The Matrix Reloaded *warning spoilers*

Well, so I just watched this movie today. Not bad, but my expectations were higher (look what happens when something is hyped), and I wasn't too fond of the group orgies in Zion. Anyways, still good, but the first one was definitely better in my opinion.
On a side note, anybody want to explain to me what the heck was going on near the end when Neo had to choose between the two doors after meeting the Architect? After that part of the movie I was completely lost.
Who was the person on the other table right at the end? (to me it looked like Agent Smith with a beard)
Was Zion destroyed...yet?
If Neo picked the other door (not leading to Trinity) why would he have to start Zion all over again with another 23 ppl?
How could there have been 5 predecessors of Neo?

Dammit I'm so slow..somebody help me out!

Dude you just beat me to it, I was gonna make a thread about this movie but it was going to be titled "The Matrix: Refund"...
It was CRAP and even though I saw it pretty late in the night, it's still pretty bad that I was fighting to stay awake due to the level of CRAP. The fighting scenes were... CRAP... who wants to see a fight were nobody punches eachother, there's no blood, just really fast fake punches been thrown and blocked. YAY! Keanu Reeves is a "dude", and should only star in movies where he's a) a surfer, or b) a butthead.
In the scene where he fights the aussie dude who there are like a million copies of, I'm looking at my watch thinking "and? you beat them up with fake ass punches, they come back, and you beat them again, and they keep getting up and fighting. Not a scratch on anyone. What's your damn point". Maybe I missed the point somwhere? Do I sound like Dert yet or do I need to keep going? Maybe I should add a bit about Keanu selling oranges?
I didn't see the first part of this movie by the way, but don't all be telling me that I didn't understand it, because even if I did, it still would have been CRAP.

My goodness I just hope "2 Fast 2 Furious" isn't too much worse than the first, and all will be good


























CRAP IS WHAT THIS MOVIE WAS

I loved it. The fighting neo does is the illest part. The orgy was useless...they could have cut about 15 mins running time by leaving that mess out.

Stevan: haha it wasn't THAT bad..but i agree, the fight scene with the 1000 Smiths or whatever was kinda boring after a while. Especially how dumb it was that he just flew away afterwards..err..what took him so long to do that??

I thought the corniest part of the movie was when he first started to fly and he like poses in mid-air..Can you say RIPOFF of superman!hahaa

Oh and Morpheus' speech in Zion was completely stupid and corny. The whole time I was thinkin: "OH god, are these words actually coming out of his mouth???????"

The ending sucked, and I still don't know what that scene with the old lady was about (the one where he's talking to her about god knows what on that park bench). Can't remember her name.

Parts of the movie were like a sopa opera... "I'm never letting go Neo"... what is this the Titanic?

...and I agree with Yohance, the orgy was poorly executed

I don't mean to offend those who enjoyed the movie though

Well I didn't read the previous posts because I might wanna go to the cinema and watch the movie without having spoilers.

I have some things about the Matrix. First I should say that the first one was a great movie, from an artistical and action point of view.

However, I don't think this is what a movie is all about. The idea behind the Matrix, while an original idea, is just too flawed. Just look at the trailer for Reloaded: Why does Neo have to fight all those clones, when he could just stop them like bullets? Why does he learn martial arts to fight instead of turning himself into a cannon or something and just kill everyone he wants? And furthermore, what's wrong with being used as a battery in some life you don't know anything about when you dream your "normal" life? You don't notice the difference anyway, so why would you want to change it, especially if the life where your real body is sucks and that world is pretty much dead?
Well.. I guess at least it's entertainment

I didn't watch the movie, but Monica Belushi rocks... See her first name, heh... (Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)

And furthermore, what's wrong with being used as a battery in some life you don't know anything about when you dream your "normal" life? You don't notice the difference anyway, so why would you want to change it, especially if the life where your real body is sucks and that world is pretty much dead?

Well, I don't know. I don't think I'd want to be an unwilling slave regardless whether or not I know about it. I guess you'd agree with what the traiter in the first matrix said when he betrayed Morpheus in return for being rich in his "matrix life": "Ignorance is Bliss......"

Yes indeed, I agree with him

When you're happy in your "matrix-life", what's the big deal? The other world sucks anyway, why would you want to go there? Be glad they at least gave you a "matrix-life"

Yes indeed, I agree with him

When you're happy in your "matrix-life", what's the big deal? The other world sucks anyway, why would you want to go there? Be glad they at least gave you a "matrix-life"

haha i guess it wouldn't be much of a movie then eh?

Anyways, I wonder how this trilogy will end. I heard many theories of a matrix within a matrix and such. I doubt they would go with such a "cop-out" strategy to explain everything though. Can't wait until Revolutions!

