All-Star 2006... The right picks?

[TheChancellor]

Is it just me who's in complete disagreement with the votes and decisions that got some of these players in the roster?

All of them are all-star caliber players. But based on stats and the effects that each of them have had on their team, do all these players deserve to be there? I wouldn't think.

For the East...

Rasheed Wallace: From 2000 to the end of his days in Portland, I'd say he was an all-star. But this guy is averaging close to career-lows and he gets selected? There are other players who deserve this more than he does. If you're gonna give it to a big man, give it to Antawn Jamison. He's far more consistent and produces better games.

Rip Hamilton: Yes he is the leading scorer on one of the best teams in the league. But I don't think that makes an all-star. Not over someone like Michael Redd. Redd averages more points, rebounds, and steals than Rip.

For the West...

Tony Parker: Yes, he's getting career highs. But there are more consistent players. Maybe give it to Bibby, who is also having a career year. Even give it to Camby. He's having a better season than Ben Wallace (despite the injuries).

Ray Allen: This guy is my favorite player. One of the purest shooters in the league. But even with a 24 point average, does he deserve to be an all-star? Probably, but is there better, more versatile players? Yes. I thought Melo would have been an all-star for sure this year.

Do you guys think anyone else should have earned a spot on the roster?

[Dan's Brain]

I think this topic has been covered pretty thoroughly somewhere.

[J@3]

I've stopped caring about who's picked. I just can't wait until next year to see all of the Rockets fans on here justifying a Western Conference starting 5 of Yao, Swift, Wesley, T-Mac and Alston.

[TheChancellor]

I think this topic has been covered pretty thoroughly somewhere.

So it has... The older subject wasn't very appealing so I kinda glanced over it when I was looking for a topic similar to mine. For those who won't be repeating theirselves, feel free to discuss.

[maes]

Yeah, i've made my comments in previous threads, but one point is that Tony Parker absolutely belongs there.

IMHO, what wins games is Field Goal percentage. Barring an obscene amount of turnovers for 1 side, holding your opponent to a low FG% and good shot selection and the ability to make on your side wins game, at a very simplistic level.

Parker is #2 in the NBA in FG%, from the PG spot, traditionally the worst FG% spot to take. The only other guys in this elite club who are scoring with that much consistency and still over 19 ppg are Shaq, Garnett, and Elton Brand. And he does dirty work in the paint, he's no primadonna. He charges in head first and gets his ass knocked down, and gets opposing bigs in foul trouble. And the times he does get clotheslined, he gets back up, wipes himself off, and doesn't make a big deal out of it, versus other NBA players who throw a kindergarten tantrum everytime someone touches their elbow.

When i watch the Spurs, i really couldn't care less about Bowen & Duncan, i tune in to watch Parker & Ginobili.

[eisfeld]

@ maes, your last sentence contains a lot of truth!

[Ruff Ryder]

I agree more with Chance here. I thought the exact same thing when I saw the selections. Rasheed Wallace is a heck of a player, dont get me wrong, but he's more of a borderline allstar. I think Rip Hamilton deserved to get in though, but I don't really like the 4 players from one team deal.

In the West I think Baron Davis should be there instead of Tony Parker. TP may have a high FG%, but he has low assist numbers in "traditionally" the best Assist spot to take. He's averaging .7 more points than Baron Davis, but BD is up 3.7 assists. I also think Carmelo or JRich should have got in, I don't think JRich or Melo will have much of a shot due to the power house guards and forwards in the West, but if TP can get in, then one of them should.

[Anthony15]

melo should have made it over allen.

[MaD_hAND1e]

The "All-star" game, is more of a "popularity game". Its just an easy way for the NBA to boost their ratings and earn money from the fans. The NBA just gives you what the majority of the fans want to see, so that more fans will watch the game, so the league has more money. Heck, if they put Wang Zhi Zhi into the allstar ballot at F, he would probably make the starting five since theres so many people in China that would vote for him along with Yao.

