Why Tracy McGrady's better than Kobe

[#12]

LMAO

kobe must of been reading these forums

[beau_boy04]

Besides being statistically superior over his career... (if you want to argue this look at the 40,000 different threads about it in the interweb and consult http://www.basketball-reference.com/labs/apbr.html)

Today, after a 41 point performance against the Pistons, he passed up a potential game-winning shot to Luther Head who was wide open and had just hit a 3 to cut a 4 pt lead to 1. Head, unfortunately missed the 3 pointer and the Rockets lost 99-97. Tracy McGrady proceeded to go to the rookie, embraced him, and told him that "It's okay" and went to the locker room smiling and encouraging Head. What would Kobe do?

If you take this year stats, then Kobe's career stats are superior than T-Mac.

[J@3]

What would Kobe do?

The same thing any good leader would. Take the shot himself, not put the responsibility on a rookie and attempt to mend his crushed confidence with "it's ok".

[Jing]

i hate it when u try to be a team player and it backfired

[TRUball]

What would Kobe do?

The same thing any good leader would. Take the shot himself, not put the responsibility on a rookie and attempt to mend his crushed confidence with "it's ok".

Completely agree.

[air gordon]

and a good leader would have trust in his teammates to hit the open shot. took that Jordan guy some time to figure that out

I don't think this situation is similar to Lebron James, who earlier this week in the closing seconds passed to a wide open, out of all people, Sasha Pavlovic at the 3pt line

Luther Head has hit a few game tying/big shots in the 4th quarter.

To answer your question- he'd bitch out the player is my guess

[Matt]

I don't see how T-Mac had a choice but not to pass. He was dbl teamed, and off balance, no way he was gonna get a clean look, and Head was in the corner and he's knocked down big shots before. It's not like T-Mac was passing to Mutombo.

[J@3]

Kobe's hit game winning shots while being double teamed and off balance... the Rockets lost, that's all that matters when it comes down to it.

[Colin]

It's not like T-Mac was passing to Mutombo.

I was going to reply to Jae's post. But Jae deleted it...
edit: Then he re-posted. So yes, the Rockets lost this time. But in the future when T-Mac is in trouble again (like tonight's situation) other teammates will have more confidence and want the shot more.

T-Mac made the right choice in the situation and then when he was talking to Luther after he looked very sincere. It wasn't a "Better luck next time...but you should have made the shot" kind of look on his face.

And yeah KevC, impeccable timing with this topic.

[J@3]

Regardless of any of this, how on Earth does this make him better than Kobe? T-Mac's a career loser.

edit: Then he re-posted. So yes, the Rockets lost this time. But in the future when T-Mac is in trouble again (like tonight's situation) other teammates will have more confidence and want the shot more.

How does that work? Because T-Mac passed it off in one game?

[air gordon]

k while we're talking about that stuff, all these heroics and the Lakers are still a borderline playoff team while the rest of the team will remain unreliable/inexperienced in the closing seconds of games

im tired of the tmac vs bryant arguments.. so i'll mention that Lebron James is 2 for 15 in clutch shot situations, meanwhile his team is 4th in the East

[dada]

So Kobe should pass off to Sasha, Kwame, Smush, Lamar "I'm so high" Odom....

doesnt sound like very good options.

[J@3]

k while we're talking about that stuff, all these heroics and the Lakers are still a borderline playoff team while the rest of the team will remain unreliable/inexperienced in the closing seconds of games

That's alright, I'd rather that than being in the situation McGrady and the Rockets are in.

For those who dispute the "T-Mac is a career loser" comment, his career win/loss is 298/364

[Colin]

edit: Then he re-posted. So yes, the Rockets lost this time. But in the future when T-Mac is in trouble again (like tonight's situation) other teammates will have more confidence and want the shot more.

How does that work? Because T-Mac passed it off in one game?

How doesn't it work? You're sitting wide-open for a game-winner and your teammate chooses to hoist up a shot while being double-teamed. He decided to take a very challenging shot as opposed to givign you a fairly easy one. How would you feel?

On the other hand, your teammate sees you have a good opportunity to win the game and he gives it to you. Even though you miss he supports you and (from all accounts) would pass to you again given the chance. Now wouldn't you feel a lot better after that.

[dada]

so i'll mention that Lebron James is 2 for 15 in clutch shot situations, meanwhile his team is 4th in the East

They have been there before in seasons past and where did they end up? I wouldnt be giving them any praise if I were you.


btw Chicago is sitting pretty out there in the East arent they?

[J@3]

edit: Then he re-posted. So yes, the Rockets lost this time. But in the future when T-Mac is in trouble again (like tonight's situation) other teammates will have more confidence and want the shot more.

How does that work? Because T-Mac passed it off in one game?

How doesn't it work? You're sitting wide-open for a game-winner and your teammate chooses to hoist up a shot while being double-teamed. He decided to take a very challenging shot as opposed to givign you a fairly easy one. How would you feel?

