Top 10 Defensive players

by **Matt** on Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:27 pm

Garnett not in the top 5 is an absolute crime....dude is a freak defensively

by **j.23** on Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:39 pm

^ t-mac even said that garnett was the toughest defender he's ever had guarding him (individually) .. and coming from t-mac that is something

by **fgrep15** on Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:39 pm

9 - Tracy McGrady

Huh?

9-eric snow
10-nene

Snow is old now, and Nene is Top 10 as a PF, but not overall.

8. Allen Iverson

What?

Plus, Duncan has always had some other shot blocking presence next to him (Robinson and now Nazr).

Nazr is considered a shot blocker?

People, don't overatte Hughes on defense, he's really not that good a man to man defender. He was average, at times good depending on the matchup, sometimes bad, but he was not a great man to man defender at all. He's good at getting steals though, the Wizards matador defense definately starts with him and Arenas.

1) Andrei Kirilenko [I put him over Artest because he can effect team and man to man defense]
2) Ron Artest
3) Tim Duncan
4) Ben Wallace
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Bruce Bowen
7) Shane Battier [he's so underatted defensively it's not even funny, one of the best swingman defenders in the league, and no one notices, but some coaches do give him props]
8) Theo Ratliff [if he could just rebound he would be way up]
9) Marcus Camby
10) Kobe Bryant [at least he should be, not last year though]

HM: Jason Kidd, Earl Watson, Tony Allen, Andre Iguodala, Rasheed Wallace, Kenyon Martin, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Trenton Hassell,
Tayshaun Prince [he's overatted, people need to see how he plays when Ben and/or Sheed aren't there. He can't guard quick SF's, but when Ben and Sheed are there, players don't want to drive, so they shoot, and his 7 foot wingspan holds them down. If they drive they kill him, check Richard Jefferson, Carter in 03-04 when Ben was out, etc..], Baron Davis [when healthy], PJ Brown, James Posey [when healthy], Larry Hughes, Manu Ginobili, Andre Miller.

On the Rise: Marcus Banks, Devin Harris, Emeka Okafor, Mickael Pietrus, Josh Howard.

by **Riot** on Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:40 pm

Kevin Garnett is a stud defensively, which is why he is top 4-5 in the league for sure.

by **Matt** on Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:20 pm

Chris Webber, Grant Hill and KG have all noted that Cliff Robinson is the best defender! (they said this in 2000)

by **fgrep15** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:04 am

Yes, he's great man to man, but he's also a terrible rebounder, which doesn't help his team because when he's on the floor his team also gives up a lot more offensive rebounds. Why do you think Dampier averaged 12 RPG before he got his contract, or Ben 15 RPG in I think 01-02, it's because they were playing next to Cliff "no rebound" Robinson.

I just remembered Elton Brand and Jermaine O'neal, they seem to be a little underatted defensively at times, are both very good ones.

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:22 am

Indy wrote:
RoCkY MaIvIa wrote:9 Theo Ratliff [(Always in the shot blocking list, Led NBA in blocked shots in 2000-01, with a 3.74 bpg average , averaged 3.00 bpg in 1999-2000 (4th in the NBA), he led all of his former teams in block shots also his current team Portland)]

You're kidding right? Theo Ratliff is one of the worst defensive bigmen in the league. Just because you're a shot blocker doesn't at all mean that you're a good defender. He is the easiest guy in the league to post up, he doesn't put a body on you in the post, he just jumps and puts up his hands. Theo is widely considered a TERRIBLE defensive player.

DO YOU EVEN WATCH BASKETBALL? I DON'T THINK YOU DO! YOUR INFO IS NOT CORRECT! I HAVE TO SAY THAT RATLIFF IS ONE OF THE WORST OFFENSIVE CENTERS IN THE LEAGUE BUT DEFENSIVELY HE IS IN THE TOP 5 FOR CENTERS. HE BLOCKS YAO MING 3 WHILE YAO WAS DUNKING AND IT WAS IN ONE GAME IN FEBUARY OR MARCH OF 2004 IN PORTLAND!!!

