Wilts #'s to team wins the year he won MVP compared to Kobe

[John WB]

Wilt Chamberlain won the league's MVP 4 times. Each year he did was a result of team success. His team finished at least 23 games over .500 each year he won it.

MJ won the MVP 6 times, in 1988, 91, 92, 96 and 98.

the 88 Bulls went 50-32, 91 went 61-21, 92 went 67-15, 96 went 72-10, and 98 went 62-20.

Larry Bird won the MVP 3 times, from 1984-1986.

the 84 Celtics went 62-20, 85 went 63-19, and 86 went 67-15.

Magic won the MVP 3 times, in 1987 and 1989-90.

the 87 Lakers went 65-17, 89 Lakers 57-25, and 90 went 63-19.

Team Record: PPG comparison between Wilt and Kobe

Season Team Team Record PPG
1959-60 Philadelphia 49-26 37.6
1960-61 Philadelphia 46-33 38.4
1961-62 Philadelphia 49-31 50.4
1962-63 San Fran. 31-49 44.8
1963-64 San Fran. 48-32 36.9
1964-65 San Fran. 17-63 38.9
1964-65 Philadelphia 40-40 30.1
1964-65 S.F.-Phil. 34.7
1965-66 Philadelphia 55-25 33.5
1966-67 Philadelphia 68-13 24.1
1967-68 Philadelphia 62-20 24.3

1968-69 Los Angeles 55-27 20.5
1969-70 Los Angeles 46-36 27.3
1970-71 Los Angeles 48-34 20.7
1971-72 Los Angeles 69-13 14.8
1972-73 Los Angeles 60-22 13.2

MVP years in Bold.

The late Laker teams he had team success were led by Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, of course him among others.

Kobe Bryant
Season Team Team Record PPG
2005-06 Los Angeles 24-23 35.7


Overall stat by stats comparison:

I took out three-point field-goal percentage, steals, blocks, turnovers and personal fouls per game because those stats weren't kept in Wilt's time.

Wilts MVP Year Stats(1960, 1966-1968)

Season Team G Min/G FG% FT% RPG APG PPG
1959-60 Philadelphia 72 46.4 0.461 0.582 27.0 2.3 37.6
1965-66 Philadelphia 79 47.3 0.540 0.513 24.6 5.2 33.5
1966-67 Philadelphia 81 45.5 0.683 0.441 24.2 7.8 24.1
1967-68 Philadelphia 82 46.7 0.595 0.380 23.8 8.6 24.3

1960 NBA 45-30 3rd, Eastern Division Lost East Div Semis
1968 NBA 62-20 1st, Eastern Division Lost East Div Finals
1967 NBA 68-13 1st, Eastern Division Won NBA Finals
1966 NBA 55-25 1st, Eastern Division Lost East Div Finals


His 100-pt game was in 1962. 76ers finished 41-39 that year, 3rd in the Eastern Conference.

Here are his his per game stats for that year. His best year in points per game. His 2nd best year was a year later with 44.8 ppg and he didn't win the MVP then either.

Season Team G Min/G FG% FT% RPG APG PPG
1961-62 Philadelphia 80 48.5 0.506 0.613 25.7 2.4 50.4

Bill Russell won MVP that year averaging 18.9 PPG. (Boston went 60-20 and had the best record in the NBA)

Kobe's current numbers.

Season Team G Min/G FG% FT% RPG APG PPG
2005-06 LA Lakers 45 40.5 .450 .845 5.6 4.3 35.7

Lakers are currently 24-23 and 8th in the West.

Sources:
nbahoopsonline.com/teams/Philadelph...rlin/stats.html

www.basketball-reference.com

[Maaarf]

Yeah but did Wilt ever rape anybody? I thought so.

Kobe > Wilt > A pile of shit > G-Unit > Your thread

[John WB]

Thanks you for displaying your intelligence.

[cklitsie]

Thanks you for displaying your intelligence.

OWNED!

[Matt]

Wilt apparantely had sex with 20,000 women, i'm sure he raped his fair share.

[Heiks]

So the point is that Kobe shouldn't be a MVP candidate?

[Its_asdf]

Yes, we get it. Kobe sucks, we've heard that 16 million times before......

[Maaarf]

My point was that comparing them is pointless.

Thanks you for displaying your intelligence.

Yeah, thanks me... Next time you want to insult my intelligence make sure you spell-checked your post.

[dan_suth]

Yeah but did Wilt ever rape anybody? I thought so.

Kobe > Wilt > A pile of shit > G-Unit > Your thread
....
My point was that comparing them is pointless.

That's a pretty shitty way to make your "point"

Seriously, this is a good thread, he presents a lot of good information, why are you guys trying to ruin it? I think it proves that Kobe will probably not win the MVP but guys like Chauncey, Nash, Dirk, and Brand are the frontrunners.

Nice research.

[cyanide]

I hope this info will drive into people's heads that an overall team record do matter, and not just solely on individual performance. There has to be a correlation with individual performance and team win totals, where Kobe is seriously falling behind on.

Nice research and backing it up with history.

[BIG GREEN]

Yeah but did Wilt ever rape anybody? I thought so.

Kobe > Wilt > A pile of shit > G-Unit > Your thread

you my friend..should be banned for uselessness.