Anyways, I wonder how this trilogy will end. I heard many theories of a matrix within a matrix and such. I doubt they would go with such a "cop-out" strategy to explain everything though. Can't wait until Revolutions!

Dude, why not go for the 'money-well-spent' strategy, and take a girl to a girlie-flick type movie. You won't really have to watch the movie, since you'll be busy with another activity, and the substitute "activity" will be 1 million times better than any Matrix movie guaranteed...

Anyways, I wonder how this trilogy will end. I heard many theories of a matrix within a matrix and such. I doubt they would go with such a "cop-out" strategy to explain everything though. Can't wait until Revolutions!

Dude, why not go for the 'money-well-spent' strategy, and take a girl to a girlie-flick type movie. You won't really have to watch the movie, since you'll be busy with another activity, and the substitute "activity" will be 1 million times better than any Matrix movie guaranteed...

nah..watched too many chick flicks with my gf before.
not worth it...especially spending $13.50 CAD on a stupid movie.
Besides, I didn't think the Matrix was THAT bad..so I wouldn't mind part III.

I actually enjoyed this one more than the first one - but then again, I didn't really like the first one, so that's not really saying much. In a way, the fight scenes were good - it doesn't take one punch for the bad guys to be down and out - but they did get awfully repetitive, and the fight scene in the courtyard with all the Agent Smiths went on a little too long. And like Bishi, I was wondering during that scene "Why doesn't he just fly away?"

Who was the person on the other table right at the end? (to me it looked like Agent Smith with a beard)

Wasn't that the guy who was sneaking up on Neo as they were leaving, about to stab him with a knife?

On a side note, anybody want to explain to me what the heck was going on near the end when Neo had to choose between the two doors after meeting the Architect? After that part of the movie I was completely lost

Basically it was about Neo choosing to save everyone's lives or follow his emotions and save Trinity. The theme of choice, choice being an illusion, and all that. Apart from that, it was all quickly spoken jargon meant to disorientate the audience and make us wonder what the Architect is talking about. Safe to say, it worked.

yeh that was agent smith, remember at the start there was 2 guys waiting on the phone to ring, and the first guy went through, and as the phone started to ring again for the next guy, agent smith appears and kills that guy and takes the phone, and therefore is transported to zion

Wasn't that the guy who was sneaking up on Neo as they were leaving, about to stab him with a knife?

hmm..yeah..but I think that the knife wielding maniac was Agent Smith that got teleported from the matrix into the "real world." I Could be wrong though.

Basically it was about Neo choosing to save everyone's lives or follow his emotions and save Trinity. The theme of choice, choice being an illusion, and all that. Apart from that, it was all quickly spoken jargon meant to disorientate the audience and make us wonder what the Architect is talking about. Safe to say, it worked.

haha definitely. Although, I think it's quite stupid that no matter which door he chooses it's a lose-lose situation for him. So why even bother letting him choose?

yeh that was agent smith, remember at the start there was 2 guys waiting on the phone to ring, and the first guy went through, and as the phone started to ring again for the next guy, agent smith appears and kills that guy and takes the phone, and therefore is transported to zion

Alright cool, that's what I was thinking too.

Anybody care to speculate how Neo was able to Zap those incoming Sentinels in the real world?

Well.. I saw Reloaded yesterday so now I can join in on the discussions about the movie itself

hmm..yeah..but I think that the knife wielding maniac was Agent Smith that got teleported from the matrix into the "real world." I Could be wrong though.

He didn't look like Smith to me, but I it would make some sense. Hmm.. something in the Matrix that would make sense... oh well. I didn't recognise him, but good call.

haha definitely. Although, I think it's quite stupid that no matter which door he chooses it's a lose-lose situation for him. So why even bother letting him choose?

Well, I guess it was a bit difficult to grasp, but the idea was that it wasn't a choice. "He had already made the choice, but he had to understand the choice."
Neo appearantly was some sort of self-reset program in the system. From what I understand, "the chosen one" was made by the system itself to "delete" the persons that didn't accept the system every few hundred (or thousand) years. The thing is, he was the first that was actually in love with someone, and I think the Architect found the situation entertaining

Anybody care to speculate how Neo was able to Zap those incoming Sentinels in the real world?

He is The One?

He is The One

yo, how much of a ripoff was that movie 'The One' staring jet li i think it was, the matrix people should sue the people who made that movie

hmm..yeah..but I think that the knife wielding maniac was Agent Smith that got teleported from the matrix into the "real world." I Could be wrong though.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't, because he was in another ship's crew, and Neo recognised him (apparently as a citizen of Zion). His face was gone fairly quickly though, replaced by the "To be concluded" slide, so I guess it could be anybody - maybe even a new character for the third movie who just had a quick cameo in that scene.