I'M NOT MAD AT YOU BUT JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT RATLIFF IS TOTALLY INCORRECT!!!

by **Riot** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:20 am

You. Are. A. Retard.

by **Indy** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:18 am

Blazers: If Theo is that good defensively, how come he's only made an all defensive team once- 7 years ago?

by **Drex** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:21 am

HE BLOCKS YAO MING 3 WHILE YAO WAS DUNKING AND IT WAS IN ONE GAME IN FEBUARY OR MARCH OF 2004 IN PORTLAND!!!

OMFG HE BLOCKED YAO MING!!! HE'S THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO BASKETBALL! AND WHAT'S UP WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON!!!

by **gifted** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:31 am

1. Ben Wallace
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Ron Artest
5. Andrei Kirilenko
6. Bruce Bowen
7. Tracy McGrady
8. Theo Ratliff
9. Shawn Marion
10. Trenton Hassell

Honorable Mentions: Marcus Camby, Kobe Bryant, Tayshaun Prince, Manu Ginobili, Rasheed Wallace, Shane Battier, Andrei Iguodala, Josh Howard, Dwyane Wade, and Kirk Hinrich.

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:25 am

Riot, Indy, Drexz = you calling me a retard????? you guys are either 10 years old or have no knowledge of basketball!
THEO WAS THE ON THE 2ND DEFENSIVE TEAM 2 YEARS AGO
BEN WALLACE WAS IN THE FIRST TEAM SO RATLIFF HAD TO BE IN THE SECOND TEAM!

even giftedvisionz mentioned theo at his 8th best defensive player.

not to mention that he was injured 4 years ago and still he is not recovered. thats why he missed a lot of game last year and didn't play good.

am i still a retard???

or you guys are just illiterate and have not much knowledge of the game!

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:40 am

Drex wrote:
HE BLOCKS YAO MING 3 WHILE YAO WAS DUNKING AND IT WAS IN ONE GAME IN FEBUARY OR MARCH OF 2004 IN PORTLAND!!!

OMFG HE BLOCKED YAO MING!!! HE'S THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO BASKETBALL! AND WHAT'S UP WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON!!!

O MY OH MY! SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT AINT IT

i don't mean ratliff is the best or anything, but you have to give him some credits. he played really good two years ago but last year he wasn't the same person. i know injury has something to do with that too. if you live in portland you would know that ratliff mentioned that "HE IS REALLY FRUSTRATED BY HIS TEAMMATES NOT PLAYING "D", SO HE HAS TO COVER UP FOR THEM." specificly zach randolph!

by **fgrep15** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:42 am

Indy wrote:Blazers: If Theo is that good defensively, how come he's only made an all defensive team once- 7 years ago?

It's mostly b/c #1) He's not a big name #2) He's been on bad teams, and #3) He get's injured a lot.

Theo Ratliff is a great weak-side defender, a good man to man defender, but his defensive weakness comes in his rebounding ability.

by **Riot** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:45 am

I must be 10 years old? You are the one who types like a 10 year old drama queen.

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:52 am

fgrep15 wrote:
Indy wrote:Blazers: If Theo is that good defensively, how come he's only made an all defensive team once- 7 years ago?

It's mostly b/c #1) He's not a big name #2) He's been on bad teams, and #3) He get's injured a lot.

Theo Ratliff is a great weak-side defender, a good man to man defender, but his defensive weakness comes in his rebounding ability.

i coudn't agree with you more on that!

by **fgrep15** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:07 am

About his All-Defensive selections

03-04 - All-Defensive 2nd team center
02-03 - Lost to Shaq and Ben, but was the 3rd center in All-Defensive selections, 1 1st team vote, and 6 second
01-02 - Played 3 games
00-01 - Only played 50 of 82 games, and was the 4th center after Mutombo, Shaq, and David Robinson, 2 first team votes, and 5 second team
99-00 - Only played 57 of 82 games, 3 first team votes as a F, 3 second team votes
98-99 - Played all 50 games, NBA Defensive 2nd team as a F, beat by Pippen, Malone and Duncan for first team, and PJ Brown had one more point

Before this, he wasn't really known for much yet, so he wasn't getting votes. You can see that the both years he was healthy, he made the 2nd team, and in the partially healthy years, he got a good amount of votes. When you're a C, their's 2 spots for All-Defensive teams, and as a F, 4 spots. In the 2 years as a center, he was basically rated the 3rd and 4th best defensive center by the coaches, and one year he missed 25 games. As a forward in 99-00, he got 3 first and second team votes against Duncan, KG, Pippen, and Cliff. He was also beat by Malone and PJ Brown, that's not a dissapointment by any means considering he missed 32 games.

