Nets pull trade offer for Abdur-Rahim, get Jackson

[Buckley]

http://www1.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36953/20050809/nets_rescind_trade_offer_for_abdur_rahim/
http://www1.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36954/20050809/nets_acquire_marc_jackson_for_2nd_round_pick_and_cash/

The nets still got something, but no Shareef. Instead they get Marc Jackson from us.

I think this trade sucks ass for Philly. The one thing we need is a backup forward and what does Billy King do? Trades our best one away. I dont know if this means Rodney Rogers will be resigned or if Shavlik Randolph and Deng Gai are going to get PT.

Now we really have to go after some backup big man(Steven Hunter) or else that half-ass player Mike Bradley will backup Dalembert.


Your thoughts?

[Ty-Land]

wow, didn't really think that SAR would not be signed! I wonder who will now go after him. I mean the bucks made a run at him earlier in the off season I believe, and he would be a good fit there. The Marc Jackson signing was a good one in the circumstances for the nets. The games I watched last year of the sixers he showed a quite a fair bit of agression and strength on the boards and some nice skill on offence.

[cyanide]

He's no Reef, but at least the Nets have a big guy that can provide decent work down low. Let's hope Marc doesn't start pouting, but still, it's a blow for the Nets to lose a guy like SAR. Better than nothing, I guess.

[Drex]

Oh, crap...Go Philly...

[fgrep15]

Okay, so Marc Jackson is an inferior offensive player, inferior in athletic ability, inferior defender, and an inferior rebounder. He's also not been the most healthy player throughout his career, though I don't think he's had anything serious, but tell me again how this is good?

I don't really like it, he doesn't really fit into their team well IMO. They needed either a defensive/rebounding PF, or a guy who was just good, Jackson is mediocre, and almost a non-factor on defense.

[[L3]1101]

i don't think Marc Jackson likes running.... and the Nets love fast breaks.

[NNpF]

First he dismantles a near-championship team by getting rid of Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Lucious Harris and Rodney Rogers...

Then he makes up for that by acquiring Vince Carter.

Then he passes on Hakim Warrick in the draft...

And now, he has a chance to get Shareef Abdur-Rahim for next to nothing, and he passes that up to acquire Marc Jackson.

Now, maybe Jackson will be a good fit, I don't know. This way the Nets offense can revolve around their gaurds and they will have a big guy who played pretty well last season and doesn't need to have plays run for him.

Krstic may or may not develop into the low post scorer the Nets need, but I'd rather not take that chance and just take Abdur-Rahim who is already a proven scorer.

I'm starting to think we need a new GM...We got ourselves a mini-Babcock assembling a team.

Unless like I said, Jackson could be a good fit...and I pray that this move works out for the better.

[kinokong]

I'm starting to think we need a new GM...We got ourselves a mini-Babcock assembling a team.

please don't even start talking about babcock... no way rod thorn should be compared in the same league as him... this is the guy who engineered marbs for kidd... didn't sign kenyon martin to a ridiculous 90mil contract... and got a rejuvenated vc for players that didn't even suit up for toronto. sure hes made some bad moves such as overpaying rj but think about it. if nj had resigned kmart they would have little cap flexibility right now and little chances to upgrade this team to win the title. but by not signing kmart they gave themselves a chance to upgrade the team without breaking the bank but shareefs arthritic knee is something out of their control. and shareef isn't too young so his knee will get worse as he progresses through his career. the nets don't want to be stuck with a player with great skills but can't play because of his health so they go for a less productive, cheaper, and safer choice

[Ty-Land]

I think its hard to blame Thorn. I think that the Nets really wanted Reef, but there must have been enough concern regarding his injury to rescind the trade. It must not been worth the risk according to the nets management and the advice they recieved from the medical staff that viewed the scans of Reefs knees.

[NNpF]

I'm starting to think we need a new GM...We got ourselves a mini-Babcock assembling a team.

please don't even start talking about babcock... no way rod thorn should be compared in the same league as him... this is the guy who engineered marbs for kidd... didn't sign kenyon martin to a ridiculous 90mil contract... and got a rejuvenated vc for players that didn't even suit up for toronto. sure hes made some bad moves such as overpaying rj but think about it. if nj had resigned kmart they would have little cap flexibility right now and little chances to upgrade this team to win the title. but by not signing kmart they gave themselves a chance to upgrade the team without breaking the bank but shareefs arthritic knee is something out of their control. and shareef isn't too young so his knee will get worse as he progresses through his career. the nets don't want to be stuck with a player with great skills but can't play because of his health so they go for a less productive, cheaper, and safer choice

That was supossed to be a joke, but I guess without a "smiley" there it's hard to tell. But you made a lot of good points.

