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Postby lassen24 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:48 am

no kidding, i want steve nash to win it and i think he deserves it the most. But i think Chauncey might win it based on a few things, 1) all the hype the pistons have. 2) some voters might not want nash winning twice in a rom (may sound crazy but might be true since lots of people think he didn't deserve it last year) 3) chauncey owned steve a few days ago. and 4) steve doesn't play enough D.

MIP: Diaw with West and Mike James as runners up
6th Man: Mike Miller with speedy and donyell as runners up
ROY: no need to say anything
Defensive Player: Gerald Wallace or AK47, not sure at all to be honest.
Coach: Avery Johnson or Byron Scott should win in my opinion.
Executive: hmmm, Isaih Thomas should be a run away, but Rob Babcock might get Runner Up....
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Postby samson1028 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:01 pm

Andrew, y u didnt put avery johnson in the COY.

I mean this is only his 1st full year as a head coach but he's doing a great job.
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Postby Axel on Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:25 pm

MVP: Steve Nash

6th Man: Alonzo Mourning

DPOY: Shawn Marion

MIP: Boris Diaw

ROY: Chris Paul

GM: Elgin Baylor (LAC)

Coach: Gregg Popovich (yeah, I know everyone likes Flip, but Popovich has made the Spurs equally competitive despite injury to Duncan and Ginobili)
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:00 pm

samson1028 wrote:Andrew, y u didnt put avery johnson in the COY.


Because that's not my opinion or prediction, perhaps? ;)

I don't dispute what Avery Johnson has done is impressive, but I've already outlined why I'd give the award to Saunders.
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Postby Laxation on Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:12 pm

MVP: Nash
6th Man: Miller/Nocioni (most of Nocionis good stats came whist he has been starting, but prior to that he was doing well)
Defence: One of the Wallaces, I hope, but most likely Kirilenko.
Rookie: Paul
MIP: Diaw
Coach: Saunders
GM: Hornets or Bucks - I dunno their names.
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Postby Nel on Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:57 pm

MVP- Kobe
DPOY- AK47
6th Man- Mike Miller
MIP- Yao Ming
ROY- Deron Williams
Coach- Mike Brown
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Postby Matthew on Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:38 pm

what i find interesting is mvp is based on winning first and foremost, but why isnt rookie of the year based on that as well?
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Postby Jackal on Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:46 pm

The Lakers are .533. What would you consider a "winner"?

Being a contender would help.

Seriously, if being a contender didn't play a role in the MVP thingie, all the people that say Kobe should win the MVP award would still have to face the fact that LeBron James put up better all around stats compared to Bryant. Which would translate into him winning it opposed to Bryant.
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Postby J@3 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:51 pm

There's a difference though, Kobe's scoring numbers are completely unheard of since MJ was in his prime. Add that to the fact that the Lakers are (finally) a play off team. This isn't the same as last season.

Personally I see any team in the play-offs as a "contender", but I wouldn't give the MVP to Kobe mostly because of the amount of drama it'd cause. Just give it to Nash or Billups and keep everyone happy.
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Postby gnohgnek on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:01 pm

just join the fun guessing party. :D

MVP: Kobe Bryant - Broke too many records this year.
Rookie: Chris Paul - Bring Hornets to life.
MIP: Boris Diaw - His numbers.
Defence: Bruce Bowen - No Comment.
6th Man: Mike Miller - Who doesn't agree...?
Coach: Flip Saunders - Ask Pistons.
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Postby DB on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:04 pm

Jackal wrote:They agree with you based on nothing.


I don't know man, the mvp award is still an individual award so these records obviously mean "something"...
81 points on 61% shooting.
62 points through 3 quarters on 58% shooting.
Outscoring an entire team through 3 quarters. (Kobe 62- Mavs 61)
4 50+ point games.
23 40+ point games. matching Elgin Baylor for franchise record. (which he will break)
45+ points in 4 straight games. Hi Wilt. wave
2500+ points in a season. not since MJ...
43.4 PPG average for a month. 8th all-time. the first 7, Wilt owns...
One of two players to average 40+ PPG in 2 months. Wilt. wave
Reached 15,000 and 16,000 point mark this season. (youngest to do so)
Franchise record 55 points in a half.
Franchise record 30 points in a quarter.
Franchise record 18 FGM in a half.
Franchise record 23 FTM.
Franchise record 16 FTA in a quarter.
Franchise record 14 FTM in a quarter.
Franchise record 62 straight FTM.
Franchise record 7 straight 3's made w/o a miss.
Franchise record 6 steals in a half.
Has scored 20+ points in 55 consecutive games. (and obviously still going)
playoffs!
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He's gonna get it. :wink:
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Postby Jackal on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:08 pm

I don't really see that as a difference. It's nice he scores like a madman, it sure as hell is entertaining, but I don't think scoring in abundance should be the reason to hand him the MVP. I'm sure you'd get irritated at some Kobe jocker if he came in here saying he should win the MVP because he scored 81 points in a game.

