Larry Brown vs. Stephon Marbury, Round One!

[Jeffx]

You knew it was coming.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 2275c.html

[designmatrix]

You knew it was coming.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 2275c.html

Marbury simply needs to go. Only problem is nobody wants him.

[dada]

I agree with Brown, Marbury never really has won anywhere doing things his way so he just needs to calm down and be patient.

[BIG GREEN]

Marbury's talent is obviously good...too bad his attitude isnt. Who can the knicks get that is better than he though?...

[Kbryant8]

Marbury's talent is obviously good...too bad his attitude isnt. Who can the knicks get that is better than he though?...

Nate should try

[dada]

i was thinking about that while i was reading it earlier, they should bench marbury for a game (for all that blabbing) and let nate run the show and see how he does.

[BIG GREEN]

I can't believe i forgot about nate. They should try running the two of them together..with marbury at SG. What the team would lack in size (which it always has since Ewing) they would make for in speed and athleticism.

[Kbryant8]

I can't believe i forgot about nate. They should try running the two of them together..with marbury at SG. What the team would lack in size (which it always has since Ewing) they would make for in speed and athleticism.

Like i have heard Larry doesn`t trust rookies.in philadelphia was the same problem.
Yeah nate should try.

[Flasher]

Didn't Iverson have the similar arguments with Larry Brown and eventually accepted it?

[Kbryant8]

Didn't Iverson have the similar arguments with Larry Brown and eventually accepted it?

Larry says:
"He told me he wanted to play like the way I used Allen (in Philadelphia). Well, I had Eric Snow, Larry Hughes, Aaron McKie. It's a little different now."

[Fenix]

No, he didn't . LB surrendered and put Eric Snow at PG to guard the opposing shooting guards and Iverson played off guard. I doubt that Brown will do the same with Marbury, while they don't have any true PGs on the roster. Wouldn't it be great if Isiah threw the MLE to someone they could actually use, like Jaric? Even Watson would be a better fit. Nobody would be able to defend SG with Earl at one and Marbury at two, but it's not like anybody does it right now .

[Its_asdf]

Nobody wants Marbury, and probably the only GM foolish enough to trade for him would be Isiah Thomas.....

[Gator]

Marbury is amazing, I don't know why he's struggling..

[Andrew]

I'm not a Knicks fan, but it was a good read nevertheless. It'll be interesting to see whom the Knicks' upper management sides with, Larry Brown or Isiah Thomas. Logic would suggest it would be Brown seeing as though he's been a successful coach while Thomas hasn't had much success in the front office, though you never know. Logic hasn't seemed to play a part in a great deal of the Knicks' decisions.

[Matt]

the only chance Knicks are going to get of winning is to let Marbury play his way, except, pass up on a shot or two here and there. Defense would also be a good idea.

[Matthew]

LB surrendered and put Eric Snow at PG to guard the opposing shooting guards and Iverson played off guard.

Yeah putting Iverson at shooting guard really hurt the sixers. The reason they did this is becuase they picked up Snow midway through the season and wanted to play both Snow and Iverson on the court at the same time. Of cousre, snow is as offensively challanged as some piston fans out there so they put him in charge of running the offense whilst AI was playing shooting guard. Its not like Iverson demanded it.

Nobody wants Marbury, and probably the only GM foolish enough to trade for him would be Isiah Thomas.....

Yeah Thomas is the only idiot GM out there isnt he? Its not like theres GM's out there that trade Shaq, Draft Darko ahead of Wade/bosh/melo, its not like there is GM's out there that trade patrick ewing for shandon anderson and howard eisley which killed the knicks cap for years before thomas even arrived.

Isiah sure is a one of a kind idiot isnt he?

[magius]

i dont think isiah has done that bad of a job, he's just taken some risks, but considering what he had to work with, he had no choice. blame layden.

[Fenix]

LB surrendered and put Eric Snow at PG to guard the opposing shooting guards and Iverson played off guard.

Yeah putting Iverson at shooting guard really hurt the sixers. The reason they did this is becuase they picked up Snow midway through the season and wanted to play both Snow and Iverson on the court at the same time. Of cousre, snow is as offensively challanged as some piston fans out there so they put him in charge of running the offense whilst AI was playing shooting guard. Its not like Iverson demanded it.

