How many times will Zo get dunked on?

[Laxation]

Darko looks to be an agressive blocker and he will get dunked on plenty, not just because he is white.

That just plain mad me laugh. Who brought up Darko, let alone him being white?

hes comparing it to darko...

then he jsut pulled the white remark out of his ass. He said it like someone said Darkok was going to get dunked on because he was white.

someone was talking about it a while ago... in another thread (i think)

[doriel]

This dunky is so impressive... how long does he stay in the air ? Already a highlight of the year...

[j.23]

as much as i hate zo, i gotta give him props. 7 blocks tonight against the heat, jesus christ...

[Metsis]

New Jersey is already a formidable force in the league... With RJ, Vince and Kidd gathering all the defensive attention, Krstic can't be left alone... And he's still a kid...

This team is plenty dangerous already... With Nenad getting better all the time and the three man combo is absolutely the best in the league! Hands down...

Gotta give Zo credit for getting up and challenging all those dunks... The dunking never gets easier when someone challenges it. There are plenty of folks out there that would have let them dunk it plain and just accepted the loss. Zo tried to take some of them away, and that's kudos to him... 5 against NJN, last night 7 against Indiana... That's 12 blocks in two games... I'd like to see some other center average that. Zo's still got game...

[Drex]

He's getting 4bpg

[cyanide]

as much as i hate zo, i gotta give him props. 7 blocks tonight against the heat, jesus christ...

I didn't know blocking on your own teammates count

[Matt]

Kirilenko can shit on those numbers!!!!!

[J@3]

He got dunked on pretty badly by Yao today, another one to add to the list.

[Metsis]

Kirilenko can shit on those numbers!!!!!

I'd like to see Kirilenko getting 4bpg as a center... Defending smaller men that do jumpers is a whole other thing than trying to block an opposing centers hook shot or a guard coming in for a dunk... It's a lot tougher.

Kirilenko is a great defensive player, but hence I said another CENTER! I was thinking of Kirilenko's absurd steal and block ratios when I was typing that.

[Matt]

I'd like to see Mourning average 4bpg as a SF.

C's get more opportunities to block shots, since not only do they contest jump shots of their own men, but also when guys drive into the lane.

Kirilenko is amazing, especially since he does what he does at SF.

[boconcio]

Kirilenko is a SF, Zo is a center, they have different styles of play. so why the fuck are you comparing them?

[air gordon]

He got dunked on pretty badly by Yao today, another one to add to the list.

this is more of a credit to yao more then anything. to my surprise, yao is posting up a lot closer to the basket

that was a good battle going on between those 2. those guys were out of gas mid 2nd qtr

[Andrew]

Caught the dunk on the latest NBA Action. Truly awesome, enough said.

Gotta give Zo credit for getting up and challenging all those dunks... The dunking never gets easier when someone challenges it. There are plenty of folks out there that would have let them dunk it plain and just accepted the loss. Zo tried to take some of them away, and that's kudos to him... 5 against NJN, last night 7 against Indiana... That's 12 blocks in two games... I'd like to see some other center average that. Zo's still got game...

Agreed. If you're a centre and you challenge shots, sometimes you're going to get dunked on. Through his career, Zo has turned away more shots than he's been dunked on, and in his prime he had some really awesome blocks against players who could really throw it down. And not to take anything away from Carter and Jefferson, but Zo isn't quite the athlete he used to be while they are much younger and both great athletes, though that's not to say it was impossible to dunk over Zo in his younger days and that it never happened. When talented players lock horns, someone's going to get beaten.

[Balla69]

four times, especially twice on that continuing possesion

is a tad bit much.

those were poster worthy dunks, all in one game.

its just common sense, centers all get posterized
more you challenge more you gonna get blocked
plain and simple

but there are reasons when players just brush aside or just don't challenge the dunk.
VC coming at you a mile away is one of those times

i'm 5'8 and can dunk
(tell me how to post a picture and i'll post it)

i DO play basketball. (not as often as i sprint or kickbox, but yeah)

so when you say none of the people here ball, or know about basketball, i'm assuming already you don't know most of us as well as you think.

and yeah, i do block shots cause i can jump.
but only in scrimmages or playground games
and trust me, i do not get dunked on even then as much as 4 times a game.

playing with my state team, i don't even try it coz most of those guys are 6' 8, 6'9
and can dunk windmill's

even then in games or practice our center doesn't get dunked on 4 times like that

[Metsis]

four times, especially twice on that continuing possesion

is a tad bit much.

those were poster worthy dunks, all in one game.

