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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:36 am

Hey guys, I'm home for the day for my brothers birthday, and I have a few hours while everyone else is at work/school in my family, and I figured I check in here, and give my take on everything Pacers that's happened since I've left, since so much has happened.

The Peja/Ron Trade:
I'll be completely honest, when this trade first went down (the first time) I was absolutley devastated. I wasn't only angry because Peja was the guy we got back, but I felt really stupid for defending Donnie Walsh for taking so long, when this trade could have been made 5 minutes after Ron made his demand. I still hold a grudge to Donnie for taking so long, yet still making this deal. However, when the trade fell through, that feeling was the worst. When the trade fell through obviously nobody else would touch Ron, and we'd probably end up with Chris Wilcox, if we were lucky. So the next day when it finally was official, I was happy, because as much as I disliked Peja, he's definitley better then Chris Wilcox or Derek Fisher. Now that Peja has played 8 games with us, I have done a complete 180 on him. The team is 6-2 with him, and playing the best ball all season. Its not like we're beating shitty teams either (see Detroit victory, and see narrow loss to San Antonio that should have been a W.) Peja brings a lot to the table, and I have been really surprised about his rebounding. I know he hasn't been this good of a rebounder his whole career, but all I have to go by is what I've seen of him as a Pacer. He gets some of the most impossible rebounds, its incredible. Sometimes a rebound will be practically in the hands of an other teams player and Peja will swoop in and take it from him, starting a fast break. The other thing I love about Peja is his release. I always knew he was a great shooter, but I didn't really know why. The thing about Peja is that he is taller then everyone who guards him, and he releases the ball so quickly, that he can shoot with someone on him or not, it doesn't really matter, because the ball is so high and released so fast the defender can't react quick enough. Ok, cue the NLSCers to jump in and say I only like him because I'm a Pacer homer, but all I have to say, is look at the type of ball we've been playing since he's been here. Also, Peja has better numbers in every single category then Ron since the trade. ;) Remember we still have our best player sitting on the bench with all this success, which leads me to my next topic.

Jermaine O'Neal:
I can't wait to see Jermaine and Peja play together, but if it doesn't work, I'd rather see JO traded this offseason, and see Peja re-signed. I know it sounds kind of crazy, but after the whole Bender thing happened, I have a real resentment towards the chronically injured. I want to cleanse the roster of the guys that are always injured, and that starts with JO and Tinsley. I think if Minny is ever going to trade KG, they will not get a better offer then JO and Tinsley. Any disagreements? However, I know everyone thinks that the team is a lot better with JO in a suit, because its true that we play better ball without him. The problem though, is not Jermaine, the problem is Rick Carlisle.

The Coach:
Rick has changed the playbook since Peja has arrived, and we've become much more of a running team, which really suits guys like Danny Granger, Sarunas, Peja, Foster, Harrison etc. and it works really well. We're winning ball games, and Rick is finally not being hardheaded anymore. When Jermaine comes back, that will be Rick's real test. If he goes back to the dump it in to Jermaine and watch offense again, he deserves to be fired right away. That obviously does not work, and the pieces that we have right now are much more suited to run then play the halfcourt stand around offense. Rick has always seemed like a guy that would play it safe and go back to his comfort zone, but he must keep this offense in tact when JO returns. If he does, boom, we're title contenders again.

Danny Granger:
Say hello to the future of the Indiana Pacers. Many will probably disagree, and maybe its only because I watch him play every night, but other then Chris Paul, I would take Danny Granger over any rookie in the league right now. He has a complete game all around. He can score, rebound, shut people down, and in 3 years he'll be an all star, mark my words.

Jeff Foster:
Jeff has always been productive as the starting Center, but there has always been a small problem with him, I just never could really put my finger on it. Rick figured it out before I did, and fixed it, which caused me to put my finger on it. JEFF FOSTER IS A POWER FORWARD, AND A DAMN GOOD ONE. When Jeff is playing Power Forward along with Pollard or Harrison and Center, the other team can't ever get an offensive rebound, and the interior is solid. Jeff is too weak to play Center, but as a PF he is absolutley perfect. Cheers to Rick for figuring this out, and hopefully he doesn't go back to playing him at Center when JO comes back, because he is playing the best ball of his career at Power Forward.

Stephen Jackson:
I don't know if any of you saw the fall he took against the Lakers in that game (which we absolutley pulverized them) but it was really ugly. He fell flat on to his side after being up by the rim, and I got to sneak up and sit right behind the basket for that game, so I was right there when the fall happened. Let me tell you... Jack was screaming louder then I've ever heard anyone scream in my life. I was thinking a career ending injury, and when I heard on the radio that he had been taken to the hospital I was really sad, I thought that this could be the end of Jack in a Pacer uni, at least for this season, and the last thing we needed was another injury to a key player. The next game was two days later against Detroit, and before the players come out, in Conseco they have a thing where on the jumbotron they show the players in the tunnel getting ready to come out. They had a close up of two feet doing an irish jig sort of dance, and I thought huh... those look like Steve's shoes, could he be playing?? Then they moved the camera up, and Jack is play boxing the camera, getting psyched to come out, and I just stood up and topped his scream as loudest ever. When they announced his name in the starting lineups we got so loud in there, it was amazing. Jackson is a warrior, and I don't care what anyone says, he is the toughest guy in the NBA. If I had taken a fall like that, I'd be in bed for weeks, but after the game Jack was signing autographs in his car, and I shook his hand and told him how impressed I was that he played and he smiled and said "My policy is, If I can walk, I can play." 500 cheers for Jack, he's a keeper.