[j.23]

like maes said, parker definitely belongs there. i have no problem with rasheed being there. obviously, there's just more to it than stats -- he's still one heck of a player. same goes with hamilton, he's putting up career numbers and almost shooting 50% at the 2 spot - compare that to the likes of AI, t-mac ( i know he's listed as a SF, but still.. ) and kb8, hamilton is more efficient than any of them. i do have a problem with ray allen being selected though. don't get me wrong, i like ray but mike bibby should have been on there instead. bibby and brad miller have really been the only ones producing for the kings so far this year with injuries to peja, bonzi, and shareef. he also put up back to back 40 point games, and a string of 30 point games in january alone. i really don't see why coaches can overlook this guy, they seem to forget that he's one of the best clutch players in the NBA, and his numbers have been getting better each year.

[Matthew]

Chancellor, strong opinions there, but i dont agree with them. Rasheed Wallace is such an underated defender, he really should have been DPOY last season. I have no problems with him being on the team, and I think he should replace Jermaine as the starter instead of Bosh. You can't judge a player strictly on stats, becuase if that was the case why is Tim Duncan on the west squad instead of Carmelo?

Rip Hamilton: I could go either way on this one. Great shooter from midrange, but remember he did nothing in Washington and dont underestimate Ben Wallace's impact with his screen setting.


Tony parker has been the spurs most dominant offensive player so far this season, there is no way you can put bibby ahead of him. But i agree whole heartedly with Melo deserving a spot ahead of Ray Allen.

[TheChancellor]

Rasheed Wallace is underrated, but HE'S NOT AN ALL-STAR. Even considering what he does for the team, and his skill. Do you really think he's having an all-star year? Antawn definately should have been there. He's been getting shafted ever since his days in Golden State when he was one of the league leaders in points and rebounds. And I think he is again this year.

What highlights has Rasheed had? Nothing. The man has the strongest supporting team anyone could ever have. He's a significant part of the team not enough to be considered an all-star. And you really think he should have been DPOY? With .82 steals and 1.46 blocks? Seems like you're a fan of this guy.

If you want to talk about Rip, you have to think about what year he was in when playing for Washington. Players improve. I'm not saying Rip sucks, don't get me wrong. But there are better players, simply put.

And sorry for my misunderstanding. Screens are a HUGE part of the all-star game. Ben definately deserves it for his ability to screen... Not that I disagree with him being an all-star anyway.

Parker is either way. I just happen to think Bibby is better. The onyl reason why Parker has such a high FG percentage is because he's taking advantage of how the officials have changed the way they make calls. Scottie Pippen wrote an article on that subject and he mentioned the same thing. And also, for a point guard on a championship caliber team, he should have more assists, like Chauncey. With 5 assists per game you have to question his worth as a point guard.

[air2k5]

melo should have made it over allen.

Yea ok..... Melo is not consistent, his shot is OFF this season. THe way he gets points is by getting into the paint and getting fouled. Melo is not an all star, sorry. I think Yao should NOT be a starting Center since he is not playing well this season, and missed almoust 15 games. If he did not get all the votes out of CHina he would not even be on the roster. As for Rasheed, fuck no, he should not be in the all star game, he is not an all star. He is a good player, that is it. Dwight Howard has a better game then he.

[Laxation]

Parker is either way. I just happen to think Bibby is better. The onyl reason why Parker has such a high FG percentage is because he's taking advantage of how the officials have changed the way they make calls. Scottie Pippen wrote an article on that subject and he mentioned the same thing. And also, for a point guard on a championship caliber team, he should have more assists, like Chauncey. With 5 assists per game you have to question his worth as a point guard.

you ever watched him play, or are you basing this completely on stats? watching him play he drives in, takes the shot if its there or dishes out for an open 3 if it isnt. and if the only reason that his fg%is so high is because of the rule change, and its so fuckign easy to do it, why dont all players play like him? obviously its so dam easy now
as for your bf bibby, he is getting less assists, less rebounds and only 0.9 more points than parker.

as for sheed, his stats dont depict how good he plays (nor do they justify a spot in the lineup if you are going purely from stats) and same with hamilton, rip definately should be there. once again i highly doubt you have watched them play.
and im not quite sure of your arguement here for hamilton... you are saying that rip improved from washington, so he shouldnt be on the team? if thats right, its got to be one of the stupidest reasons for NOT being on the team ive ever heard.

