White backs it up with 16.3)
-Then he bats 1.000 in the free agent market, landing Andre Miller, Earl Boykins, Voshon Lenard, and Jon Barry as his new backcourt, without breaking the bank for any of them really. (Consider deals for Derek Fisher and Adonal Foyle that offseason...) Junior Harrington, Chris Whitney, Yarbrough and White were the backcourt the year before featuring PERs of 6.5, 9.2, 9.5, 9.7. In 03-04 the new four had PERs of 18.8, 16.2, 13.5 and 14.6. Replacing that backcourt was like adding Shaq to any other team.
-The Martin signing can be slightly forgiven, even if the guy was coming off a fluky contract year and never deserved the max. They also lost Andersen and Doleac so they would've needed to sign a big guy anyway.

If he made a bad move it was his last one:
-Trading White and Tskitishvili to Golden State for Najera and a pick. Had they not made this deal, they could've waived Lenard and traded one of their draft picks and been $10 million under. There were a lot of SG's available in this last offseason.

Other than Elson, DerMarr and Evans, due to that shortsightedness, they're stuck with this team for a while. Only Patterson, Buckner and if they want Nene come off the books after next season. Since Melo will want and should recieve a max contract, they'll be over or at the cap with four players in Anthony, Camby, Martin and Miller.

Unfortunately, Karl might be given more power...

[Stevesanity]

Junior Harrington > Vincent Yarbrough

Kenny Satterfield > All.

I saw something on some site, think it was real GM about Karl saying he has no interest in being the GM. I think his return is also questionable although I think he'll prolly stay but he could certaintly mess things up as a GM.

[cklitsie]

Junior Harrington > Vincent Yarbrough

Kenny Satterfield > All.

Wow, everything comes back.. how bad did they suck?
Yarbrough, Harrington, Satterfield, Tskitishvilli, Donnell Harvey, Rodney White.

More power to Kiki Vandeweghe.

[Stevesanity]

Junior Harrington > Vincent Yarbrough

Kenny Satterfield > All.

Wow, everything comes back.. how bad did they suck?
Yarbrough, Harrington, Satterfield, Tskitishvilli, Donnell Harvey, Rodney White.

More power to Kiki Vandeweghe.

I think their PG rotation was Satterfield, Harrington and Shammond Williams.

http://www.nba.com/nuggets/stats/2001/index.html
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/stats/2002/index.html

Holy shit that roster is sad. Isiah Rider played for them in 01-02, didnt know that.

[Fenix]

Kiki is not responsible for Carmelo being a choker

Its downright wrong to call Carmelo a choker. Statistically, he's the most clutch player in the league. No choker can even dream of doing such a thing.

His playoff performance(s) say otherwise.

[Sauru]

i found this to be funny, last year everyone is saying how the nuggets screwed the nets by getting martin and whatever and now its all how he sucked as a GM for getting martin. this guy did alot of good for denver. the nuggets were one of those teams no one gave a damn about and he made them exciting and fun to watch, also put together a team that got into the playoffs out west. imo the biggest problem with denver is karl, and i guess you can throw that on kiki.

[Anthony15]

You can't even choose which team/player to support and prolly just jumped on the Melo/Nuggets bandwagon when they started winning.

He's probably going to reply saying it's his hometown team and how he's been a fan forever, but I just know he wasn't supporting Vincent Yarbrough and crew 3 years back..

Was i in Denver 3 years back?

[cklitsie]

Hey that's pretty mature from you, admitting being a bandwagoner.

[Laker Socks]

Kiki is not responsible for Carmelo being a choker

Its downright wrong to call Carmelo a choker. Statistically, he's the most clutch player in the league. No choker can even dream of doing such a thing.

His playoff performance(s) say otherwise.

05-06 playoffs: 21 ppg 6.6 rpg 2.8 apg

Even though he had 5.5 more points in the regular season, it's not that much of a drop to the extent that you can label him as a choker.

We might as well label Kobe a choker eh? Nash?

[Its_asdf]

Melo did score a lot, but he shot 33% and had 33 turnovers. It's pointless to score 21 points per game when you're shooting 33%. It's like Shaq scoring 15 points from freethrows, but had like 234534 attempts. It's inefficient and isn't a positive to the team.

[Laker Socks]

We might as well label Kobe a choker eh? Nash?

[cklitsie]

Did you read his post AT ALL?

[Laker Socks]

Yes.

All im saying is like Kobe, Melo has had significant drops statistically in the playoffs. That doesnt mean they choked though. Let's discredit Quinton Ross and the clippers for defending Melo very well eh? Let's forget the distractions the nuggets had in the playoffs eh?

Do you understand me AT ALL?

Besides, statistically he's more clutch than Kobe and anyone else.

[Its_asdf]

All im saying is like Kobe, Melo has had significant drops statistically in the playoffs. That doesnt mean they choked though. Let's discredit Quinton Ross and the clippers for defending Melo very well eh? Let's forget the distractions the nuggets had in the playoffs eh?

Oh god. Your saying that someone's field goal percentage (in this case Anthony's), drops by 15% simply because he goes into the playoffs? If it isn't considered choking, then why didn't he perform up to par? Quinton Ross's defence is solid, but it isn't going to completely shut down a scorer like Anthony.

During the regular season, 'Melo averaged 25 points on 45% shooting. Some spectacular defence by Quinton Ross.

I think Carmelo is a great offensive player and he knows that he can hit the big shots down the stretch. But during the playoffs he really took some bad shots.

[Laker Socks]

Oh god. Your saying that someone's field goal percentage (in this case Anthony's), drops by 15% simply because he goes into the playoffs?

Thanks for completely failing to comprehend my previous statement. What im saying is that the clippers did a good job defensively.

If it isn't considered choking, then why didn't he perform up to par?

The clippers forced him to take bad shots. Oh wait, you know that and you still call it choking.

During the regular season, 'Melo averaged 25 points on 45% shooting. Some spectacular defence by Quinton Ross.

Why do i get the impression you failed to watch even 1 game in the series? They did an amazing job defending Melo.

I think Carmelo is a great offensive player and he knows that he can hit the big shots down the stretch. But during the playoffs he really took some bad shots.

There you go. He took bad shots? Why? Because he choked? The logical reason here would be that the clippers forced him to take bad shots.

You're discrediting the clippers and you're calling the most clutch player in the league a choker.

[peaches]

You remind me of that powerhoward guy.