its just common sense, centers all get posterized
more you challenge more you gonna get blocked
plain and simple

but there are reasons when players just brush aside or just don't challenge the dunk.
VC coming at you a mile away is one of those times

i'm 5'8 and can dunk
(tell me how to post a picture and i'll post it)

i DO play basketball. (not as often as i sprint or kickbox, but yeah)

so when you say none of the people here ball, or know about basketball, i'm assuming already you don't know most of us as well as you think.

and yeah, i do block shots cause i can jump.
but only in scrimmages or playground games
and trust me, i do not get dunked on even then as much as 4 times a game.

playing with my state team, i don't even try it coz most of those guys are 6' 8, 6'9
and can dunk windmill's

even then in games or practice our center doesn't get dunked on 4 times like that

Comparing your games to those of the NBA is just plain stupid... There ain't no one like Carter or Jefferson playing with you... They'd be playing the NBA if they were as good ar half as athletic as the Net duo is.

Another guess is that you are a youg guy... Like 15-20 year old or something. Those guys rarely have the balls to go for the dunks that Carter and Jefferson try...

One more question... How many crowd dunks are there in your practises? If someone can't put one down from a stand still position, I'm guessing none... At least if you play defense at all. Sure if you are on the open court or on a fast break, the dunking is easy.

I'm pretty sure that your team mates would get blocked by Zo so many times they wouldn't be trying the stuff Carter and Jefferson pulled on him...

Zo's got that defensive game going...
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(3.75)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks(30.0)

This is todays situation... Don't put him down before he's out...

[Matt]

let's not forget the dunks Simmons and Mason dropped on him too...they were nice.

[designmatrix]

I'd like to see Mourning average 4bpg as a SF.

Dude...you are a idiot.

[Balla69]

four times, especially twice on that continuing possesion

is a tad bit much.

those were poster worthy dunks, all in one game.

its just common sense, centers all get posterized
more you challenge more you gonna get blocked
plain and simple

but there are reasons when players just brush aside or just don't challenge the dunk.
VC coming at you a mile away is one of those times

i'm 5'8 and can dunk
(tell me how to post a picture and i'll post it)

i DO play basketball. (not as often as i sprint or kickbox, but yeah)

so when you say none of the people here ball, or know about basketball, i'm assuming already you don't know most of us as well as you think.

and yeah, i do block shots cause i can jump.
but only in scrimmages or playground games
and trust me, i do not get dunked on even then as much as 4 times a game.

playing with my state team, i don't even try it coz most of those guys are 6' 8, 6'9
and can dunk windmill's

even then in games or practice our center doesn't get dunked on 4 times like that

Comparing your games to those of the NBA is just plain stupid... There ain't no one like Carter or Jefferson playing with you... They'd be playing the NBA if they were as good ar half as athletic as the Net duo is.

Another guess is that you are a youg guy... Like 15-20 year old or something. Those guys rarely have the balls to go for the dunks that Carter and Jefferson try...

One more question... How many crowd dunks are there in your practises? If someone can't put one down from a stand still position, I'm guessing none... At least if you play defense at all. Sure if you are on the open court or on a fast break, the dunking is easy.

I'm pretty sure that your team mates would get blocked by Zo so many times they wouldn't be trying the stuff Carter and Jefferson pulled on him...

Zo's got that defensive game going...
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(3.75)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks(30.0)

This is todays situation... Don't put him down before he's out...

Hmmm, i feel your point.
but hey, the guys on my team are pretty athletic
but i don't really know how its like compared to the nba, i can't say i have played with Vince, rj or them guys. can't really tell just by looking at the game tape
but yeah, maybe they aren't near those guys, but they are still pretty good

we have one guy who is a 'crowd dunker' he is the center. 6'10 or sumthing, can't really jump if you look at him.

and yeah, you are right, i do mostly dunk on the fastbreak.
i do dunk on guys, but its during pickup games where the tallest guys are about 6'2 maybe. i think i can understand what you are saying,
but not to take anything away from me, i don't want to risk my life just to prove a point to guys i don't really care about
i have landed wrong a couple of times, and trust me, its a scary experience

i know zo would block the shit outta me. i'm 5'8 for gods sake
i can jump, but even that is really pushing it.
but i can't say for my teammates, they might maybe cram one or two over him
this guy from africa, last name deng, he can straight out dunk. he is about 6'9, but he can really jump
he can do a between the legs dunk, and thats saying something

yeah zo is really good. but i think camby is better

till next time brudder

[hipn]

The onyl reason he got dunked on 4times in one game is cuz a former dunk copm champ was dunking on him and another highflyer was dunking on him, if it was like bosh or bogut trying todunk on him, ill bet you they wont be so successful.

