TRADE: Knicks get Jalen Rose

[Andrew]

That sounds like a trade Brown would like, given Patterson and Ratliff's defensive prowess and the fact Brown coached Ratliff in Philadelphia. Surely Isiah isn't about to give up on Frye, who's somewhat proven the naysayers wrong...when he's given the chance to play.

[Amphatoast]

if knicks do that i'll stop watching basketball period

[Num33Baller]

Trading Frye would be the biggest mistake Isiah could make... Unless he traded for like amare or something...

[zmac]

Maybe that sex assault thing or whatever screwed Isaihs mind, because this trade makes no sense for the Knicks. I mean, what they need Rose for, they got tonnes of PG/SG/SF, Marbury, J-Crawf, Ariza, Woods, Q-Rich, and so on.

Toronto gets a for this.

[Axel]

But the more I think about it, Rose can help New York. He will probably start ahead of Nate Robinson (thank fucking god) and Davis' starting spot should be either Ariza's or Frye's, which will help. Theres no point to tanking the season for the draft pick, becuase it's chicago's, and i spose it doesnt make all that much sense to let Davis' contract expire becuase New York is so over the cap it wont matter.

Plus the first round pick will help.

I don't think so. The rookies need time to play and develop, that's why it's called a rebuilding process. Bringing in an aging verteran with a high salary just hinders any growth.

Patience, people. Rose will not make them a playoff team, a .500 team, or for that matter even bring them out of the cellar in the Atlantic.

[Amphatoast]

Maybe that sex assault thing or whatever screwed Isaihs mind, because this trade makes no sense for the Knicks. I mean, what they need Rose for, they got tonnes of PG/SG/SF, Marbury, J-Crawf, Ariza, Woods, Q-Rich, and so on.

Toronto gets a for this.

frye/malik rose/ david lee/ marice taylor all are true PF like davis.

[Matthew]

The rookies need time to play and develop

And the trading of Davis increases playing time for their best rookie, Channing Frye...

As for rebuilding? For what? They can't get a high draft pick becuase the bulls own their pick this season. And yes it's true he has a high salary, but the Knicks will be over the cap regardless of Rose's deal. His contract makes no difference there.

With all that being said, maybe it's time Larry Brown moved upstiars to take charge of basketball operations? Then maybe he could hire Isiah as head coach?

[BOSS]

Yes ! Toronto beat New York. Jalen Rose was one of my fav Raptors but business is business and w/e helps the team in the long run. Finally ... I think we can lock Bosh and James so Bosh will be happy. We also will have cash to sign a big man in the off-season. Nene perhaps ?

I like the starting rotation now for the Raptors.

C : Sow
PF: Bosh
SF: Villanueva
SG: Peterson
PG: James

[Jugs]

I don't think it is a COMPLETE lock for Bosh, but he likes James, and he's locked in for the Raptors....

It's possible for Bosh to stay, i know the Raptor fans would love it. And hopefully Davis stays instead of buying out his contract.

As for Knicks, they're fucked now.

[Matthew]

Care to elaborate on how the knicks are "fucked now"?

[Jugs]

Fine, I shall rephrase myself

The Knicks are definitely out of the play-offs race this year unless a miracle happens like Quentin Richardson plays defence or something.

It is too early to tell for the year after, but a lot of contracts do come off the pay-roll in 2007, which is a decent looking sign for the Knicks.

Hopefully Isiah does some good drafting this year and gets some nice steals for his team.

I still hope the knicks do a sign and trade with Ariza along with Crawford or Quentin Richardson for an expiring contract

[Matthew]

I dont see how this trade definately knocks them out of the playoffs? Quentin Richardson's lack of defence isnt whats hurting new york. It's their lack of an identitiy on offense, with Marbury the only consistant option.

