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Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:51 am

chris bosh is a near 20 and 10 player. and those are not projected stats per 48 or 40 minutes and he didn't do this in the california penal league.


:lol: Great line.

yet this all gets pushed aside because some white guy can run faster or jump higher


That's the reason why he was drafted # 2, isn't it? :lol:
It's not uncommon to see people looking low on players because of a perceived lack of potencial. Elton Brand, for example, is a double double machine but was traded for a nr 3 pick with awsome potencial, who could potencially turn out to be a bust. Fortunately that was not the case, but Chandler has yet to prove he can be as productive as Brand.
Guys like Larry Bird, or Adrian Dantley, that could dominate a game without having the blessing of awsome physical tools show us that athleticism is great but not essencial to succeed as a ball player.

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:15 pm

thanks. there is some method to my madness...

not uncommon, but there have been mistakes. i would trade chandler to get brand back in a heartbeat.

this bosh thing isn't the same situation. his game was very unpolished heading into the draft and he's already turned into a very solid player

Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:49 am

I think Bosh was already pretty polished for his age. He had a really nice stroke from mid-range but he was forced to play center after the Rose and Marshall trade so most of his face up game wasn't put to much use. Playing center also weared him out and caused him to really struggle in the middle of his rookie season, so I'm really hoping that Bosh can develop as a small foward in the future.

Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:03 am

air gordon wrote:this is realy silly

some people believe because a guy is the nba's best practice player, he will be the best player ever

"potential' is highly overrated and misused in this forum.

chris bosh is a near 20 and 10 player. and those are not projected stats per 48 or 40 minutes and he didn't do this in the california penal league. this was against nba starters nite in and nite out (once VC was traded).

yet this all gets pushed aside because some white guy can run faster or jump higher

:lol:. I was only comparing their 'potential', which trully is overrated, but should still be considered in their values as a young basketball players.

Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:52 am

it's the same thing. you can apply that to your potential argument :roll:

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:50 am

VanK wrote:Why does Darko appear in every single thread :lol:?

He is bigger, longer and tronger than Bosh (7'1, 260 versus 6'11, 235),


You mean 7 foot, 245 versus 7-foot (he's grown) 240? Yeah, huge difference... :lol:

plus he has a better frame. They're about the same in the athleticism department, although I would call Darko a bit quicker (and he trully can run like a deer, considering we are talking about a white 7-footer).


You only make the difference because he's white; there's no appreciable difference in athleticism.

From what I have seen from Darko, he has some very effective post moves and he could be outstanding in that department in a couple of years. Mechanics of his shot are better than Bosh's, as is his range.


I don't see Darko turning into Dirk, so no, his range actually ISN'T better; Bosh hits out to just inside the arc on a regular basis and with good accuracy. Unless you're a three-point shooter, which Darko is not (both of them CAN hit the NBA three but can't do so very often), you don't have more range than Bosh.

And yes, because of his body, Darko has potential down low. No sense touting his moves, though, since Bosh has most of them as well.

Defensively, Darko is beast when it comes to blocks, but he still gets pushed out of the position when he tries to rebound. He also tries too much on that side of the court, trying to block pump fakes and his man-to-man D is still something left to be desired. My point is, Darko DOES have a lot more potential than Bosh, although he (CB) is likely to become a perennial all-star. Perhaps as soon as this year. His destiny is to become a poor man's KG. (Off-off topic - I would take Dwight Howard over these two anytime.)


I would never label Darko a beast with relation to defense; talented shot-blocker as he is, he's still foul-prone in the process and as you said, he gets muscled out for rebounds. His man to man D, as you also said, is suspect.

Based purely on the physical, yes, Darko has more potential than Bosh. Based on the fact that he's already blown two years of his career and that he's only a year younger than Bosh, you've got to start to wonder that if he doesn't get it soon, will he? Of course, I'd be hypocritical in saying he can't while still rooting for Kwame Brown... Heh. And some greats like Hakeem didn't even hit the league until they were 22, and Darko's 20. But you've got to wonder what a two-year benching will do to your confidence.

Will Darko gain the muscle needed to be a post player or will he follow the trend and use his athleticism and shot to be a face-up player? What opportunity will he have to shine and when? Who will he replace? He won't get starter's minutes behind 'sheed and Big Ben, that's for sure. He might not even get reserve minutes behind McDyess. So where's he gonna play, even if Flip Saunders is willing? Behind Tayshaun Prince?

Darko has loads of potential, agreed without reservation but when and how is he going to begin to realize it? Bosh is the best player currently on the Raptors, he's got all the opportunity in the world to realize his potential and it's pretty big-time, not far off from Darko's. It gets back to the whole KG/Duncan argument, really, as far as style of play as it relates to potential.

By me, if Garnett had the talent and coaching Duncan has enjoyed in his career, he'd also have three titles. Duncan is no Shaq, he faces up quite often (his favorite shot is a bank shot from about 10 feet from the left wing, not a back-down finish).

As to your last comment, I would also take a flyer on Howard becoming a good scrorer, yes. He's a better rebounder and defender than both while being younger.
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