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Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:36 pm
Nothing will happen.... Marion will own Lamar Odom once again, leaving Kobe with no options whatsoever.
Kobe scored 51 in one game and they still lost by double digits... I doubt things will change.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:40 pm
Any news on when Amares' back?
Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:55 pm
Peachy wrote:Any news on when Amares' back?

Sarcasm or are you being serious ?
I think he's aiming to be back for the US traning Camp in July but Im not 100% sure
Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:57 pm
I hope you're joking. I'll be happy if he's ready for the start of the next season. There's no fucking way he's going to play for USA team and risk that he hurts himself again.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:20 pm
Yeh i wouldnt think he would risk it, Although he is am amazing talent i think he could be replaced with the amount of talented ball players wanting to play this time round. I'd love to see the man child Dwight Howard representing his country. Not sure if i'm the only one thinking the Lakers will give it PHX, much so as in 6 games. Well, maybe its just what im hoping for
Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:46 pm
Amare is on the playoff roster though, so perhaps the Suns are holding some hope that he can return at some point in the postseason, perhaps for short stretches here and there.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:50 pm
I think that's more due to them showing respect to Amare. I think you, Andrew, are seriously underrating Amare's injury. Him returning to play this season was his first mistake and trying to make another comebact in the postseason or for the WC would be a mistake #2.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:01 pm
I think you, VanK, are putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say I think he would return, I simply suggested that the Suns are perhaps hoping for an outside chance of that happening and therefore have him in the playoff roster just in case. Any team intending to make a serious run deciding to "show respect" by having an injured player on the playoff roster ahead of someone who is actually available to play is just wasting that inactive roster spot they now have in the postseason.
Also, I believe Amare's sitting out after having a procedure on his other knee, not the one he had surgery on in the offseason.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:16 pm
His (really, really) injured knee clearly bothers him more than just with giving him pain. He looked like he lacked mobility even before his other knee began troubling him, so sitting out and trying to rehab his explosivness was the obvious choice, but some of the reporters, some of the people in the Suns' organisation and some of us (with that I mean you, among others) thought that the 'reward was far greater than the risk'. That is simply not true and I do believe that the Suns are smart enough that they wouldn't allow Amare to risk another injury. And given their possibilites when comes to their playoff roster, I really don't think there was a decent alternative rather than include Amare. Thing is, if a miracle happens and the Suns win a championship, then Amare will get a ring. If he wasn't included, he wouldn't get any and I believe that's the point is exactly what I said - paying respect. Wouldn't be an odd situation if the Suns won and some scrub got a ring and Amare didn't?
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:26 pm
VanK wrote:His (really, really) injured knee clearly bothers him more than just with giving him pain.
I never denied there was a problem. He wouldn't be shut down if there wasn't.
VanK wrote:He looked like he lacked mobility even before his other knee began troubling him, so sitting out and trying to rehab his explosivness was the obvious choice, but some of the reporters, some of the people in the Suns' organisation and some of us (with that I mean you, among others) thought that the 'reward was far greater than the risk'. That is simply not true and I do believe that the Suns are smart enough that they wouldn't allow Amare to risk another injury.
Nice spin-doctoring there. The reward/risk I was referring to was the Suns' chemistry and a statement I did qualify with "if he's healthy". I don't think Amare's brief return has completely ruined the Suns.
VanK wrote:And given their possibilites when comes to their playoff roster, I really don't think there was a decent alternative rather than include Amare. Thing is, if a miracle happens and the Suns win a championship, then Amare will get a ring. If he wasn't included, he wouldn't get any and I believe that's the point is exactly what I said - paying respect. Wouldn't be an odd situation if the Suns won and some scrub got a ring and Amare didn't?
It would be an odd situation, if players not on the playoff roster didn't get a ring, but they do, making that argument completely incorrect and irrelevant.