[Metsis]

There is one fundamental difference in the game of basket ball that really makes a difference when comparing players from different levels... And it's the speed of the game and the speed of the guys...

I've seen players from way different levels of competition in my time and the main difference there is is the speed... The higher the level of play, the higher speed game they play... So NBA is the pinnacle of the Bball world and thus the game is alot faster than what it is in some pick up games etc. The situations are so much faster and the decisions and moves are so much more quicker and the defense has so much less time to react than on any other level.

So this is probably why Zo and other centers get posterized every now and then. If they would have more time to react and time their blocks, they probably would pick out most of Carters and Jeffersons dunks too, but the fact is that the players come in so quickly for the dunks that the center can barely make it off the ground and hope that their hands are in the way of the ball...

And all of the four dunks are from gameplay out of control situations in which the defense is not set and Zo has to cover some ground to get posterized... It's not like he's waiting for the dunkers to come in and is 100% prepared to pick the dunks off... This is too another reason why they had so much success at dunking on Zo...

If Bosh or Bogut were to try dunks on Zo, they would have much harder time at it... First off you have Zo on your back to start with... Thus he's ready to defend you. And doesn't have to come over to help on the defense... Low-post players usually do power dunks... Thus jumping with both feet and hammering it down and these dunks are much slower than the speed dunks Carter and Jefferson do... Zo would probably block Boshes and Boguts in-your-face dunk attempts most of the time...

What it comes to you Balla69... At 5'8", I know you wouldn't even dare to try a dunk on Zo... Or any center... But your taller guys at 6'8" and 6'9", could probably go for the dunks, but as I said the speed is the difference and thus Zo would be more likely to contest their dunks successfully... If he was playing 100%... They would probably succeed at it sometimes... Some weird shit happens on the bball court from time to time, but they would have big difficulties against him...

About the African... Dunking is all nice and sweet, but can he play? Shoot, dribble? Does he have the lateral quickness to do these things in a game situation?

We have this 7-footer black guy in our club and he sometimes does some pretty creepy dunks in games too... It's rare to see anyone dunk in Finnish division level game... But he's made a couple of posterizing moves and is a pretty good player on the otherhand as well, but lacks aggressiveness... You wouldn't want to get on his way when he gets angry... I've seen that in a couple of games and boy that makes for a world of hurt for the opposing team.

Anyways... Which guy would you pick, the one who can dunk or the one who can shoot? I'd take the shooter 11 times out of 10... There are only so many dunk opportunities in a game...

Zo is looking very good at the moment... His numbers are close to the time before he was diagnosed with that kidney ailment... And that is good to see... He has always been one of my favorie centers...

[J@3]

What it comes to you Balla69... At 5'8", I know you wouldn't even dare to try a dunk on Zo... Or any center... But your taller guys at 6'8" and 6'9", could probably go for the dunks, but as I said the speed is the difference and thus Zo would be more likely to contest their dunks successfully... If he was playing 100%... They would probably succeed at it sometimes... Some weird shit happens on the bball court from time to time, but they would have big difficulties against him...

Also got to take into consideration individual player ego's... I'd guarantee that basically 80% of the NBA think they're the best player in the World. I think the more self confident would be the guys more likely to try and dunk on someone.

[Jugs]

barh, i'm 5 foot 6 and i do dunks and shit over guys who are 4 foot 11

[Balla69]

There is one fundamental difference in the game of basket ball that really makes a difference when comparing players from different levels... And it's the speed of the game and the speed of the guys...

I've seen players from way different levels of competition in my time and the main difference there is is the speed... The higher the level of play, the higher speed game they play... So NBA is the pinnacle of the Bball world and thus the game is alot faster than what it is in some pick up games etc. The situations are so much faster and the decisions and moves are so much more quicker and the defense has so much less time to react than on any other level.

So this is probably why Zo and other centers get posterized every now and then. If they would have more time to react and time their blocks, they probably would pick out most of Carters and Jeffersons dunks too, but the fact is that the players come in so quickly for the dunks that the center can barely make it off the ground and hope that their hands are in the way of the ball...

And all of the four dunks are from gameplay out of control situations in which the defense is not set and Zo has to cover some ground to get posterized... It's not like he's waiting for the dunkers to come in and is 100% prepared to pick the dunks off... This is too another reason why they had so much success at dunking on Zo...

If Bosh or Bogut were to try dunks on Zo, they would have much harder time at it... First off you have Zo on your back to start with... Thus he's ready to defend you. And doesn't have to come over to help on the defense... Low-post players usually do power dunks... Thus jumping with both feet and hammering it down and these dunks are much slower than the speed dunks Carter and Jefferson do... Zo would probably block Boshes and Boguts in-your-face dunk attempts most of the time...