Jamaal Tinsley:
Trade him. Always injured. Waste of talent. (Surprised Jae? :lol:)

Anthony Johnson:
AJ has been the heart and soul of this team other then SJack. Over the last 5 he's avering 19 a game, that's pretty damn impressive. Also, I don't know if any of you saw the tomahawk jam he threw down over PJ Brown, but watch out Nate Robinson...

Scot Pollard:
He's played really great since Peja has come over, and that's good, because he's been nothing more then a comedian since he's been here, its good to see that he still has something in him.

Ok there's one other thing that I debated whether or not I should post, but I decided that you can take it for what you wish. I met someone who has a definite inside scoop with the Pacers organization, I'm not going to say how, and you can believe me or not, I don't really care, I just decided that with the amount of Raptors fans on this forum, you guys may be interested to know. Since I haven't had the internet, I don't know how big of a rumor this was, but I didn't find anything about it here, so maybe it didn't get too big, but we offered JO for Chris Bosh, and the Raptors did consider it. Obviously, player for player that is a bad deal for the Raptors, but the Raps have concerns about whether or not CB will re-sign when he becomes a free agent after next season. After about 3 hours, the Raptors called back and declined. Again, I know I don't have a reputation as an "insider" or whatever, so choose not to believe me if you want, but it was a semi close deal to happening.

Anyways, I'll be here for a few more hours to respond and chat with you guys, but I have a flight out of here in 6 hours for Detroit, check the Pacers schedule if you're wondering why.
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Postby Matt on Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:47 am

sadly your time in Detroit will be ruined :P
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Postby Doobie on Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:47 am

Indy , glad to see you back man , well atleast for today . I see that your way of thinking has matured and I agree with you on Danny Granger , even though I never see him being the first scoring option of the team . He is a typical do-it-all guy and well , he is an excellent player . I personally believe the Pacers should trade away Tinsely (agree with you) but I think they should keep JO . You know better than I do that when Jermaine is healthy he is one hell of a force. And yes , Peja has been impressive , and I didn't know he could grab rebounds like he has been lately.

By the way , who wins tonight , Detroit or Indiana?
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Postby Fenix on Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:49 am

Well, CB4 for O'Neal would probably be good for both sides. A bit 'gooder' for Indiana, of course :lol:.

Jamaal Tinsley:
Trade him. Always injured. Waste of talent.

I agree 100%.

And Indy: welcome back.
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:52 am

VanK wrote:Well, CB4 for O'Neal would probably be good for both sides. A bit 'gooder' for Indiana, of course :lol:.


I really think Toronto would be taking a huge step backwards, but I still wouldn't do this deal from a Pacer perspective, because I don't think Bosh is going to win us anything in the next year or two, so I want to at least give JO the chance to play with Peja and see what can happen, you never know. :wink:

Doobie: Who wins? I don't know, Detroit is winless against us thus far this season. :wink:
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Postby air2k5 on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:02 am

lol, so you follow DEtroit everywhere?
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:12 am

air2k5 wrote:lol, so you follow DEtroit everywhere?


Yeah, you can tell I'm a huge Pistons fan.

I was looking around the forum, am I mistaken, or have a lot of fuckin retards joined since I've been gone?
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Postby cyanide on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:42 am

Indy wrote:and I just stood up and topped his scream as loudest ever.


Wow. :lol: You're definitely the biggest fan on the forums.

Glad to see you back and post your thoughts! And yeah, we always get our share of retards. They don't usually last long, though.

The thought of the Raptors considering a JO and Bosh deal really preturbed me. *shudders*
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:43 am

cyanide wrote:The thought of the Raptors considering a JO and Bosh deal really preturbed me. *shudders*


So does that mean you heard about it? Before reading this I mean.

By the way, you're lucky Babcock isn't in charge, maybe he would have done the deal. :lol:
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Postby cyanide on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:44 am

Naw, never heard about it till you mentioned it, since you have the insider's report :)
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:49 am

Ha, you guys could have 'pulled off' an Artest for Ruben Patterson deal, and you'd still be ecstatic. :lol:

Good to have you back, looks like my wish in the milestone thread came true. 8-)
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:52 am

\"Always What, Never wrote:Ha, you guys could have 'pulled off' an Artest for Ruben Patterson deal, and you'd still be ecstatic. :lol:


What the hell are you talking about? I was mad we traded for Peja at first, but I have been proven wrong. See the 19-7 numbers.

