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by **J@3** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:18 am

VanK wrote:He's like the third or fourth best Croatian in the NBA all-time. So what is all this fuss about him again?

You better be fishing otherwise

by **Fenix** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:25 am

Jae wrote:
VanK wrote:He's like the third or fourth best Croatian in the NBA all-time. So what is all this fuss about him again?

You better be fishing otherwise

. What? You think there are more people before him on that list? Calm down, he doesn't suck that much :lol:

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by **J@3** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:32 am

Man you really know fuck all about this sport don't you :lol:

stick to your hair dressing thing.

by **Fenix** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:35 am

Jae wrote:Man you really know fuck all about this sport don't you stick to your hair dressing thing.

I cut my hair, so I had to find something else to constantly think about :lol:

. Don't worry, it will grow back and the world will be saved.

by **putodelagoa** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:34 am

The only croatian dude that I can remember as being a better player than Bogut was Drazen Petrovic, who was really, really good. Bogut will pan out as a very serviceable Center, maybe not a star, but a Brad Miller with a mean streak, that's for sure... (Y)

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:07 pm

The only croatian dude that I can remember as being a better player than Bogut was Drazen Petrovic, who was really, really good.

Don't forget Dino Radja. And Toni Kukoc. :wink:

by **J@3** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:50 pm

He's Australian

but yeah Dweaver's right, Dino Radja was good.

by **Jugs** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:51 pm

never ever forget Toni Kukoc

He won't be forgetton in Croatia like Goran Ivanisevic :mrgreen:

by **Fenix** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:26 pm

You see, Jae? I win. He trully is the forth best Croatian :lol:

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by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:40 pm

You see, Jae? I win. He trully is the forth best Croatian

I heard he has visited Greece twice... That would make him the best Greek player ever to play in the NBA... woot..woot... :lol:

by **Fenix** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:50 pm

D-Weaver wrote:
You see, Jae? I win. He trully is the forth best Croatian

I heard he has visited Greece twice... That would make him the best Greek player ever to play in the NBA... woot..woot...

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Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:25 pm

Jae wrote:He's Australian but yeah Dweaver's right, Dino Radja was good.

In his first game shown here (Bucks vs Nets) Marv Albert kept referring to him being Croatian and having grown up in Australia...kind of weird seeing as though he was born in Melbourne. His parents of course did migrate to Australia.

by **Fenix** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:37 pm

Andrew wrote:
Jae wrote:He's Australian but yeah Dweaver's right, Dino Radja was good.

In his first game shown here (Bucks vs Nets) Marv Albert kept referring to him being Croatian and having grown up in Australia...kind of weird seeing as though he was born in Melbourne. His parents of course did migrate to Australia.

Reading his interviews/artices in Croatian and foreign magazines, he speaks Croatian, acts like one and feels like one too. Hey, who are you to object him :lol:

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Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:48 pm

I'm sure he does have a great appreciation for his heritage but he was born in Australia. His nationality is Australian, he represented Australia at the Olympics, he is Australian. He's first generation Australian in his family with Croatian parents and a Croatian background.

I mean, following that logic...my father was born in England, migrated here when he was 19. I was born in Australia but I speak English, sometimes even in a English accent when I'm joking around with him. I guess that makes me English.

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:29 pm

he represented Australia at the Olympics

That's all that matters, officially.

by **putodelagoa** on Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:48 pm

D-Weaver wrote:
The only croatian dude that I can remember as being a better player than Bogut was Drazen Petrovic, who was really, really good.

Don't forget Dino Radja. And Toni Kukoc.

How could I forget about The Waiter... Alzheimer is eating my brain...
But, Radja, better than Bogut? Absolutely no Way... He was a cream puff at center, who scored a lot on a truly horrific Celtics team. As for the nationality thing, it makes little sense to claim Bogut is Croatian. But if Shawn Bradley can play for the German team...

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:20 am

But, Radja, better than Bogut? Absolutely no Way... He was a cream puff at center, who scored a lot on a truly horrific Celtics team.

Be that as it may, he still was better in his prime putting up 20ppg, than AB is now. I think we shoudl wait and see the Aussie's development in the future.

by **Fenix** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:02 am

putodelagoa wrote: How could I forget about The Waiter... Alzheimer is eating my brain...
But, Radja, better than Bogut? Absolutely no Way...

