Wade or kobe?

[Its_asdf]

#1 how is it stupid, its true

Last time I checked, the charges were dropped. Lay off the poor guy, he's had enough of these stupid accusations.

#2 i wouldnt need to use that statment, wade is better

It doesn't change the fact that you used such a low-brow comment to try and belittle Kobe when in fact it has nothing to do with what they do on on the court (as already stated by Emiliano).

#3 i was just messin around anyways

I raped your mom because I pity your stupidity so I tried to make her concieve an actually half-intelligent human being. Oh wait, that was a joke. Nevermind.

[Riot]

lol r u serious?

#1 how is it stupid, its true
#2 i wouldnt need to use that statment, wade is better
#3 i was just messin around anyways

I'm sending you a vagina in the mail, it's your mom's...I cut it off her dead carcus.

Die.

[ShAuN]

asdf, accually u didnt rape my mom, kobe did rape a girl so fuck off faggot


riot, ur gay just leave it at that ur a looser faggot.

[Riot]

asdf, accually u didnt rape my mom, kobe did rape a girl so fuck off faggot


riot, ur gay just leave it at that ur a looser faggot.

Did Kobe really rape her? Or did she say that so she could get money?

Did you hear her story? All 10 of them? Her story changed every other week. Kobe's lawyers were picking her apart. No wonder she dropped the charges, she would have been owned in trial. Kobe is innocent.

As for me being gay and being a "looser faggot", that's great. Who told you that one? Is that the new comeback going around elementary school these days?

[ShAuN]

LMFAO. Ur defiantley gay. And nah, im in highschool

[Its_asdf]

asdf, accually u didnt rape my mom, kobe did rape a girl so fuck off faggot

Wow, so I didn't actually rape your mom? You must be like fucking Eintstein to figure that out.

It's also sad that you have to resort to calling people such petty names because that seems like the only thing that you can do.

[Riot]

LMFAO. Ur defiantley gay. And nah, im in highschool

Yeah, I'm "defiantley" gay...

[air gordon]

ok kids. please stay on topic or i'll have to lock this most thought provoking thread

How do you know Wade is more athletic?
How is he a better team leader?
I still think Kobe is a better shooter.
Wade doesn't automatically win. The Heat as a team win games.
You can't judge someone on the court by whatever happened off the court.

how do you know kobe is more athletic?
how do you know kobe is a better team leader?
kobe is a better shooter based on what?
will my next statement end in a question?

[Bang]

Kobe might be a better 3 point shooter, but his FG% is horrendous. Compare it to Dwyane Wade's and you'll see that Dwyane Wade has a much higher FG%.
Wade: 44%
Kobe: 42%
(And this season is Wade's lowest...his career FG% is 47%! Kobe's is 45%!)

Dwyane Wade currently has more rebounds, steals, rebounds and blocks per game. Also Kobe is in a shittier team so it's not like Kobe could rack em up if he could. This season you can't even use the "He has Shaq excuse either!"

Thus we can say that so far in THIS SEASON, Dwyane Wade is playing better. And if all these stats aren't proof enough...then you are just kidding yourself.

[Amphatoast]

WADE in a minute. Wade is more athletic, averages 26/7/7 as of right now, better team leader. Shoots the ball better, and his bball IQ is much higher.

And plus, Wade automatically wins, Kobe was the one who raped someone

1. How do you know Wade is more athletic?
2. How is he a better team leader?
3. I still think Kobe is a better shooter.
4. Wade doesn't automatically win. The Heat as a team win games.
You can't judge someone on the court by whatever happened off the court.

1. Well maybe Kobe is more athletic but Wade is still no stiff and far from that..

2. In his rookie year he lead the Miami Heat to the playoffs and helped them reach the 2nd round. He also passes the ball and gets his teammates involve and shoots high percentage shots.

3. Kobe a better shooter? Maybe overall since it includes 3pointers, but in terms of shot selection, Wade is better and he makes most of them. High shooting percentage+ over 5assist a game is better than Low shooting percentage+ less than 5 assist a game.