On the other hand, your teammate sees you have a good opportunity to win the game and he gives it to you. Even though you miss he supports you and (from all accounts) would pass to you again given the chance. Now wouldn't you feel a lot better after that.

But it's one game, out of 82. If that teammate (since you're alluding to Kobe) happens to nail that double-teamed shot (which he does, more often than not) I'd feel fine about it.

[John WB]

81 points say this topic is over.

It's not about one game, cause if it was, then what are you going to say tomorrow when say T-Mac scores 35 and Bryant scores 30?

What would Kobe do?

The same thing any good leader would. Take the shot himself, not put the responsibility on a rookie and attempt to mend his crushed confidence with "it's ok".

Oh come on.. That's nitpicking. At least he showed enough confidence in a teammate to pass it.

But I disagree with this whole topic. Kobe's let Odom take the last shot in games a couple times and Lamar's failed.

But still, Kobe's going to have to be a better team player. Lamar may have failed, but that doesn't mean he always will and his teammates will, especially if they create better shots through moving the ball..The times Lamar's been giving the last shot it's not always been in rhyhm and it's been when he's been asked to create.

I don't see how T-Mac had a choice but not to pass. He was dbl teamed, and off balance, no way he was gonna get a clean look, and Head was in the corner and he's knocked down big shots before. It's not like T-Mac was passing to Mutombo.

Exactly. In most cases, and I've seen a few, Kobe has forced up the tough 3. That's asking too much of him and he and the Lakers shouldn't have to settle for those.

Also, it was a good move by T-Mac because Head's hit big shots before. (At least one. I saw it on NBA on TNT.)

No, actually read it and comprehend it before you say anything. His reaction towards the rookie's miss and his encouragement was what really won my respect.

I read it, and I understand it. I agree with you in the fact that T-Mac is a better team player. Kobe might be dominating games, but really are the other players on the Lakers going to develop in clutch situations? Are they really benefitting from just handing Kobe the ball and watching? (which is really what i saw in tonights game)

I don't think they are, and when Kobe either a.) gets injured, or b.) has an off night, they will struggle horribly.. because right now they all get open shots and still struggle to perform at all.

I think Kobe is the better player, but in the long run, I think better team play will win out.

I think so too.

Kobe's going to start having to get his teammates more involved because going off like he did tonight won't work in the Playoffs. He'll be forced to involve his teammates and because they're not used to it, they won't be ready and the Lakers'll end up losing.

Say they make the Playoffs, even if Kobe is able to go off like he did tonight, it'll buy them what? one win?

[air gordon]

interesting...

I'm not sure which situation I'd want to be in for the next few years. Right now- I'd have to say the Lakers, almost by default since Houston has had so many injuries

Looking at roster and salary cap in the next few seasons...

Outside of Bryant and I guess Bynum & Mihm, there isn't much of a core to build around, though I wouldn't exaclty call those 2 big guys "core" players. Walton is ok since he's an ideal triangle player. As of now, Bryant and Odom do not mesh well. And there's a lot of money tied to Bryant, Brown, Grant (expiring next year), and Kwame Brown. My guess is that they'll finish with a record good enough to contend for a playoff spot, resulting in a 15-20 draft pick. They'll be over the cap so their best bet for landing an impact player will be the MLE this offseason

As for Houston, there's TMac and Yao to build around. Howard and Swift bascially have a Kwame Brown-like impact on the payroll but are more "productive" on the court. Head so far looks like a rotation player and I guess Alston since he's come back from injury. But there's some garbage on the roster too. Some of it expiring this year and some hanging around for another year or 2. Barring some amazing comeback and Yao getting a mean streak, Houston will probably not recover from all the injuries. They'll have a high lottery pick, some cap room, and the MLE to land an impact player in the offseason

Anywho I'm sure there's more to mention but I'm not really a big fan of either team to further induldge. I"ll you guys decide which team situation you'd want to be in

btw Chicago is sitting pretty out there in the East arent they?

and exactly who is saying they were supposed to be world beaters in the first place? LOL thanks for the update anyway. OMG someone made a negative comment about my favorite team, now i'm going to have to do the same to that guys fav team!!!!!

[magius]

personal preference is tmac, but kobe is obviously superior over a career.

[kinokong]

me too... i wish the rockets were healthy... they're sporting a team similar to the indiana situation last year.... wonder who next years will be...

[BOSS]

Seems like I chose the worst possible day to make this topic lol.

Word !

I also wish the Rockets were healthy. They were my team to watch this year.

[Jowe]

Tmac is a choker, and can't handle pressure.. and when the going gets tough.. he quits.

[8baller8]

t-mac would never be better than kobe.when t-mac get 50 points then talk cause 50 aint shit for kobe.kobe going out there and droped 81 FUCKIN POINTS!!!!!!!!

[Jing]

you need to chill out and get the fuck out if here. cause you are posting this everywhere and really fuckin annoying

[Joe']

Anyone ban this dude damn!! He's a fucking 10 year-old white kid trying to act like a fucking gangster, it's annoying!