[Jugs]

well, the Knicks are 7 wins behind 8th place and have won 1 of their last 10 games... they need to get off their current slump and start playing well on both ends of the floor...plus there are at least another 5-6 teams above them that have possibly a greater chance to make the play-offs than the Knicks. They need to win the next 15 out of 20 games to have a really good chance at making the play-offs. If they do that, then shoot me in the leg and call me a tool

[John WB]

According to WFAN's Chris Russo, Rose will make $16.9 mil in 2007. So Isiah added MORE salary????? OMFG....I give up.

FIRE ISIAH NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off-topic, but Chris Russo is the man!!

stop being such pescimist(spelling?) . C'mon guys , cheer up . Eventually Thomas/Dolan whoever is going to die and we might get a smart owner or GM . Hopefully

Yeah, wow.. great news.

The pick belongs to Denver? Wow, and I liked Denver. It's going to be tough me rooting for them to lose.

and Davis' starting spot should be either Ariza's or Frye's, which will help.

Ariza starting? :lol That's not happening.

I think he should put Lee back in the line-up or try our Frye in the line-up again, although supposedly he plays better off the bench, but I'm not too sure about that.

I'm amazed Isaiah is able to keep his job. It's as if he is intentionally searching for ridiculously overpayed players so he can trade for them. I wonder when he will make a move for Adonal Foyle.

I saw this rumored trade at another website - Ruben Patterson & Theo Ratliff for Frye and Penny Hardaway. Now if Isiah is dumb enough to make that move, this long-time Knick fan is done with this franchise until they clean house, from Dolan on down. Hopefully that's just a rumor.

If they trade Frye or Lee, I'm done.

You can call me a full-fledged Nets fan from then on.

I still hope the knicks do a sign and trade with Ariza along with Crawford or Quentin Richardson for an expiring contract

You and me both.

[[L3]1101]

I've been reading a lot of news articles saying there is a likely chance that Davis won't play a single game for the raps. I'm fine with this idea as davis didn't end his career with the raptors that well, and we really don't need him except maybe for his experience. But where will this lead the raptors? We just traded Aaron Williams for 2 draft picks, and now Rose for davis. Both were good trades, but we are 2 men short. We are very thin at the SF position. Charlie V played SF tonight, but i don't think he can play SF with every team. That leaves, Joey Graham at SF? He is a rookie, so he's not very dependable at crucial times. It'll be nice for him to get more minutes, but we still need a SF. As i write this, i remember the team has another Williams. But he's not very dependable either. Oh well, we'll figure something out.

[Matthew]

well, the Knicks are 7 wins behind 8th place and have won 1 of their last 10 games... they need to get off their current slump and start playing well on both ends of the floor...plus there are at least another 5-6 teams above them that have possibly a greater chance to make the play-offs than the Knicks. They need to win the next 15 out of 20 games to have a really good chance at making the play-offs. If they do that, then shoot me in the leg and call me a tool

I'm aware of their dismal play, but to imply they dont have a shot simply becuase of this trade is just stupid. This trade will increase their chances to become a better team in the immediate future becuase Rose is an actual threat out there on the offensive side of the ball.

Ariza starting? :lol That's not happening.

He's started close to 1/3 of the games this season.. and now that davis is traded, brown may go for a curry, lee, ariza frontcout. I'd rather see frye in the mix than lee though, but thats just me.

[Its_asdf]

But the more I think about it, Rose can help New York.

Thats what I first thought when the Raptors traded for him. Trust me, he's so one dimensional its painful to watch... And the only way he can score is by taking up 1/2 of the shot clock trying to post up someone, shoot the ball with a guy in his face or try to beat a guy off the dribble with his mediocre quickness and lousy jab steps.

Yes, he can score. But he needs the offence to be centred around him to put up big numbers.

[John WB]

Ariza starting? :lol That's not happening.

He's started close to 1/3 of the games this season.. and now that davis is traded, brown may go for a curry, lee, ariza frontcout. I'd rather see frye in the mix than lee though, but thats just me.