4. Kobe wins automatically? Wade is a good clutch player if that's what you talking about. He is still young, remember.

Wade can score, he can pass, he can grab rebounds, he gets teammates involved ( see when it was him+odom)
Kobe can score, he doesn't pass much, he can grab rebounds, he doesn't get teammates involved ( see why him+odom is not working well)

[Bang]

Now thinking about it, how well Wade played with Odom, as Amphatoast mentioned, is a good indicator of how good of a team player Wade is.
The Heat were not such a great team yet they made it quite far into the playoffs.
Lamar Odom, Dwyane Wade, Caron Butler? Not that much different from the Kobe, Odom, Butler trio Lakers had last year. Statistically the Kobe, Odom Butler trio was probably stronger too! The West might have been a bit stronger last year, but not by much, and the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs! What does that tell you? Kobe is individually an amazing player, but he still sucks as a teammate and sadly for Kobe, as it was the case for Wilt, BASKETBALL IS A TEAM GAME!

[Blazers]

Both are excellent players, but one is in his prime and other one is not yet in his prime. in 5 years, its definitely wade, but for now i think they are almost even.

[J@3]

Now thinking about it, how well Wade played with Odom, as Amphatoast mentioned, is a good indicator of how good of a team player Wade is.

Well no, it's a poor indicator of how good a team player someone is. For starters the teams play an entirely different offensive game, it's not like Odom's just doing the same things he did in Miami but wearing a yellow jersey. I don't think anyone can blame Odom's lack of anything on Kobe Bryant.

[Jugs]

how can kobe's prime be the same as Wade's pre-prime.

I still think Kobe is the better player CURRENTLY and will be for the next 2-3 years and then SHAQ will retire (and hopefully J-will and Fatione will leave the team) and Wade can become the pwn

[Emiliano]

How do you know Wade is more athletic?
How is he a better team leader?
I still think Kobe is a better shooter.
Wade doesn't automatically win. The Heat as a team win games.
You can't judge someone on the court by whatever happened off the court.

how do you know kobe is more athletic?
how do you know kobe is a better team leader?
kobe is a better shooter based on what?
will my next statement end in a question?

I'm not saying Kobe is more athletic than Wade. I'm just saying that you can't compare their athleticism because they are both in great shape.
Again, I didn't say Kobe was a better leader. I'm just trying to get him to prove what he posts.

[air gordon]

prove why you think bryant is a better shooter

[Bang]

Now thinking about it, how well Wade played with Odom, as Amphatoast mentioned, is a good indicator of how good of a team player Wade is.

Well no, it's a poor indicator of how good a team player someone is. For starters the teams play an entirely different offensive game, it's not like Odom's just doing the same things he did in Miami but wearing a yellow jersey. I don't think anyone can blame Odom's lack of anything on Kobe Bryant.

Still explain to me how a team of not totally developed Wade, Odom and Butler + others can be better than Kobe, Odom, Butler, Atkins whatever?
Talent-wise, the Lakers should be a much better team no? It's not like Odom is doing TERRIBLE so if Kobe is so much better, then why didn't that team win many games? I still think Kobe takes too many shots and has a bad FG%, which makes him a bad team player.
Furthermore, the great ones are supposed to make others better. I doubt anyone really believes that Kobe makes anyone better.

[Emiliano]

That's my opinion. Unlike athleticism because that doesn't determine whose the better player.

[air gordon]

That's my opinion. Unlike athleticism because that doesn't determine whose the better player.

so prove it lol. you ask shaun to prove his points, you should do the same

so why do you think bryant is a better shooter?

[Emiliano]

Kobe can shoot from long range as well as from anywhere on the court, Wade can't. Period.

[air gordon]

the argument isn't who can make shots from a further distance

[Emiliano]

the argument was that you wanted me to prove why i think he is a better shooter. I gave you my opionion with proof to support it.

[J@3]

Now thinking about it, how well Wade played with Odom, as Amphatoast mentioned, is a good indicator of how good of a team player Wade is.

Well no, it's a poor indicator of how good a team player someone is. For starters the teams play an entirely different offensive game, it's not like Odom's just doing the same things he did in Miami but wearing a yellow jersey. I don't think anyone can blame Odom's lack of anything on Kobe Bryant.

I still think Kobe takes too many shots and has a bad FG%, which makes him a bad team player.
Furthermore, the great ones are supposed to make others better. I doubt anyone really believes that Kobe makes anyone better.