Anyway, anyone who isnt delusional knows that Kobe doesn't deserve it this year. With his numbers...and a winning laker's team...he would deserve it hands down. It has nothing to do with kobe hating as many people believe.

[hipn]

Stop comparing Kobe with greats like Wilt. Different era, different type of game, different rules.

[Jing]

still kobe shouldnt get the award because though he is doing superman stuff, his team is more on the level of.. say a nobody team

[[Q]]

Stop comparing Kobe with greats like Wilt. Different era, different type of game, different rules.

agreed. Especially living in L.A., I'm so sick of hearing about it.

[fgrep15]

I'm not sure if you guys are stupid, or just stupid, the comparison is not Wilt vs Kobe, it's comparing MVP trophies to personal stats and wins, and who better to use for personal stats than Wilt. As you can see, Wilt did not win MVP in his 4 best PPG years. Some people still can't get it through their mind, the guy that averaged 19 PPG and won 60 games won it over him even though he averaged 50 PPG. Kobe isn't even close to 50 PPG right now.

The last 17 years, no MVP has been on a team with less than I think 56 wins.

2 of Wilt's 4 MVP's, he got while averaging less than 25 PPG. It's to all those people who keep thinking Kobe's scoring is something that has never been achieved before and that he should get MVP for barely breaking .500, just because he's scoring a lot.

Yes, every great players is valuable to their team, take them out and their team sucks, but MVP is not about your personal stats if they aren't leading to your team being a top team. Whether it's because of you, or because of the team around you, no one truly cares.

[GloveGuy]

John WB, are you trying to make a point? I could've gone to Basketball Reference and gotten those stats. No offense, but the context of your post leaves very little for discussion.

[dada]

NLSC should have a ban on the word Kobe for like a week or something.

[Axel]

The Lakers are barely in the playoff picture. There is no way Kobe is the MVP. Perhaps most prolific scorer, but not the MVP.

[Fresh8]

If Kobe had led the team to wins against the Hornets, Bobcats and the other teams that they have lost to recently, without Lamar and Mihm... then he would be considered a MVP candidate. However, the fact that the Lakers have now basically crumbled... just really makes him look less like the League MVP.

[Andrew]

Pretty much backs up the "Kobe isn't MVP simply because of the 81 points" side of the debate from a historical standpoint. If Kobe leads the Lakers to an unthinkable record then he'll take home the MVP, not for piling up the points but for carrying a team places it wasn't expected to go.

[cyanide]

John WB, are you trying to make a point?

His point is to dispel the whole "Kobe for MVP" talk in the minds of half of this forum by saying that Kobe's team needs the W's if he has a shot at MVP regardless of his individual performance.

[Its_asdf]

I'm not sure if you guys are stupid, or just stupid

A little bit of both I guess.

[Bang]

If I am right...100% of the MVPs have made it to the second round. Kobe might break this record. Wow another record for Kobe!

[hipn]

I'm not sure if you guys are stupid, or just stupid, the comparison is not Wilt vs Kobe, it's comparing MVP trophies topersonal stats and wins, and who better to use for personal stats than Wilt. As you can see, Wilt did not win MVP in his 4 best PPG years. Some people still can't get it through their mind, the guy that averaged 19 PPG and won 60 games won it over him even though he averaged 50 PPG. Kobe isn't even close to 50 PPG right now.

The last 17 years, no MVP has been on a team with less than I think 56 wins.

2 of Wilt's 4 MVP's, he got while averaging less than 25 PPG. It's to all those people who keep thinking Kobe's scoring is something that has never been achieved before and that he should get MVP for barely breaking .500, just because he's scoring a lot.

Yes, every great players is valuable to their team, take them out and their team sucks, but MVP is not about your personal stats if they aren't leading to your team being a top team. Whether it's because of you, or because of the team around you, no one truly cares.

[John WB]

John WB, are you trying to make a point? I could've gone to Basketball Reference and gotten those stats. No offense, but the context of your post leaves very little for discussion.

Yes you could have gone there, but my post puts it all together.

The point is you gotta win games and a lot of games(gotta be on the top 1 or 2 teams in the NBA) to be an MVP, not merely be a .500 team no matter how good your numbers are.

fgrep15 did a great job summing up why.

The last 10 MVPs
Year Player Team Record PPG
04-05 Steve Nash Phoenix 62-20 15.5
03-04 Kevin Garnett Minnesota 58-24 24.2
02-03 Tim Duncan San Antonio 60-22 23.3
01-02 Tim Duncan San Antonio 58-24 25.5
00-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 56-26 29.8
99-00 Shaquille Oneal Los Angeles 67-15 29.7
98-99 Karl Malone Utah 37-13 23.7
97-98 Micheal Jordan Chicago 62-20 28.7
96-97 Karl Malone Utah 64-18 27.4
95-96 Micheal Jordan Chicago 72-10 30.4

Each is at least 30 games over .500, cept the Utah team in 99, which was a lockout season.

John WB, are you trying to make a point?

His point is to dispel the whole "Kobe for MVP" talk in the minds of half of this forum by saying that Kobe's team needs the W's if he has a shot at MVP regardless of his individual performance.

Thank you!