He's started 10 of of the Knicks 45 games, none of which were recent, and 10 of which he didn't play at all. And the 10 starts doesn't say much because like every Knick(except Butler and Penny) has had started at one point. Most of the starts came early in the season, when he was still unknown to LB. He's one of the leasts Knicks in minutes when he does play and that's saying something with all the line-up changes Browns has had.

He can't shoot from anywhere, including the free-throw line and his defense is erratic. He's a hustle guy, which is what I like about him. Sadly our only other SF option has been Q and he can't hit a shot unless Steve Nash is passing it to him.

[Jeffx]

The rookies need time to play and develop

And the trading of Davis increases playing time for their best rookie, Channing Frye...

As for rebuilding? For what? They can't get a high draft pick becuase the bulls own their pick this season. And yes it's true he has a high salary, but the Knicks will be over the cap regardless of Rose's deal. His contract makes no difference there.

With all that being said, maybe it's time Larry Brown moved upstiars to take charge of basketball operations? Then maybe he could hire Isiah as head coach?

Matt, that "playoffs no matter what" attitude is why this franchise hasn't won sh!t since 1973. Forget playoffs - this season(and the next few) should be about developing the young players and letting these stupid contracts expire. Until NY gets under the cap, they can't sign a franchise player in order to become a playoff contender. So what's the point in trying to squeeze water out of a rock, which is what management has been doing the past 30+ years. Remember what the Bulls did after 1998?That's what NY should have done after 2000. If it takes 4-6 years of rebuilding to straighten this franchise out, then so be it. But first, we need smart management. Matt, I've been saying this for years - as long as James Dolan and Cablevision are in charge, Knicks are f----d.

[IronMan]

It's too bad Rose had such a big contract... I liked having him in Toronto, and I didn't realize how much I missed him when I saw him in a suit sitting with the Knicks. My favourite moment from yesterday's game was when Peterson made one of his trademark fluke shots from half court, and Rose was looking over at his old teammates smiling while all his current teammates were in a huddle.

Anyways, this trade is going to open up a lot of playing time for Grahame, it'll be interesting to see how he'll take advantage of this time.

[Matt]

The Knicks are definitely out of the play-offs race this year unless a miracle happens like Quentin Richardson plays defence or something

haha, that gave me a good laugh.

Like mentioned, the contracts in this trade don't really matter. Actually a good trade for NYK considering that someone has to eat up A Davis minutes, be it Lee or Frye (you just get the feeling that it'll be Maurice Taylor).

Still plenty of work ahead for this team to get anywhere.

[hipn]

NYK are so unorganized. Brown can't coach them unless they play defence first.

[Matthew]

Matt, that "playoffs no matter what" attitude is why this franchise hasn't won sh!t since 1973. Forget playoffs - this season(and the next few) should be about developing the young players and letting these stupid contracts expire. Until NY gets under the cap, they can't sign a franchise player in order to become a playoff contender. So what's the point in trying to squeeze water out of a rock, which is what management has been doing the past 30+ years. Remember what the Bulls did after 1998?That's what NY should have done after 2000. If it takes 4-6 years of rebuilding to straighten this franchise out, then so be it. But first, we need smart management. Matt, I've been saying this for years - as long as James Dolan and Cablevision are in charge, Knicks are f----d.

Yep you have, and I have to give you kudos becuase you are 100% right. But with trading Davis, that will give (or should, unless if they give the starting job to taylor or malik rose) Frye and Lee more minutes, which will help them to develop.

As for aquiring Rose, I can see why. It does improve their stability in the backcourt, and if they make the playoffs, it wont hinder the rebuilding process becuase of the Bulls owning that pick.

Plus they get a 1st rounder in the deal. I'm not saying this deal is great, I actually rolled my eyes when I saw it on sportscenter. It looks all too familiar, and the knicks have to start letting contracts expire rather than getting more and more. But if New York doesn't take on any more, this deal won't hurt them.