What it comes to you Balla69... At 5'8", I know you wouldn't even dare to try a dunk on Zo... Or any center... But your taller guys at 6'8" and 6'9", could probably go for the dunks, but as I said the speed is the difference and thus Zo would be more likely to contest their dunks successfully... If he was playing 100%... They would probably succeed at it sometimes... Some weird shit happens on the bball court from time to time, but they would have big difficulties against him...

About the African... Dunking is all nice and sweet, but can he play? Shoot, dribble? Does he have the lateral quickness to do these things in a game situation?

We have this 7-footer black guy in our club and he sometimes does some pretty creepy dunks in games too... It's rare to see anyone dunk in Finnish division level game... But he's made a couple of posterizing moves and is a pretty good player on the otherhand as well, but lacks aggressiveness... You wouldn't want to get on his way when he gets angry... I've seen that in a couple of games and boy that makes for a world of hurt for the opposing team.

Anyways... Which guy would you pick, the one who can dunk or the one who can shoot? I'd take the shooter 11 times out of 10... There are only so many dunk opportunities in a game...

Zo is looking very good at the moment... His numbers are close to the time before he was diagnosed with that kidney ailment... And that is good to see... He has always been one of my favorie centers...

i think thats a real good point with the speed thing, that was what i couldn't put my finger on. i am bloody quick and fast, but i think to have the stamina to do it the whole game is another level. i obviously can't, especially what with uni and work in the way, its hard to stay game fit.
hitting the gym and having stamina to be crazy quick the whole game is a different thing, i know it is a whole different ballgame. i am getting older, and i tend to pick my spots more in a game now. i got mad handles and mad acceleration ( i used to sprint for my state and was on my national team as a backup) but to do it like AI, running up and down at MAX speed, i get what you are saying. non of us can do that like ai, 41mpg. i would have muscular burnouts

that deng guy is pretty good, he got some and1 handles, but i do know he is lacking in lateral quickness. he's got a a vert thats close to 40sumthing, At LEAST. his shot is money, but well, its not perfect. its got a wierd form (to me anyways) its definitely not vince carter, i think i get what you are getting at. i think he'd have a hard time shooting a fadeaway 3 outta bounds like carter. (altho he does make some cool shots in practice)

i'd be pretty biased, but for a street pickup game it is definitely the dunks. on the streets, you can dunk? kewl, alley oops and crazy plays all night
but in a real game its always the shooter. i'd pick that shooter if i want to win as well.

finnish div? whats that like, what kinda point system do you have? whats the minutes and quaters etc etc

[Metsis]

How does that Deng guy do in real games? Or does he play them? There are guys who are total studs in practise, but the confidense fades fast when the game is for real... How old is he? Who knows, maybe he still has a shot at doing something big in the field of basket ball...

Finnish basket ball is a Euro game... So it's the national rules, 4x10 minute game and 5 fouls to foul out etc.

About shooting forms... The "correct" shooting form isn't for everybody, but it's a good place to start. If you learn to shoot it that way and then refine it so that it fits your play/style/body the best, then you will probably shoot pretty well. My three point form would be best described as horrible, but it's my shot and I can make it with some regularity... Still recovering from an awful ankle incident a year ago... I'm still not in the form when I went down, but I'm working on it.

I've seen one really weird basket in my time... One that would make the highlight reels in the NBA too... And this was in a Finnish Division game... Sometimes you just get lucky... This had nothing to do with skill, but here goes... The quarter was dying out with only few seconds left, a shot was taken and it missed, the ball went off hard from the rim and headed out of bounds toward the corner of the court... Anyways, one guy rushed after the ball and jumped from the corner of the court and caught the ball and just tossed it over his head... Nothing but net! That was incredible... Everyone present had their jaws drop atleast to the knee level... It was unbelievable and I don't think he could make shot again in his life even if he tried it for years... It's a damn shame it wasn't caught on any video or anything. Pure highlight material... Those half court shots pale in comparison.

Anyways... Zo got 9 blocks against the Knicks last night... He's still first in the league in blocks and his BPG average currently is his second best of his career... Man's still got game...

[Andrew]

It's great to see Zo putting up the numbers that he has been. It seems once a player hits 30 he's written off, especially if he has health issues as Zo does. Had he not suffered from his kidney ailment he'd likely be playing a much larger role somewhere but as it stands he's proof that just because a player takes a diminished role doesn't mean he's got nothing left to offer.