The Facts: Wilt's 100 Game

[J@3]

I found this the other day, it's really interesting since there's no video evidence of Wilt's 100 game, it's nice to hear what people who were actually there have to say about it.

http://wiltfan.tripod.com/onehundred.html

It did kill off the mystique around his 100 game for me a bit. To be honest, it looks like he was force fed the ball from the end of the 1st in a meaningless blow out game. To the extent where one player from the opposition deliberately fouled out because of what was going on. Wilt's opinion on it is interesting also, he didn't seem too satisfied with it. Then again, if you take 60 shots you've got to think you'd score something close to 100.

[Axel]

So you're saying a game against the Toronto Raptors counts as meaningful?

He shot a good PCT... over 50%, similar to Kobe. Good free throw shooting as well. Kobe was force fed the ball (maybe not the entire game, but once he got going definetly). He also had 25 rebounds...

He took more shots, but they werent worth 3 pts either, so of course he would have had to take more to get to 100. The only thing that really matters is field goal pct.. and he shot the ball very well. Both were great performances, but I don't think there is any evidence to discredit Wilt's game.

[Colin]

I knew I'd heard it was a blowout. Score one for me.

[Malfa]

good find you

[J@3]

So you're saying a game against the Toronto Raptors counts as meaningful?

When you're in the middle of a season and your team is getting beaten by them, then yes.

He shot a good PCT... over 50%, similar to Kobe.

Wilt shot 57%, Kobe shot 60%. You don't think that's a "big deal"?

Kobe was force fed the ball (maybe not the entire game, but once he got going definetly).

He was hardly force fed the ball like Wilt was. The Lakers still had to try to win the game, the game Wilt played in was already won by half time.

I have no idea why you think I'm trying to discredit Wilt, is it not possible to give credit to another player without discrediting someone else? These are facts that alot of people wouldn't have known about this game. It's called a matter of interest.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Wilt Chamberlain: When I got into the 80s, I heard the fans yelling for 100. I thought, "Man, these people are tough. Eighty isn't good enough. I'm tired. I've got 80 points and no on e has ever scored 80." At one point, I said to Al Attles, "I got 80, what' the difference between 80 and 100?" But the guys kept feeding me the ball.

Pete D'Ambrosio (official): The game was a real pain in the neck to call. The last three minutes of the game took about 20 minutes. The Knicks were jumping on guys just to keep the ball away from Wilt. Then New York would get the ball, and Philly would foul.

I mean they did try to stop him, but no one just couldn't.

Al Attles (teammate): After the game, Wilt was in the dressing room and he wasn't celebrating like the rest of us.
I said, "Wilt what's the matter?"
He said, "I never thought I'd take 60 shots in a game."
I said, "But you made 36--that's better than 50 percent."
He said, "But Al--63 shots, Al."
Then he just shook his head.

Now if this was Kobe it would've been more like: "Kobe how you feel?"
"I feel great man, I was feeling it and I'm glad I was able to grab 80points."

Wilt said he forced it after 80, don't you think Kobe forced it as well? At least Wilt can admit it.

[Axel]

is it not possible to give credit to another player without discrediting someone else? These are facts that alot of people wouldn't have known about this game. It's called a matter of interest.

Yes it is possible... however, when you keep referring to the game being a blowout, and Wilt being force fed the ball, what else are you try to achieve other than discrediting him? Is that in some way supposed to be a compliment?

If you're not trying to discredit Wilt, I don't see what you're doing. We already know Kobe did great, the second best scoring performance of all time... I don't see what else the is to prove if you're not trying to make Kobe's out to be better.

And btw, 3% shooting is not a 'big deal' that's very close... and when you take 60 shots, I would expect it to be lower (fatigue, etc).

[J@3]

Wilt said he forced it after 80, don't you think Kobe forced it as well? At least Wilt can admit it.

Kobe didn't take 20 extra shots for 19 more points.

Yes it is possible... however, when you keep referring to the game being a blowout, and Wilt being force fed the ball, what else are you try to achieve other than discrediting him? Is that in some way supposed to be a compliment?

If you're not trying to discredit Wilt, I don't see what you're doing. We already know Kobe did great, the second best scoring performance of all time... I don't see what else the is to prove if you're not trying to make Kobe's out to be better.