. Hadn't you seen him play? He was a 20/10 player in his prime and he played in the '90, when there were like 67 HoF centers around. You're comparing that with a bench player/passable starter. (I'm talking about Bogut of today, so you crazy Australians don't cut my balls off.)

by **putodelagoa** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:23 am

Yes I saw him play. I'm a Celtics fan, and I've been so for a long time, like when we spoke fondly of Kevin Gamble, and Reggie Lewis was taking place of an Injured Bird. I saw the rise and fall of the Dino Radja era. He was such a bad defender he made Keith Van Horn look good; he was made of glass, and was soft as a sponge. I hated him then, I still hate him now. Yeah he was putting great numbers in some horrid celtics teams. Good for him.
Bogut plays viciously, and his offense will come around. He sees the floor, rebounds and plays with attitude. I am sold on him. The broken nose would put Radja on the IL for 5 weeks.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:30 am

I believe it was Radja who was part of the bizarre injuries squad that was the 1997 Boston Celtics, getting stung on the lip by a bee as he ran up the court. Pervis Ellison was also part of that team, put on the shelf when he broke his foot moving a coffee table.

by **Fenix** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:49 pm

putodelagoa wrote:Yes I saw him play. I'm a Celtics fan, and I've been so for a long time, like when we spoke fondly of Kevin Gamble, and Reggie Lewis was taking place of an Injured Bird. I saw the rise and fall of the Dino Radja era. He was such a bad defender he made Keith Van Horn look good; he was made of glass, and was soft as a sponge. I hated him then, I still hate him now. Yeah he was putting great numbers in some horrid celtics teams. Good for him.
Bogut plays viciously, and his offense will come around. He sees the floor, rebounds and plays with attitude. I am sold on him. The broken nose would put Radja on the IL for 5 weeks.

Well, he indeed was soft, I won't argue with you on that one :lol.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:50 pm

Speaking of Bogut, not his finest outing scoring-wise though he had a handful of rebounds and assists (4 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists was his line, I believe).

by **spreeul8r** on Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:03 am

hes not Croatian hes AUSTRALIAN!!!

My parents were born in Croatia but that doesnt make me Croatian. I was born in Australia and im a proud Aussie. Im proud of my heritage, but ill always be an Aussie first.

Andrew was born in Melbourne, grew up in Melbourne and learned to play ball in Melbourne. Sure he helps out people in Croatia with his charity, i would do the same thing if i was loaded. Dont confuse good intensions with what he actually is.

BTW i speak croatian, sometimes feel croatian when smothered by croatian relo's and im just curious, what does a croatian act like?

Ultimately we're both Australian :wink:

by **J@3** on Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:56 pm

Quite a good article at ESPN on Bogut...

Potential is a dangerous word in the NBA. It gets players drafted and general managers fired.

This year's No. 1 pick, Andrew Bogut, has plenty of potential. What he also has going for him is that he's not starting his career on a bad team. The Milwaukee Bucks might be the most improved team in the league.

Through Saturday they were leading the league in rebounding (46 per game), offensive rebounding (14.79) and 3-point field goal percentage (.424). The 9-6 Bucks have made changes through the draft (Bogut), with trades (Jamaal Magloire) and with improving health (T.J. Ford).

Being the No. 1 pick means you're supposed to be an impact player. Fortunately for the Bucks, coach Terry Stotts is just asking Bogut to have an impact as a role player.

As of Saturday his numbers were good (8.0 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2 apg and 50 percent FGs). What's been most impressive, according to the Bucks' coaches, is his ability to learn on the fly and adjust during the game. I saw a good example of that Saturday when he faced the league's second-leading rebounder, Dwight Howard.

On the Magic's first possession they missed a jumper that Howard put back with a two-handed slam. On that play Bogut tried to block out Howard the conventional way, putting a body (his back) on him. With Howard's quickness and leaping ability that's easier said than done. The next time down the floor, when the shot went up, Bogut whirled, face-guarded Howard, stuck a forarm in his chest and pushed him away from the basket. This allowed a teammate to get the rebound. Lesson learned.

Too bad more No. 1 picks have not had this luxury of being eased into the NBA. Don't get me wrong, Bogut still has expectations to fulfill this season. But when his career is over we could be looking back and saying this kid lived up to his potential. All because of a little patience.

-- Will Perdue

by **joyufat** on Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:09 pm

Is that Will Purdue as in Will "My Favourite Bench Player From Nba Live '96" Purdue?

Joe Smith will be out for two months because of surgery, so that means more minutes for our favourite Australian. Hope he uses them well.

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