Even give it to Camby. He's having a better season than Ben Wallace

theyre in different conferences...

[John WB]

melo should have made it over allen.

Yea ok..... Melo is not consistent, his shot is OFF this season. THe way he gets points is by getting into the paint and getting fouled. Melo is not an all star, sorry. I think Yao should NOT be a starting Center since he is not playing well this season, and missed almoust 15 games. If he did not get all the votes out of CHina he would not even be on the roster. As for Rasheed, fuck no, he should not be in the all star game, he is not an all star. He is a good player, that is it. Dwight Howard has a better game then he.

Allen's not exactly had his best shooting year this year and his team is losing. Melos is winning.

Melo averages more points and rebounds and shoots at a higher percentage from the field.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I expect to see Flip put in all 4 of the Pistons on the court at the same time. This is where the All-Star game is going to go at a very slow pace. I would like to see those 4 and probably Bosh, Wade or Lebron as the other player on the court just to see how those 5 would look if the Pistons ended up picking one of them instead of that other guy

[hipn]

Melo is clutch.

[John WB]

I expect to see Flip put in all 4 of the Pistons on the court at the same time. This is where the All-Star game is going to go at a very slow pace. I would like to see those 4 and probably Bosh, Wade or Lebron as the other player on the court just to see how those 5 would look if the Pistons ended up picking one of them instead of that other guy

Yeah, them 4 with Wade'd be really interesting.

Though Wade'd be way out of position.

[Timberwolves1990]

TimDuncan is the the Forward for the West Wich should have gone to Kevin Garnett, but Kg is a great as a reserve too because he always puts the team on his back and comes thru, Kg Should be starting.

Yao Ming shouldnt even play because he missed 22 games.

[conartist]

The "All-star" game, is more of a "popularity game". Its just an easy way for the NBA to boost their ratings and earn money from the fans. The NBA just gives you what the majority of the fans want to see, so that more fans will watch the game, so the league has more money. Heck, if they put Wang Zhi Zhi into the allstar ballot at F, he would probably make the starting five since theres so many people in China that would vote for him along with Yao.

minor note about wang zhi zhi and china:
i thought i read somewhere there were actually more online votes going out to tmac than yao from china. i could be wrong there.

in any event, nobody in china would vote for wang zhi zhi because he is like blacklisted by the chinese government or something for refusing to return to china to represent them in a world championship tournamnet or something?

however i do agree that all star game is a popularity game. it brings home the ratings, the viewers, and the money.

[air2k5]

melo should have made it over allen.

Yea ok..... Melo is not consistent, his shot is OFF this season. THe way he gets points is by getting into the paint and getting fouled. Melo is not an all star, sorry. I think Yao should NOT be a starting Center since he is not playing well this season, and missed almoust 15 games. If he did not get all the votes out of CHina he would not even be on the roster. As for Rasheed, fuck no, he should not be in the all star game, he is not an all star. He is a good player, that is it. Dwight Howard has a better game then he.

Allen's not exactly had his best shooting year this year and his team is losing. Melos is winning.

Melo averages more points and rebounds and shoots at a higher percentage from the field.

I get to see most Nuggets games. He misses his shots, he drives inside and scores, what changed is that Karl tought him how to take the ball down low instead of pulling of for a jumper. He takes more layups that is why his FG precentage is up. If he took as many shots from the field as last season, tehn his percentage would be much lower.