As you said, since MJ, no one has been on such a scoring spree. Correct me if I'm wrong though, everytime MJ won the MVP award, it wasn't just for his scoring, it was because the Bulls were a definite threat for the trophy. Again, I'm not certain here, but I'm guessing this is the case. They are finally a play off team but they're just barely there. No one sees LA defeating teams like San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas in a 7 games series.

My reason for not giving the award to Kobe isn't because it'd cause too much fuss, it's because if it was based on what you're basing it on, I'd still be unfair if I gave it to Bryant instead of James.

Anyways, I've got no say in who wins the MVP award but my guess is that Nash will repeat as the MVP, especially with Amare out.
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Postby J@3 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:11 pm

As you said, since MJ, no one has been on such a scoring spree. Correct me if I'm wrong though, everytime MJ won the MVP award, it wasn't just for his scoring, it was because the Bulls were a definite threat for the trophy. Again, I'm not certain here, but I'm guessing this is the case.


Things were a bit different back then, I honestly think the MVP award has been cheapened somewhat since those days.

My reason for not giving the award to Kobe isn't because it'd cause too much fuss, it's because if it was based on what you're basing it on, I'd still be unfair if I gave it to Bryant instead of James.


Were you refering to me or the other guy? I haven't said anything I'd base giving him the MVP award on. It's obvious in either case that Kobe's not just a scorer, that's what separates him from a guy like Tracy McGrady in Orlando. In any case, I'd still give it to Nash.
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Postby Matthew on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:11 pm

I dont know why everyone is convinced the suns will go deep into the playoffs.. and jordan won his first mvp in 88, when the bulls won 50 games.
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Postby Jugs on Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:19 pm

You guys are all crazy, Shawn Marion for MVP :headbang:
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:29 pm

Matthew wrote:what i find interesting is mvp is based on winning first and foremost, but why isnt rookie of the year based on that as well?


The criteria for naming the best first year player needn't be the same used to determine the player most deserving of being called the most valuable player in the league.

Since the best players generally go in the lottery and usually the worst teams hold the lottery picks, a standout rookie might not always be on a team with a great record. For that matter, they may not even be playing the role of franchise saviour. So it's not necessarily fair to use that criteria when it comes to rookies.

As far as this season's concerned...which rookie on a winning team is having as fine a season as Chris Paul?

With the MVP, you're generally looking at the top players in the league all of whom are doing impressive things. You need another factor, that additional criteria to seperate them and choose one above the rest.
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Postby Jackal on Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:47 am

I dont know why everyone is convinced the suns will go deep into the playoffs..

I'm not sure who that's directed towards, but I can say this much, I'm sure the Suns won't go as deep as people are claiming they will go. I see San Antonio stepping it up come Playoff time. The league is pretty head over heels for Nash.
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Postby BIG GREEN on Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:02 am

Jae wrote:
As you said, since MJ, no one has been on such a scoring spree. Correct me if I'm wrong though, everytime MJ won the MVP award, it wasn't just for his scoring, it was because the Bulls were a definite threat for the trophy. Again, I'm not certain here, but I'm guessing this is the case.


Things were a bit different back then, I honestly think the MVP award has been cheapened somewhat since those days.