Again, it's unlikely he'll return but since the Suns have that inactive roster spot, perhaps they're leaving the door open on the outside chance he can go.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:36 pm
Considering the facts that Amare
a.) wouldn't come back 100%, especially not stamina and athleticism-wise;
b.) that there's less or no room for mistakes in the playoffs I think that the risk-reward ratio (chemistry-wise) is a bit different than if he returned to action in the regular season with 15, 20 games left. He wouldn't have time to adapt to his teammates, or vice versa. Is either you contribute or you don't and I think there's a far greater possibilty that Amare starting to play in 2nd or 3rd round (if they even get past Lakers) actually hurts the Suns. But then again, you're completely right - even a 1% chance of Amare returning in playoff shape always outduels having a scrub on the end of your bench.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:45 pm
Yes, there's a risk with his health and might not work out as well as the Suns would hope. And yes, he probably won't return anyway. All I'm suggesting is the Suns are leaving the door open should that situation change. Otherwise there's no point in having him on the playoff roster, even ahead of Thompson who at least would be another healthy body to rotate in and out.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:52 pm
Well, his microfracture repaired knee was pretty close to 100% a month ago or so when he attempted a come back... it's not going to take him another year to come back... he was doing full practices; he said it was just tightness and swelling. Now he had arthroscopic surgery on the other.... I'm not sure how long he will be out for, but I'm pretty certain its a minor surgery (baseball players have it all the time).
I'm guessing by the time the arthroscopic surgery heals up, both knees will be fine, since he was nearly healed on the bad one to begin with.... who knows, maybe if they somehow make the finals, he can be thrown out there as a large body that can grab a rebound or two... like Andrew said, they are obviously not ruling it out.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:00 pm
That's basically how I see it unfolding if he was to return this year, only being activated if the Suns go deep in the Playoffs, he's healthy enough to play anything up to half a game without much risk and the Suns need him to play in stretches here and there to try and get over the hump. Having him on the playoff roster allows that scenario to happen should it be feasible. It probably won't come to that but the 13 man roster affords them the luxury of having that opportunity if it presents itself. I'm sure the Suns aren't counting on him to be back and are only considering the outside chance of that happening.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:33 pm
still see kobe scoring big and owning nash in the process to make him MVP
Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:37 pm
Suns in 6.....sticking to that.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:43 pm
Ill take Suns in 6 too. Chemistry is far too good, and Nashty will run the Suns past the Kobe's.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:09 pm
Lakers inn 4.
Anyways, seeing that winning the regular season series doesnt always equate to a postseason series victory, I like my chances with the Lakers on this series. Everybody believes Phoenix will blow them away but I think the opposite. Nobody really expects them to win so te pressure is more on Phoenix and that should play very well into LA's hands.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:22 pm
Honestly i cannot see Kobe carrying the Lakers throught the playoffs. He may have done it in the regular season but now its the big time. If the Lakers have any chance of beating phoenix Steve Nash has to break his back or something. Im calling it Phoenix in 5
Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:51 pm
Axel wrote:Kobe scored 51 in one game and they still lost by double digits... I doubt things will change.
You know the lakers didn't lose because Kobe scored 51, They lost because they couldn't get any defensive stops against this great offensive team. I don't think it's a smart idea of the suns to let Kobe "get his", cause what do think would happen if Kobe "get's his" and the lakers play terrific defense...
Anyways...the suns are going down.
Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:44 am
DB wrote:Axel wrote:I don't think it's a smart idea of the suns to let Kobe "get his", cause what do think would happen if Kobe "get's his" and the lakers play terrific defense...
That's a HUGE if. The Suns scored 122, 106, and 107 points in the games they won against the Lakers this season. I don't see anything changing, especially since the Lakers are a young team.
Suns in 5
Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:06 am
You know what changes? It's the play-offs. If the Lakers come out and play D this will be a very tight series.
Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:48 am
Jae wrote:You know what changes? It's the play-offs. If the Lakers come out and play D this will be a very tight series.
It seems like that's everybody's answer to everything.
Last year, people were saying the same thing about the Suns. "The change in tempo in the playoffs will do them in." Well, they swept the Grizz and took out a very tough Mavericks team in 6 games. True, this is a very different Suns team, but the Lakers aren't the type of team that can take the Suns out of their game.
Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:03 am
It's got nothing to do with the change of tempo. The Suns aren't this invincable force people seem to think they are.
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