Butler had his best ever season with Bryant, why didn't he play like that with Wade? If you want to look at it this way, here's some comparisons...

Caron Butler's last non-Kobe season:
9.2ppg, .380%, 4.8rpg, 1.9apg, 9.27 shot attempts per game, 29.9mpg

Caron Butler's last season with Kobe:
15.5ppg, .445%, 5.8rpg, 1.9apg, 12.8 shot attempts per game, 35.7mpg

With Kobe: +4.3ppg, +.165%, +1rpg, +3.33sapg

You don't get that sort of improvement from a role player just by playing an extra 5 minutes per game.

Chucky Atkins last non-Kobe season:
8.4ppg, .397%, 1.5apg, 3.5apg, 7.5 shot attempts per game, 24.1mpg

Chucky Atkins last season with Kobe:
13.6ppg, .426%, 4.4apg, 11.1 shot attempts per game, 35.4mpg

With Kobe: +4.2ppg, +.029%, +2.9apg, +3.6sapg, +11.3mpg

Some of those stats are inflated by his extra minutes, but if Kobe was such a horrific team player I'd assume these statistics would be vastly different.

Chris Mihm's last non-Kobe season:
6.3ppg, .488%, 0.3apg, 5.4rpg, 5.0 shot attempts per game, 17.5mpg

Chris Mihm's last season with Kobe:
9.8ppg, .507%, 0.7apg, 6.7rpg, 7.4 shot attempts per game, 24.9mpg

With Kobe: +3.5ppg, +.019%, +0.4apg, +1.3rpg, +2.4sapg, +7.4mpg

And finally we move on to Lamar Odom...

Lamar Odom's last non-Kobe season:
17.1ppg, .430%, 9.7rpg, 4.1apg, 14.1 shot attempts per game, 37.5mpg

Lamar Odom's last season with Kobe:
15.2ppg, .473%, 10.2rpg, 3.7apg, 12.1 shot attempts per game, 36.3mpg

With Kobe: -1.9ppg, +.043%, +0.5rpg, -0.4apg, -2.0sapg, -1.2mpg

What does all of this prove? Very little, but I find it interesting that despite playing with such a horrible teammate and admitted ballhog, every new Laker apart from Lamar Odom improved statistically all round. None of them had a significant improvement in mpg to warrant all of the statistic improvements... also note that EVERY player's FG% improved and everyone except Odom improved in shot attempts per game..

Looking at this, I'd be more inclined to say that it's not a case of Kobe Bryant not being a good enough teammate to play with Lamar Odom... but Lamar Odom not being a good enough teammate to play with Kobe Bryant.

[Emiliano]

at Jae's post.

[Metsis]

Jae's post says nothing...

The fact is that Atkins, Mihm went from bench to starting lineup. Caron Butler battled some difficult injuries during his final Heat season.

Basically Odom is the only player that had his status remain the same going from one team to another.

And these guys have never before had as much responsibility as they've had since joining the Lakers... In the pro's that is.

Playing with a ball-hog is a nightmare... That much is for sure... If you don't get the ball and get the responsibility it's pretty hard to stay focused especially through a long period of time. It is just bad for morale when someone keeps on hogging the ball and going for difficult shots rather than giving someone else a shot at it... It is never good. Jordan knew this all too well and he has admitted it to the press too... He has said that he took over only in the fourth quarter so his team mates wouldn't feel so left out. And thus MJ was a player that made it fun for his team mates. It's all about the wins in the end and MJ "sometimes" had to deliver in the end and his team mates recognized that and let him do his thing... Jordan was smart. He understood that this was a team game and that his team mates are hardly totally useless... They play in the NBA for god sakes...

If Kobe were to get it through his thick head that he doesn't have to do everything and would share a little more of the responsibility to his team, I think he would be getting more steals, boards, assists, blocks and would shoot at a higher percentage... As he wouldn't have to excert so much energy on every go... He would have more left in the tank for the closing minutes of the games... He would have happier team mates and happiness is a big thing... The happier the guys, the bette they will play...

Damn, ranting me... I really should stop now, since someone will say that I suck anyways after this post...

Wade and Kobe are good players... I think Wade has the edge right now... He isn't forcing it as much and his team has a better record... They are both good, Wade is in a better team...