I see what you mean, but you were the one who said it wasn't a big deal. I was just pointing out the fact that it was, if that means comparing it to Wilt's game then fine. I didn't deliberately set out to discredit him, but I will admit that I'm less impressed by it having read this website.

[Colin]

Yes it is possible... however, when you keep referring to the game being a blowout, and Wilt being force fed the ball, what else are you try to achieve other than discrediting him? Is that in some way supposed to be a compliment?

If you're not trying to discredit Wilt, I don't see what you're doing. We already know Kobe did great, the second best scoring performance of all time... I don't see what else the is to prove if you're not trying to make Kobe's out to be better.

He's letting people know about facts they may not have known about the game.

[Axel]

It's all about efficiency... and they were both nearly as efficient. I watched Kobe's game, and he was getting tired. Had he taken 20 extra shots there is no way he would have kept 60% shooting.

[Axel]

Yes it is possible... however, when you keep referring to the game being a blowout, and Wilt being force fed the ball, what else are you try to achieve other than discrediting him? Is that in some way supposed to be a compliment?

If you're not trying to discredit Wilt, I don't see what you're doing. We already know Kobe did great, the second best scoring performance of all time... I don't see what else the is to prove if you're not trying to make Kobe's out to be better.

He's letting people know about facts they may not have known about the game.

This discussion was also in the Kobe Hater thread... so this is sort of a carry over from there..

[hipn]

Chamberlin was force fed the ball. Kobe demanded the ball.

[Colin]

It's all about efficiency... and they were both nearly as efficient. I watched Kobe's game, and he was getting tired. Had he taken 20 extra shots there is no way he would have kept 60% shooting.

But he couldn't of fit 20 shots in the last 15 seconds or whatever it was he spent on the bench.

And seeing as this in an entirely new thread that doesn't mention Kobe until you bring it up, this is not a carry-over topic.

[IronMan]

Hm, interesting, this site dispells some rumours I've heard. Just the other day actually, my friend said he heard that once Wilt hit 100, he stopped scoring because 102 or 104 didn't sound as impressive as 100. But that can't be true since it says that fans rushed him as soon as he hit 100, ending the game right there.

[dada]

Richie Guerin (Knick): they can complain about us fouling people, but Frank McGuire sent some subs into the game and they were fouling us immediately to get the ball back and give Wilt some more chances.

Nuff said.

[Axel]

I see what you mean, but you were the one who said it wasn't a big deal. I was just pointing out the fact that it was, if that means comparing it to Wilt's game then fine. I didn't deliberately set out to discredit him, but I will admit that I'm less impressed by it having read this website.

That's fine with me. I do think it was a big deal... maybe a bit over done, but still pretty important. If I did say it wasn't then I correct myself.. or admit I was wrong... whichever.

This website didn't really change my thoughts on the game... it kind of went along with what I had pictured... I knew he was 28 of 30 from the line, which is very impressive. Both Kobe and Wilt had similar games, efficiency wise.. so really the only thing that separates the two is shot number... would Kobe have been able to keep up his pace and score more than 100 had he taken 60 shots? Nobody knows, and that's as far as speculation can go.

[J@3]

The quotes section of this site is great...

"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape. All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.' -- Paul Silas

"He [Wilt] stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me off the floor with my feet dangling. It scared the hell out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the game." -- KC Jones

"Once Wilt got upset with me and dunked the ball so hard it went through the rim with such force that it broke my toe as it hit the floor."

--Johnny Kerr

"I still remember the time when one of our strongest men, Gene Conley, decided to fight Chamberlain for the ball. He grabbed it and hung on and Chamberlain just lifted him and ball right up towards the rim."

-- Bill Russell Go up For Glory, p.126.

"The first time I guarded Wilt, I stood behind him and he was so wide that I couldn't see the rest of the game. Then I saw him dunk a ball so hard that it hit the court and bounced straight up back through the rim again."

--Bob Ferry, Tall Tales (by Terry Pluto) p. 326

[Axel]

Notice that the Lakers had an 8 pt lead at half time over the Warriors... and Kobe was only 2 - 7 from the field.. but had 4 assists. I think that proves that his teammates are can produce when given the opportunity.. Granted they have since given that lead up... lol.

Still, if they keep up the team game, I think they will win this game.

/random thought

[Colin]

The quotes section of this site is great...