That guy in the last shot (I think I caught the name - Bane), that's agent Smith in that guy's body. Why would he be the only survivor, if the machines didn't leave him on purpose?

The same guy at the beginning of the movie, Smith duplicated himself into that guy, and went back through the phone, and T presume, into Bane's brain, so he's finally out of the Matrix (he wanted to get out in the first one, he said so when he was "hacking" Morpheus' brain)

The burly brawl... the fight scene with 100 agent Smiths was amazing, not at all too long, I personally enjoyed every second of it, one of the high-points of the movie, true eyecandy. The Zion stuff was a bit tedious though, but watchable. The movie starts to get going only after the Oracle makes contact... oh, and the freeway chase... and the final colision between the 2 trucks... stunning

Now, what I don't get is that Neo is the annomaly, another program (?), something that reccurs apparently, and history keeps repeating itself. Architect, from what I caught (his monologue was straight out of a Theasaurus dictionary), said that Zion had been already destroyed 5 times... so machines built it? Machines need people on the outside... or, the most apparent thing, they're all inside another Matrix? Thats the only plausible explanation I can think of when Neo stopped the machines like he does bullets...

The way everything had been pre-told, how the Keymaker was created to bring Neo to the architect... the fate and stuff... I bet the "surprise" twist in Revolutions will be the Matrix within the Matrix... or not... who knows.

Ok, I didn't want to read any reviews before the movie came out... so now I went to AintItCoolNews.com, and in one of the talkbacks, as usually how those movie geeks are, some of them probably got the entire point of it (I wouldn't be surprised if they saw it 20 times already)... I can say is I was pretty close too... but I guess we'll only be certain after the third movie...

ALMOST NO ONE "got" the true meaning of what really happened at the end of Reloaded! Read the following (MAJOR SPOILERS):

Comment: At the end of Reloaded, Neo and his pals are running away on foot from a fleet of Sentinels, in the sewer system of the real world. But then, Neo realizes "something", and simply STOPS the Sentinels with a gesture of his hand, as he would stop bullets in the Matrix. Most people immediately thought "So, Neo has powers in the real world as well, now?". But NO! This means that the "real world" DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST! That it is nothing more than an extension of the Matrix! If properly understood, this final moment validates absolutely EVERYTHING that was mentionned thoughout the film. It explains how Agent Smith was able to dowload a copy of his program into a human being in the "real world", it explains why the Merovingian seems to be the first "one", even though he is nothing more than a sentiant program. It explains why it is mentionned that the City of Zion and the human resistance has been created and destroyed five times already BY THE MATRIX, it also explains why it is suggested that NEO HIMSELF is in reality a mere computer generated simulation. So, this is the truth: In the beginning, the Matrix knew that a few human beings would eventually realize that they were living in a virtual fantasy, and that these individuals would attempt to escape, to wake up from this dream world. So the machines created ZION, a virtual recreation of the real world, that these individuals could "awaken" into. The humans were completely fooled by the illusion of Zion, of the "real world", but the machines realized that they would need to create a belief system enabling them to control the minds of these people. Enter the Oracle, an artificial intelligence which would convince the human resistance that a messiah was coming by telling them of the prophecy of The One. And then they created The One, a sentiant program convinced that he was a human being, that he was able to manipulate the Matrix at will. His apparent "physical body" in the "real world" would eliminate any doubts that he was a mere illusion, a fabrication of the Matrix. And so, five different Ones unknowingly lead five different human resistances to their own inevitable downfall. The children of Zion could have liberated every single human mind from the Matrix, it would not have mattered, for the real world was in actuality nothing more than another Matrix. This mind-blowing stuff probably will be far above and beyond most people's heads, just as it was over the heads of practically every character in this movie. At the end, Morpheus loses his faith. No shit, if you found out that a hundred years of war had been entirely futile, and that the Messiah was merely another program being manipulated by the Matrix, wouldn't you lose your faith as well. And since the cycle of creation and destruction of both Zion and the Matrix is repeated every hundred years, and this is the sixth and final time, then in the REAL real world, its not the year 2199, but more like the early 28th century. - I WANT YOU, but not in that way.

Subject: Uncle Sam, I sure hope you're wrong....

Comment: BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY FUCKING STUPID! This notion has floating around a lot lately, perhaps due to this ending. If this is true, it will be the worst betrayal of film fans in the history of cinema. The original Matrix was cool, interesting and different. If it follows the "it was all a dream" bullshit cop out, then I will officially hate these sequels. The real world can't be another matrix because if it is, then nothing means a goddamn fucking thing. It's all just bullshit, and the entire world would have been LIED TO! Nothing learned, nothing gained, no fucking ANYTHING! No humanity, no moral, no lesson nothing real at all. Just a big flashily wrapped fucking video game foisted en masse to a glossy-eyed public that just want s to se stuff get blow'd up. Naw, fuck that! That would tantamount to Luke Skywalker waking up and saying "Whew, what a bad dream. And you were there Uncle Owen, and you too Aunt Beru! And farmer Kenobi was a wizard master that taught me to fight with a laser sword!" WOW, wouldn't that have been all deep and introspective? Of course you could just claim that it was "over my head" or that I "just didn't get it" as if that was this whole mind-blowing ending that would turn my whole understanding of life on it's fucking ear.