I don't really think Thorn is a bad GM, although he has made some moves that frustrated me.

I'll remember to make sure I'm joking more clearly next time.

[[L3]1101]

let's not make fun of Babcock either, he's a great human being......

[End Boss]

Bruce Ratner was responsible for the cost cutting of last off season, not Rod Thorn

[nikkolas]

I think Philly have something on their mind maybe they want to rebuild the team with younger players..dont be surprise if C-Webb wil be traded this season..Coz I dont think AI can win a championship in Philly maybe in the west..Philly is getting weaker and weaker every season instead of getting stronger..AI must be traded thats it..

[Fenix]

Bad. bad decision. They should get both of them, but now they're fucked. There's no more good PFs out there and Nets won't win without one of them. What a team could that've been.

Krstic/Collins
'Reef/Jackson
Jefferson/Wright
Carter/Wright/McInnis
Kidd/McInnis

That would easily be the most well-balanced team out there (Pistons lack bench).

[nikkolas]

remove Shareef he will never be a Net..yah the decision of Philly was really surprising..Pistons wont win this time theyre happy if they get into second round as for Philly,ryt now scout for their next rookie draft coz theyl never go into th playoffs....AI cant win by himself even Mike cant do that..Dont be surprise if AI will average 34++++ pt per game...Thats rheir only option in terms of scoring is concern get all of my point baby...Dude..

[Fenix]

remove Shareef he will never be a Net..yah the decision of Philly was really surprising..Pistons wont win this time theyre happy if they get into second round as for Philly,ryt now scout for their next rookie draft coz theyl never go into th playoffs....AI cant win by himself even Mike cant do that..Dont be surprise if AI will average 34++++ pt per game...Thats rheir only option in terms of scoring is concern get all of my point baby...Dude..

What about Webber (if he gets healthy) and improving youngsters (Korver and even Iguodala)? Even Sam-I-Am is a 20 point threat.

[nikkolas]

Webber is too slow,he just wants to pull a jump shots he is aging man even he is healthy..Korver is promising yeah his great and Iguodala?well he got skillz but Philly lack size they need 4 and 5 positions plus bench ryt now they dont have that...Oh theyre coach common gv them a decent coach....

[Fenix]

Webber is too slow,he just wants to pull a jump shots he is aging man even he is healthy..Korver is promising yeah his great and Iguodala?well he got skillz but Philly lack size they need 4 and 5 positions plus bench ryt now they dont have that...Oh theyre coach common gv them a decent coach....

What the fuck?

[J@3]

Webber is too slow,he just wants to pull a jump shots he is aging man even he is healthy..Korver is promising yeah his great and Iguodala?well he got skillz but Philly lack size they need 4 and 5 positions plus bench ryt now they dont have that...Oh theyre coach common gv them a decent coach....

What the fuck?

http://www.nbaliveforums.com/sutra357791.php#357791

[Dramacydal]

damn, this trade sucks. how could they give away Jackson for nothing? he was they only decent big man on the bench and he was able to do a good job as a starter in case Sam or Webber get injured.

[Kemp]

Nets got Marc Jackson which is a nice addition but he is too big to start PF, he suit better as a C. Rahim, he is fustrated now, he failed the physical test. Now, the Nets are worry about Rahim, will they get him in the trade with Blazers. This is still remain a question.

[End Boss]

the idea that the nets would pull out of a trade for SAR involving a TE to use it on marc jackson and then do a sign and trade with a player to the equal value of a SAR contract in the first year is totally ridiculous..

if they were going to get sheef they would have brought him across with the TE... either the nets wanted their pick back to use as a part of a major trade, sheef's knees were in such bad condition that he's due for a massive injury, or they're just fucking crazy..

the nets have a small window to make a championship push with kidd right now.. it's too late in the day to move him and it's too early to start rebuilding given the talent in the nets starting roster..

this off season is crunch time in terms of the short term future.. rebuilding after kidd is inevitable

[Andrew]

Marc Jackson isn't such a bad aquisition, but at the expense of the Shareef trade? Considering what the Nets were giving up and the fact Shareef's knees haven't caused him much grief throughout his career despite the concerns, this really was a great opportunity squandered.