Basically every year he was rated as one of the best defensive big men by the coaches who are the one that pick All-Defensive team players. (Y)

by **Drex** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:35 am

Riot, Indy, Drexz = you calling me a retard?????

Where did I call you retarded? You probably just realized that and you're bringing that up.

you guys are either 10 years old or have no knowledge of basketball!

Pff, just take a look at your post:
"DO YOU EVEN WATCH BASKETBALL? I DON'T THINK YOU DO! YOUR INFO IS NOT CORRECT! I HAVE TO SAY THAT RATLIFF IS ONE OF THE WORST OFFENSIVE CENTERS IN THE LEAGUE BUT DEFENSIVELY HE IS IN THE TOP 5 FOR CENTERS. HE BLOCKS YAO MING 3 WHILE YAO WAS DUNKING AND IT WAS IN ONE GAME IN FEBUARY OR MARCH OF 2004 IN PORTLAND!!!

I'M NOT MAD AT YOU BUT JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT RATLIFF IS TOTALLY INCORRECT!!!"

He blocks Yao Ming 3 times while dunking?? Does that make him a SUPER PLAYER?

Just that you won't bitch again, I really respect Ratliff, he's a great shotblocker for someone of his size, and a great defender, too.

by **Indy** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:06 pm

Blazers wrote:Riot, Indy, Drexz = you calling me a retard?????

I'm pretty sure I didn't call you a retard... but ok.

fgrep15 wrote:Great weak side defender

Yes, he's a good weak side defender, but he's awful at defending the strong side. One of the reasons is because he gambles far too much to try and block shots. He leaves his man to try and block shots, and he's not nearly strong enough to defend downlow. I'd rather have a guy like Reggie Evans then Theo Ratliff any day.

by **fgrep15** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:45 pm

Reggie Evans? Evans can't block shots, and while decently strong is undersized at 6'8 [though with a 7'2] against most PF's. He's an average man to man defender, but he does take pride and put a lot of effort into the area, and he's a great rebounder, he's not really any better than Ratliff. They both give different things, Ratliff can change games with his shot blocking, while Evans with his rebounding.

In the end, who you'd rather have does not make Theo a lesser defender. He's a good one, not just because he block shots, but because he's also good man to man, even the coaches recognize that.

by **Indy** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:52 pm

fgrep15 wrote:Reggie Evans? Evans can't block shots, and while decently strong is undersized at 6'8 [though with a 7'2] against most PF's. He's an average man to man defender, but he does take pride and put a lot of effort into the area, and he's a great rebounder, he's not really any better than Ratliff. They both give different things, Ratliff can change games with his shot blocking, while Evans with his rebounding.

In the end, who you'd rather have does not make Theo a lesser defender. He's a good one, not just because he block shots, but because he's also good man to man, even the coaches recognize that.

That's an analysis that I can agree with more. I still think he's nowhere near being a top 10 defender.

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:53 pm

indy, i was trying to make a point and i brought up some good facts and fgrep15 proved it.
i don't know who said i was a retard, but i meant he had no idea about what theo ratliff did in the past few years and he just didn't prove anything.

you just can't say things about a player just because you don't like or care about him. i respect everyone's opinion but i don't like when people just call you "a retard" base on nothing.

i just wanted to say that ratliff is a good defensive player. thats all and the facts proves it too.

lets just get over this. its not a big thing, but its just ratliff is one of my favorite player.

by **Blazers** on Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:04 pm

just want to say a few words to: Riot, Indy, Drexz
who cares if ratliff is top 10 defensive player. ratliff makes $13 millions each year and we are arguing about him? by the way, sorry if i did start the arguing. i just realized there is no point of arguing about something not important at all.

by **Indy** on Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:00 am

You're a retard.

by **EGarrett** on Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:05 pm

I think people are forgetting Kenyon Martin. He can guard wingmen and post-up players. He shuts Antoine Walker down effortlessly.

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