"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape. All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.' -- Paul Silas

"He [Wilt] stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me off the floor with my feet dangling. It scared the hell out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the game." -- KC Jones

"Once Wilt got upset with me and dunked the ball so hard it went through the rim with such force that it broke my toe as it hit the floor."

--Johnny Kerr

"I still remember the time when one of our strongest men, Gene Conley, decided to fight Chamberlain for the ball. He grabbed it and hung on and Chamberlain just lifted him and ball right up towards the rim."

-- Bill Russell Go up For Glory, p.126.

"The first time I guarded Wilt, I stood behind him and he was so wide that I couldn't see the rest of the game. Then I saw him dunk a ball so hard that it hit the court and bounced straight up back through the rim again."

--Bob Ferry, Tall Tales (by Terry Pluto) p. 326

Then there was this one time that Wilt came in and jumped from the free-throw line and flicked in a finger-roll. Then he just started running up the bleachers towards the exits, impregnating two women on the way (without touching them), and then racing down the street. My friend's co-workers half-sister's best friend's boyfriend said she saw him running and he dipped into a science lab and cured polio. Amazing night for Wilt.

But yeah, good quotes.

[Matthew]

Haha, great find. I've never really been impressed by what Wilt did becuase the other Warrior players were fouling the knicks to preserve the clock. Its almost like in a videogame, when you're down and the other team has the ball, so you pause, switch teams, cause the turnover, then switch back and make a game winner.

I wonder what the reaction would have been in kobes 62 point game if Phil Jackson sent in chumps to foul mavericks to give kobe a chance to rack up points?

[BIG GREEN]

I also have never been impressed with what wilt did. What kobe..david robinson, jordan and iverson did in recent years is way more impressive. Ofcourse the jaded legends will say different...clinging to their past glory.

[H Rock]

"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape. All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.' -- Paul Silas

[maes]

The biggest difference between the two games:

The 100 point game was representative of Wilt. It was not out of character for him, it was news but nobody in the league was that surprised because he was AVERAGING 50 and would clock in games of 80 & 90, it was a no brainer he'd get on a hot streak eventually. If a regular NBA guy averages 16, he'll eventually drop 32 one night when he gets hot. It also indicated how dominant he was out there, because he'd also drop in 27 rebounds, probably 10+ blocks although nobody knows for sure, and decent amount of steals and he could lead the league in Assists if he wanted to. That 100 just represents how completely Wilt destroyed the league.

What Kobe did was beyond his normal game, he averaged 27 last season and 24 the season before. Last year Bryant got ONE All-NBA 1st team vote, compared to Shaq's 122 and Nash's 118 (he squeaked in on the All-NBA 3rd team, narrowly beating out Vince Carter). What Kobe did was have a moment where he played way beyond his normal abilities. And it was focused on scoring, Kobe didn't get 25 rebounds like Wilt.


Which is more impressive is subjective. Wilt is impressive because of his total dominance of the league, that 100 was inevitable. Kobe is impressive because this was something nobody would thought Kobe could do, yet he did it anyway.

They're both amazing from very different viewpoints.

[Ruff Ryder]

The quotes section of this site is great...

"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape. All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.' -- Paul Silas

"He [Wilt] stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me off the floor with my feet dangling. It scared the hell out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the game." -- KC Jones

"Once Wilt got upset with me and dunked the ball so hard it went through the rim with such force that it broke my toe as it hit the floor."

--Johnny Kerr

"I still remember the time when one of our strongest men, Gene Conley, decided to fight Chamberlain for the ball. He grabbed it and hung on and Chamberlain just lifted him and ball right up towards the rim."

-- Bill Russell Go up For Glory, p.126.

"The first time I guarded Wilt, I stood behind him and he was so wide that I couldn't see the rest of the game. Then I saw him dunk a ball so hard that it hit the court and bounced straight up back through the rim again."

--Bob Ferry, Tall Tales (by Terry Pluto) p. 326

Then there was this one time that Wilt came in and jumped from the free-throw line and flicked in a finger-roll. Then he just started running up the bleachers towards the exits, impregnating two women on the way (without touching them), and then racing down the street. My friend's co-workers half-sister's best friend's boyfriend said she saw him running and he dipped into a science lab and cured polio. Amazing night for Wilt.

But yeah, good quotes.

Lol, these sound like those random facts about Vin Diesel.