From: Celicaster
Subject: Uncle Sam is close but not quite right.

Comment: I normally wouldn't post on this mess of flames, but I thought I'd make a contribution. SPOILERS Uncle Sam, I think you're mostly right. However, the story is not as hopeless and detached as you make it seem. Yes, the real world as we see it at the end of Reloaded is part of the Matrix. There are two possibilities. 1) When Morpheus left the Matrix through the door just before Neo went to meet the Architect, he actually entered a fake real world simulation program. However, I think that's unlikely. It's far more likely that: 2) Neo realized when he stopped the sentinels the same thing that he realized that gave him in the first movie. He realized that there is no spoon. Or in this case, there were no sentinels. The real world is indeed part of the Matrix. However, Neo has, through human choice (that unpredictable factor that has perplexed the machines so much), broken the cycle. He has made the realization that the real world does not exist and has learned to bend the rules there. This does mean, however, that there is a REAL real world. The "real world" as we see it, that includes Zion, was created to account for the 1% of human minds that rejecting the Matrix. It satisfied their desire for something more. However, they were still deceived. Neo will free their minds, this time with no need for a false prophecy, bring down the system, and reveal the REAL world, not the fake simulated one, as he frees mankind at the end of Revolutions

valid points...

Sorry for adding so many other people's comments, and not my own, but it just made a lot of sense to me, and I thought why not share it... Cleared up a lot of stuff for me, I know I'm gonna watch it again...

He didn't look like Smith to me, but I it would make some sense. Hmm.. something in the Matrix that would make sense... oh well. I didn't recognise him, but good call.

really?..damn i must be really cross-eyed or something..because for some reason he TOTALLY looked like Agent Smith to me, except with a clumsy moustache on his face.

Anybody care to speculate how Neo was able to Zap those incoming Sentinels in the real world?

He is The One?

hmm...but Neo is only be able to control things within the Matrix, not anything outside of it.

yo, how much of a ripoff was that movie 'The One' staring jet li i think it was, the matrix people should sue the people who made that movie

My friends and I always laugh about that movie. Did you know that Jet Li was SUPPOZED to be casted into the Matrix sequels, but he turned down the offer because he said something to the effect that: "the Matrix sequels will be good regardless if he's in it or not, so why not make another "Matrix-like" movie so fans can get more good movies?!"
My response to that is: err..maybe because the Matrix would actually be GOOD.

9mm: Interesting stuff. However, I don't believe the first guy that you posted is right. There's no way the creators of the Matrix movies (the Wachowski brothers) would stoop that low to find a solution to the whole movie. I think I read one time (although I don't have the link for it) that they would NOT do something like a "matrix within a matrix" to form a lousy cop-out for the movie. However, I do think the 3rd person in your post makes the most sense while not completely going against the total "cop-out" theory.

Speaking of the Keymaker, all i can say is HAHAHAH. I couldn't stop laughing at him. I'm Asian, and I can honestly say that that guy is as F.O.B. as you can get. If I didn't know better, it seemed like they just pulled some dude off the streets of Chinatown and stuck him in the movie. (no racism intended at all mind you, just an observation.)

saw the shite today...

shitiest movie i've seen in a while

so much idiotic bullshit...

pointless action scenes ment for the average american idiot to enjoy....

the american directors have overdone themselves with this movie....being bloody stupid and boring...

I just heard that the director broke up with his wife to run off with his bondage mistress.

ohh ya...and talking about the effects...i'm gonna quote a convo i just had with a friend of mine...

friend says:
i didnt like it
friend says:
but
friend says:the EFFECTS
Brave Sir Rubin (whenever i'll shoot myself, i'll borrow the gun from you, promise...still need a drink...bad) says:bahhh....effects
friend says:were absolutely amazing
Brave Sir Rubin (whenever i'll shoot myself, i'll borrow the gun from you, promise...still need a drink...bad) says:i went to see this movie searching for a smart idea, a meaning...not boring action
Brave Sir Rubin (whenever i'll shoot myself, i'll borrow the gun from you, promise...still need a drink...bad) says:the effects made me sleepy

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If you're looking for smart ideas or meaning... why go to see a movie? That's what books are for. And I'm not talking about sotrytelling books in this case