I never said putting AI at the SG hurt the Sixers. I only tried to make a point that LB tried to make AI play 'the right way', but in the end he backed off a little and saw that the things aren't going to finish well this way and that someone needs to be brought to play along AI. THAT's why Snow came. In fact, I got a feeling that you're trying to persuade me something I had never even denied. You're shadow boxing way, way too much.

[1CenT]

Basically, knicks' roster is not good enough to win playing the right or wrong way..
b/c a lot of teams are actually playing the right way nowadays, and they are better teams..

All i know is, Marbury can't be getting every1 involve and attacking whenever he is suppose to, if he can do that.. well.. he'll become a great great player... He shouldnt have talked, he should be challenging himself to play under brown's sytem and suceed in it, to prove every1 wrong... but i guess he is weak and can't take change...

In my opinion, Marbury can't really be a AI type of scorer and win.. He should play off guard at times tho

[dan_suth]

Yeah Thomas is the only idiot GM out there isnt he? Its not like theres GM's out there that trade Shaq, Draft Darko ahead of Wade/bosh/melo, its not like there is GM's out there that trade patrick ewing for shandon anderson and howard eisley which killed the knicks cap for years before thomas even arrived.

Isiah sure is a one of a kind idiot isnt he?

You're right, Joe Dumars is terrible for the Pistons..

[Doobie]

He was trying to imply that all GM's make mistakes , and people shouldn't be burning Isiah for the moves he has done .

[putodelagoa]

It's human to make mistakes. Isiah just happens to be more human than the average gm...

[Jeffx]

It's human to make mistakes. Isiah just happens to be more human than the average gm...

That's what I'm saying. There's no getting around it, Isiah did a horrible, horrible job with this roster. Did Isiah forget how his Pistons won championships? Why go the opposite way, especially if you're going to hire Larry Brown. This is f-ing ridiculous.

To make matters worse, Knicks are saddled with more bad contracts. I had high hopes when Isiah took over, but he's as bad as Layden.

[Matthew]

I never said putting AI at the SG hurt the Sixers

You made it sound like Brown did it just to keep the peace in philly. It turned out to be a brilliant move and one that helped Philly make the finals in 2001.

I only tried to make a point that LB tried to make AI play 'the right way', but in the end he backed off a little and saw that the things aren't going to finish well this way and that someone needs to be brought to play along AI.

But people claim that Brown is so stubborn and set in his ways that he doesnt change his style for the better of his teamates. Look at the pistons. Brown guides them to a championship and a chauncey billups 3 pointer away from back to back championships and they try to blame him for their offensive "struggles". They're such idiots, seriously.

That's what I'm saying. There's no getting around it, Isiah did a horrible, horrible job with this roster. Did Isiah forget how his Pistons won championships? Why go the opposite way, especially if you're going to hire Larry Brown. This is f-ing ridiculous.

Thats not true. The only move Isiah made with brown as head coach was the curry trade. Brown will get the players he wants, and Isiah will assist him in that. Remember in philly, the most important trade brown made was trading stackhouse for mckie and ratliff. At the time, who would have ever thought Ratliff would have ended up being the defensive gem and all star he turned out to be.

To make matters worse, Knicks are saddled with more bad contracts. I had high hopes when Isiah took over, but he's as bad as Layden.

Has Isiah signed Allan houston to a 100 million dollar deal? Did he trade Ewing for Rice, then rice and a future first round pick for shandon anderson and howard eisley? Did he sign Chris Childs and Charlie Ward to ridiculous contracts? Did he trade Latrell Sprewell for Keith Van horn? Did he trade Marcus Camby and Nene for Mcdyess? The only mistake that Isiaih has done is take risks with (talented) players. It hasnt worked so far, but Marbury, Crawford, Richardson, Curry all have opportunities to be much better under brown. You just have to give it some time. Also dont forget the excellent job he has done in the draft: Ariza, Frye, Robinson, Lee.. there is a future there in those players.

[maes]

Both Marbury and Brown sound like tough people to work with. I don't think this is all Marbury's fault, plenty of winning coaches believe in letting the players take advantage of the situation as it develops and not necessarily follow a set play every time, like D'Antoni.