Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:53 pm
In other words you have nothing.
Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:59 pm
Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:55 am
bangyounh wrote:Why would the NBA stop creating some dominant players, but create others?
It's simple.
The Fans.
Fans like guards much more than big men.
This is why they made rules to stop Shaq.
This is why they made rules to stop Wilt.
This is why they didn't make rules to stop Jordan.
Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:01 am
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Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:03 am
Matthew wrote:You think Wilt would be able to dominate against Duncan, Shaq, Amare, Yao, Ben Wallace? Remember, Wilt had his problems against the likes of Russel (6'9), Willis Reed (6'10). When matched up against Kareem, he was virtually helpless. Expect the same against Shaq, Duncan and even a motivated KG and Jermaine O'neal.
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:14 am
lol, you bastard. You had to add that
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:42 am
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:46 am
If you dream of mushroom soup instead of steak and donairs
Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:43 pm
Sauru wrote:i just want to point out, that any center, today or yesteryear, would have trouble against russel. the guy was one of the smartest men to ever step onto a basketball court. the guy also never quit. do you really believe a lazy bastard like oneal would dominate russell?
Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:03 am
i have talked about this before also. i feel that players can grow too tall for the nba. yao is too tall. i always believed that 7'1" or 7'2" was the max height you want a player.
Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:10 am
try lowering your basketball hoop if you have one at home to like 9 feet or 8 and a half feet or something like that. that's pretty much how yao plays.. its harder ifyou have to hit jumpshots, etc.
Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:16 am
Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:08 pm
bangyounh wrote:Why would the NBA stop creating some dominant players, but create others?
It's simple.
The Fans.
Fans like guards much more than big men.
This is why they made rules to stop Shaq.
This is why they made rules to stop Wilt.
This is why they didn't make rules to stop Jordan.
Plus the NBA was in a different situation back then. The NBA was struggling when Jordan came into the league, so that's why they put rules to make Jordan better. Jordan was a marketing machine, but Wilt Chamberlain wasn't. In fact it was the opposite for Wilt. If I remember correctly, Wilt Chamberlain's comments were often critical of the league, which is why they wouldn't want him dominant. The dominant player represents the league. However, Jordan was a perfect player to model the league after.
I still think Jordan is better, but the argument that they made rules to stop Wilt but also made rules to make Jordan better IS valid.
Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:27 pm
Sauru wrote:i just want to point out, that any center, today or yesteryear, would have trouble against russel. the guy was one of the smartest men to ever step onto a basketball court. the guy also never quit. do you really believe a lazy bastard like oneal would dominate russell?
Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:00 pm
"The Stilt is most effective simply because of his physical qualities. He stands 7-feet in his sweat socks*. Over this frame are spread 225 sinewy pounds. He is almost as agile as a 5-11 playmaker. He can jump 24 inches straight up."
"Playing every minute of the game, Chamberlain hit on 16-of-35 shots from the field for a percentage of .460 and added 10-of-13 free-throw attempts. He scored four of his goals on two-handed dunks, lifting his elbows as high as the rim. He sideboarded home three more when teammates appeared to fire short or wide. The rest he leveled from ranges of point blank to 15 feet. And he found time to harvest 29 rebounds and block four enemy tries almost before they could clear the fingers of the shooters."
Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:32 pm
D-Weaver 99027 wrote:But with Jordan and Chamberlin, MJ helped his team by scoring points. Wilt didn't and often disappeared in the most critical of moments.
Once again, if MJ was brutalized in the paint, elbowed, pushed, and having rules changed AGAINST him rather than FAVORING him, then I sincerely doubt MJ's numbers in the latter stage of his carreer would be anything like near 30ppg and such, not to mention the rings he wouldn't be able to win.
Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:36 pm
air gordon wrote:Sauru wrote:i just want to point out, that any center, today or yesteryear, would have trouble against russel. the guy was one of the smartest men to ever step onto a basketball court. the guy also never quit. do you really believe a lazy bastard like oneal would dominate russell?
is this really true? would russell truly shut down anyone that came across his path?
is russell that much of a better defender then any great defensive player?
today, players/coaches have scouting reports, game tapes, etc to prepare for great scorers. yet opposing players still score relatively around their average
i've seen supposedly the game's current best defensive player, ben wallace, get scored on consistently by out of all people al harrington
or dennis rodman still allow karl malone to get close to his averages.
bryant dropping 30 on bowen
and so forth.
sorry, i'm not convinced
Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:31 pm
Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:27 pm
What I found particulary interesting are the stats. Look at his site at the BasketballReference ( http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bwi01.html). He set a FG% in his last season with .727 percentage. That just proves how dominant he still was on the offensive end at the age of 36.
Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:08 pm
what ever you threw at him he over came it. 6 trips to the finals, 6 wins, 6 mvps. wtf else do you want
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:08 am
Sauru wrote:ok think about this. why was rodman such a good rebounder? he was smarter than anyone else out there and he would flat out out hustle them for it. he did this in the time of all the tapes and stuff you have mentioned. now take that heart, that passion, that knowledge and put it into the greatest winner of all time. take that and put it into a 6-10 frame.
now i wont sit here and say he would hold shaq to 2 ppg. that would just be stupid. but to say that russell would struggle vs todays centers is just as dumb, infact its more so. i am 100% positive that he would hold every center in the game today under thier average.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:22 am
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:24 am
Had Michael Jordan played in the 60's he would have averaged 50 ppg as well.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:46 am
beau_boy04 wrote:Had Michael Jordan played in the 60's he would have averaged 50 ppg as well.
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:24 am