I'm not a blind fan, I'm pretty pissed at Donnie that Jamaal still sits on our bench, even though he does look pretty fashionable. Image
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:57 am

Whatever. :D

Scott Pollard looks absolutely ridiculous with the receding hairline-ponytail combo. :lol:
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:00 am

\"Always What, Never wrote:Scott Pollard looks absolutely ridiculous with the receding hairline-ponytail combo. :lol:


When in Scot's career has he not looked ridiculous?
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:07 am

When in Scot's career has he not looked ridiculous?


Conceded. But this is beyond description.
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Postby Indy on Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:18 am

\"Always What, Never wrote:
When in Scot's career has he not looked ridiculous?


Conceded. But this is beyond description.


I like the Samauri do!

Back on topic (How do you always manage to do that Weaver?)

I forgot to talk about David Harrison. If anyone has really gotten better because of the JO injury, its Hulk. Boy has he improved. Every aspect of his game is getting better, and its because he's getting minutes. I really can't wait to see him and Andrew Bynum battle in 3-4 years, because that's going to be a great matchup. It was a nice preview of it in the LA game a couple weeks ago. I think Bynum has a ton of potential, and these two guys are going to mean the return of the dominant center to the NBA. When I say dominant, I mean Shaq like dominance, where they just are huge physical speciman that truck you over and throw it down. Harrison is showing signs of that already, and boy does it look good. He's had some great games, and can easily score 8-16 points in 15-25 minutes, but the real improvment has been his rebounding. He'll be a 15-8 guy in 3 years. Plus he can block shots very well, and his intimidation factor is pretty damn amazing. The refs call a lot of bullshit fouls on him, which really sucks and is hurting his development.

Speaking of intimidation, did anyone else see Scot Pollard rip his jersey off his body in a game a couple of weeks ago? It was absolutley hilarious, he had an offensive rebound, then lost it and it turned in to a fast break and he was taken out. On his way to the bench he grabbed his jersey by the collar and just ripped the shit out of it. Absolutley hilarious.
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Postby cyanide on Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:33 am

Andrew Bynum? :lol: I'm not ready to give him anything yet, but then again, he's definitely gonna be better than a Kwame Brown. Ugh, I saw Brown play in Kobe's 82 point game, and man, he's just absolutely horrid.

I wouldn't compare Shaq to Harrison, either.

The temper tantrum Pollard threw is a nice story to hear :) Are there any other stories or tidbits you've heard, Indy? NBA soap operas are always nice to read about.
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Postby Fenix on Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:01 am

Bynum is a teriffic prospect. He's not gonna be Shaq-like, simply because he was an athletic freak while AB's athleticism is just decent. His game is not based on powe but on finesse. Kareem's touch is obvious here and it shows that this kid is willing to learn and has all the tools to succeed. Has anyone seen the length of his arms (reportedly 7'7'' wingspan)? If he continues to work on his game and body, 20/10/3 isn't out of the question.

And Harrison becoming 18/8 player? I hope you're joking. He's 5 years older than Bynum, has no heart and reportedly were poor work ethic. You could be glad if he gives you 12/7 every night (which is great).
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Postby John WB on Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:53 am

It doesn't suprise me Peja's doing good with Indy. He did his best with Sacto when he was the focal point of the offense. Yeah, they got rid of Webber, but they brought in all these other scorers and the offense changed. He does his best in run and gun offenses, which is why I'd love to see him sign with the Suns. From his comments in the past, I think he'll sign with the Bulls though.

Pollard has a budy in the team and Peja now and visa versa, so I'm not suprised he's playing better now.
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Postby J@3 on Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:50 am

Good to see you back Indy, but...

Danny Granger:
Say hello to the future of the Indiana Pacers. Many will probably disagree, and maybe its only because I watch him play every night, but other then Chris Paul, I would take Danny Granger over any rookie in the league right now. He has a complete game all around. He can score, rebound, shut people down, and in 3 years he'll be an all star, mark my words.


Didn't you make a similar post about Ike Diogu not long ago, basically adopting him as your long lost brother and declaring him the next Elton Brand? You seem to just copy/paste things about your favourite rookies lol... as far as the all star thing goes, interesting call. I won't rule it out.
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Postby cklitsie on Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:54 am

Indy! How did you leave me out of your goodbye thread? :lol:
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Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:19 am

Great to see you check in Indy. I did wonder what you thought about the deal since it went down not long after you left.
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Postby air2k5 on Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:54 pm

Indy wrote:
air2k5 wrote:lol, so you follow DEtroit everywhere?


Yeah, you can tell I'm a huge Pistons fan.

I was looking around the forum, am I mistaken, or have a lot of fuckin retards joined since I've been gone?

Hey man, chill.. my bad, I was distructed, I just noticed taht I typed Detroit instead of Indiana, shit.
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Postby Matt on Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:05 pm

told ya so!!!! :P
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Postby air gordon on Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:33 pm

ah man i missed an indy visit

what happened to the other pacer fans or was indy the only pacer fan here?

anyway- Minny wouldn't trade for JO and Tinsley exactly for the reasons you resent those them
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