I agree..it's a little much centered on "symbolism". As said before..Jordan has won the mvp when the bulls where not a "contender". There should be a fine line drawn between individual stats and winning percentage...and right now..the bias is focued a little too much on winning. Who says that the MVP HAS to come from either the winninest team or the second winningest team?
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Postby xman on Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:41 am

MVP says most valuable player, Kobe is much more important player for Lakers than nash is for Suns, without kobe there would be no lakers and KG team did´t win so much games when he got the MVP i think , i don´t remember it exacli.
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Postby volsey on Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:53 am

MVP says most valuable player, Kobe is much more important player for Lakers than nash is for Suns, without kobe there would be no lakers and KG team did´t win so much games when he got the MVP i think , i don´t remember it exacli.

thats hard to say, the lakers would be a totaly different team without kobe, like other players would actualy score... but of course they wouldnt be anywhere near as good without him, but you can say that for so many teams and so many players.... the reason why people want nash to win is because he makes everyone look amazing around him.
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Postby Silas on Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:56 am

MVP - Nash
Other possibilities - Elton Brand or Chauncey Billups

I pick Nash because he's able to make everyone good, no matter who surrounds him. Players like Raja Bell and James Jones and Boris Diaw were mediocre players at best on their previous teams, but Nash is able to bring out the best in these players and he helps them be able to compete with anyone in the league. The team actually lost several guys who either shined last season or are shining with a new team. Amare, who was awesome last season, is out, and the suns still shine. Joe Johnson, who is putting up career numbers and leading the hawks, is gone, and Quinton Richardson, the sharp shooting energizer, is gone.

You could say give the MVP to a guy like chauncey or elton brand, but i just dont see how. The Pistons have stayed the exact same, they havent lost anyone significant, they are just getting better as they progress, and its true chauncey leads the team, but he couldnt do it without the four other fantastic detroit starters. And with brand, he has slowly been surrounded with better and better talent, and he's a career 20-10 guy and he's only made a slight improvement in his overall statistics while gaining a lot of help from guys like Sam Cassel, Cuttino Mobley, an up and coming Chris Kaman, and uninjured shaun livingston, and Vladamir Radmanovic.

Defensive Player of the Year: Ben Wallace
Other possiblities: Gerald Wallace or Andrei Kirilanko or Bruce Bowen

Ben Wallace, despite only being 6'9'', is consistently able to take the big man out of the game, and close up the lane, and i think that is something that he's been able to always do over the years and he's previous defensive player of the year awards have been well earned, but to be honoest there hasnt been a super defender who's been able to compete with him recently except for Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest, though Gerald Wallace is on the rise. I doubt he'll win it this year but he's young and has nowhere to go but up, especially on the bobcats.

Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul

Its easy, there are literally no possible people to compete with him on this one, i would say channing frye but his season ending injury has all but ended ANY possibility of him winning.

Sixth Man: Mike Miller

He's having a career year and is putting up great numbers, though if the season had started AFTER the all star break i would have picked earl watson hands down, as his work with the sonics is by far the best six man work so far this season.

Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Other Possiblities: Avery Johnson

A brand new coach and the best record, he's doing great, though he did already start with a championship caliber team, which is why i say dont leave out Avery Johnson as he's developed some good talent and brought the mav's into championship status talk.
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Postby DB on Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:00 am

volsey wrote:
MVP says most valuable player, Kobe is much more important player for Lakers than nash is for Suns, without kobe there would be no lakers and KG team did´t win so much games when he got the MVP i think , i don´t remember it exacli.

thats hard to say, the lakers would be a totaly different team without kobe, like other players would actualy score... but of course they wouldnt be anywhere near as good without him, but you can say that for so many teams and so many players.... the reason why people want nash to win is because he makes everyone look amazing around him.

Very true...but guys like "john stockton" and "Jason Kidd" have been doing the same stuff theyre entire careers but never received one. I'm not
taking anything away from Nash but i really don't wanna see him getting 2 mvp's in a row! I really really don't! I wouldn't argue if LJ's getting it tough...

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Steve nash/Dirk Nowitzki
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Chauncey Billups :?
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Postby TRUball on Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:46 pm

MVP: Kobe Bryant
Defensive: Gerald Wallace
6th Man: Mike Milller
MIP: David West
Coach: Avery Johnson / Jerry Sloan (if somehow Jazz make playoffs)
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Postby CERVANTES on Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:32 pm

MVP: I think nobody has been so important in his team to be MVP. Anyways I say Dirk.
DEFENSIVE: Jason Kidd
6th Man: Mike Miller
Most Improved: Boris Diaw-Riffiord
Coach of the year: Byron Scott / Lawrence Frank
Rookie : Chris Paul

MY COUSIN:
MVP : Kobe
Defensive player: Mourning
Rookie: Chris Paul
Most Improved: Boris Diaw
Coach: Flip Saunders
6th man : ¿ JASON TERRY :shock: ?
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Postby Laxation on Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:34 pm

Is your cousin aware that Terry is a starter?
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