The Suns Thread

[J@3]

There's your MVP award you hairy little bitch, eat nuts

Didn't you already post this pic in almost every other thread on this forum?

Lol yeah that's about the 4th time I've seen it.

[DB]

I'm sorry guys...got a little carried away with the win AND DUNK...

[Nick]

I can't really tell because it goes into slow motion, but did that get called as a charge or what?

[DB]

I can't really tell because it goes into slow motion, but did that get called as a charge or what?

Nope, it was a foul on nash...but it could've gone either way. (unlike that tim thomas foul in game 1 lol.)

[dada]

Man, it must suck to not only lose at home after it was leaked you won MVP, but also get dunked on by the guy others were rooting for. Oh well.

[Matt]

now theres pressure to back up the whole MVP thing. How would it look if an MVP failed in rnd 1? Kobe's got motivation to show that it's his award.

Makes for a great series.

[Fenix]

Watched the game. Kwame has hands of stone and Lamar became a superstar over night. And Vujacic became one of my favourite players. He's so Ainge.

[Axel]

I'm not worried. The Suns were down by just 3 with under two minutes to go, and had possession. I don't believe they'll go 7 minutes without scoring again.

Of course all the analysts jump onto "The suns should be worried" bandwagon. I'm not.

[Colin]

i think the difference in the game was that dunk Kobe did on Nash. That was clearly and offensive foul since Nash was outside the restricted area.

Like I said the other thread - no, it wasn't. Nash was moving his feet.

No he wasn't. His feet were on the ground inthe place they were when Kobe hit him before Kobe left the ground. There was a still frame they showed during the broadcast that displayed this clearly.

[dan_suth]

I agree - in my unbiased opinion, it definitely looked like a charge. It might be hard for a ref to call that an offensive foul considering it was a SICK dunk and it was a bonafide superstar doing it - but it clearly seemed like a charge. Oh well.

Maybe the refs purposely let this one slide to make up for the call (or no-call) in game 1? I didn't watch that game but it sounds like the Suns got away with one - perhaps this made up for it.

[The_Flying_Tomato]

if that's not a charge, then i'm kobe bryant. thank god i'm not. Nash was easily planted, and outside the half circle. There was also the play where kwame brown literally tackled raja bell... no calls at all. Ridiculous game. Bad shooting, bad Marion, horrible officiating.

Also I felt this needed to be posted in reponse to DB's picture:

[Matt]

Kobe was already in the shooting motion before Nash got there, and as Nash arrived Kobe was about to take off. He didn't give Kobe any space/time to change direction.

[The_Flying_Tomato]

nash planted about the same time kobe took off. Kobe had to have known he was there. that said, if kobe is so great, why didn't he jump OVER nash? eh? Vince carter would have,

[gergerjai]

Would you consider one " so great" if he jumps over people? Or just every great person should have that ability?
I just don't see the likes of Washington, Newton and Da Vinci jumping over others

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn9204vj.jpg
not only was Kobe in shooting motion, he was going to take off, while Nash was still sliding

[Alcoholic]

I think thats one of the toughest calls in basketball, it's too bad it doesn't get reviewed or anything.

[Axel]

I think thats one of the toughest calls in basketball, it's too bad it doesn't get reviewed or anything.

Yup it is, and it seems like the officials get it right about half the time. I wish they would just do away with some of the ticky tac things like the half circle so calls won't be missed as often.

[The_Flying_Tomato]

what? did you just actually say nash was sliding? how the hell do you slide? friction and traction man, and Nash had it. if you pause right when kobe's feet are coming off the ground, Nash's feet are there, and his body is still slightly moving forward. Even in that picture, you can see Nash is clearly leaning back meaning his feet are planted and kobe's force is pushing his upper half back.

[J@3]

if that's not a charge, then i'm kobe bryant. thank god i'm not.

Yeah, I can imagine you'd much rather be some short ugly red headed kid who is disliked everywhere.

[gergerjai]

In that picture there was no contact yet so it's not kobe's force pushing Nash, the only reason why Nash was leaning and in motion in that pic is that he was moving into defensive position when Kobe takes off.
If you play the video in slow motion you can see that Nash's feet were not planted until( /after) Kobe takes off, when he was clearly in shooting motion and Nash didnt give him space to change his direction. Nash was sliding into the position under where kobe was jumping and that could cause injuries if Kobe didnt hang after the dunk.

EDIT:
http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?name=SEARCH_es ... ime-060427
Anyone saw where Nash's hand was?

[Colin]

^No, they played the video numerous times in slow motion on TNT and he was in place before Kobe left the ground. You can try and argue that Kobe was in the shooting motion, but the rule is that you can't sneak in under someone who has jumped. The video footage is there that showed Kobe's feet still on the ground and Nash with his feet in position.

[gergerjai]

A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his shooting motion.

A defensive player must allow a moving player the distance to stop or change direction when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.

I'd be surprised if thats not the case.

[DB]

Also I felt this needed to be posted in reponse to DB's picture:

[peaches]

Nice work.

Shame on you for making Amare look gay.

[dada]

lol at the Brokeback gang.

Anyways, if Nash was standing up firm I would give him the charge but he was already falling back (trying to bait the ref) and I would call that movement on the play so thats a block.

Anyways, if this was the refs way of paying back LA for the bad call from game 1 then they could have kept it and really given it back when they desperately needed it.

Why?

The Lakers were steadily holding a 7/8 point lead and the way the game was going even if the Suns got 2 after the call I still would put my bet on LA winning.

Regarding the call in game one, The suns were up by 4 with less than a minute and if Kobe got free throws, the game would be cut down to 2 (putting huge pressure on the Suns in front of their fans)with enough time to foul and pray a guy makes 1 of 2 then run a good play for a solid look at 3. That possibility was completely erased with that bad call. Also the bad call led to Shawn Marion getting free throws directly after the incident after he got the rebound.


But of course all this doesnt matter since I believe it was a block.

[The_Flying_Tomato]

oh, that's supposed to be brokeback mountain? i wouldn't know, because you see, I don't watch movies where Heath Ledger and that other guy have gay sex or something. Not my idea of a good movie, though I'm sure you enjoyed it.